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A Call To Arms - WoD Mechanics Testing

theckhd
Tue Jun 10, 2014 6:20 pm

A Call To Arms - WoD Mechanics Testing

Accurate modeling is predicated on having solid data. Just as we did in Cataclysm, we'll need to test various aspects of our mechanics in order to ensure the models give us the best possible predictions.

The goal of this thread will be to ask and answer questions about game mechanics through empirical testing, in a very similar vein to the incredibly useful EJ threads of expansions past. I'll keep a running list of the current parse requests, issues, and links to the data relevant to those issues.

When posting data, please include as much information as is relevant to the problem at hand. Most requests will ask for the specific information needed, but more never hurts. As a rule of thumb, try to include the following information:

  • Game build # (i.e. 6.0.1.18322)
  • AP or SP
  • Weapon information - a link, or give me the name, tooltip damage, and speed.
  • Glyphs
  • character level - and any applicable Draenor perks you have if not yet 100
  • raid dummy level
  • Versatility Rating
  • Stamina - if protection, for Resolve

Many of these tests need to be done in very controlled environments to make sure that the analysis is accurate. It's generally good practice to find an isolated dummy and make sure they don't gain any external debuffs during testing (unless we specifically request a particular debuff, of course).

If you have questions about World of Logs or WCL, please take a look at the "WoL/WCL How-To" section below. If all else fails, uploading a raw combat log with your post is acceptable as well.
theckhd
Tue Jun 10, 2014 6:20 pm
Parse Requests

NOTE: If a test requests a combat log, please make sure Advanced Combat Logging is enabled.

Test #11: Shining Protector Proc Madness
On hold until we get a new build (18379 tested)
  • Level: 90+
  • Gear: Any, but use the Frostfire Ridge shamanstone buff that gives you 100% multistrike procs
  • Seal: Truth/Insight
  • Spec: Prot
  • Attack Sequence: With SoT active, cast Flash of Light on yourself as many times as possible while the multistrike proc is active. Repeat with SoI active.
  • Report: Upload log.

Test #14: T17 Prot bonuses
  • Gear: T17 4-piece
  • Spec: Prot
  • Attack Sequence: Have a caster friend duel you. Let them melee you until your T17 4-piece activates. When it does, cast Avenger's Shield to activate your 2-piece bonus and have them continue meleeing through the effect.
    Repeat this process a second time, but have them immediately spam instant cast spells on you during the proc effect instead.
  • Report: Upload log. Report character sheet block chance with and without the 2-piece effect.
theckhd
Tue Jun 10, 2014 6:20 pm
Test Log: Current and Resolved Issues:


  1. [6.0.2.18816] Verifying Ability Mechanics SotR, Cons, AS, HW, J, Censure, SoT, Melee, CS HotR, SoI, FoL, SoR, EF, LH, HPr all working properly. Execution Sentence tooltip lies.
  2. [6.0.1.18505] Empowered Seals - SoR gives 30% attack speed; Uther's Insight benefits from SoI, cannot crit, can MS, Affected by Resolve, Versatility^2 (probably bug); Maraad's 15% AP is multiplicative w/ mastery, raid buff;
  3. [6.0.2.18764] Seal of Insight - Affects SoI, FoL, EF, LH, HPr. Does not affect SS. Consistent with spell data change (5% bonus to all healing, rather than spell-specific).
  4. [6.0.1.18716] Seal of Truth/Censure - Tooltips accurate, SoT uses un-normalized weapon damage, both can crit.
  5. [6.0.1.18505] Sword of Light - Affects FoL/EF/WoG as advertised, does not affect Harsh Words
  6. [6.0.2.18833] Sacred Shield - Prot: (0+1.3059954410*SP), Ret: (1+1.3059954410/0.7*SP), Holy: (0+0.9946876987*SP);, versatility/resolve multiplicative.
  7. [6.x.x.xxxxx] Seraphim + Divine Purpose - Seraphim can't consume Divine Purpose.
  8. [6.0.1.18505] Seraphim - 30% rating multiplier, multiplicative with attunements
  9. [6.0.1.18505] Attack Power Mutlipliers - All Multiplicative, total_ap = AP_from_str * (1 + mastery%) * (1 + maraad_buff%) * (1 + raid_buff_%)
  10. [6.0.1.18379] Shining Protector - Doesn't double dip on anything
  11. [6.x.x.xxxxx] Shining Protector Proc Madness
  12. [6.0.1.18471] Holy Shield Absorb Order - Last in OoO, effectiveness reduced by other absorbs
  13. [6.0.2.18833] Sacred Shield Multistrike Interaction - SS makes 3 independent rolls (crit, ms1, ms2) using character sheet values).
  14. [6.x.x.xxxxx] T17 Prot bonuses
  15. [6.0.2.18833] Seal of Insight Proc Rate - 20PPM
theckhd
Tue Jun 10, 2014 6:21 pm

Re: A Call To Arms - WoD Mechanics Testing

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theckhd
Tue Jun 10, 2014 6:21 pm
Compiled Results on specific topics
Many of the details of spells can be extracted from game files (ala SimC). This area is for me to keep detailed notes on each ability. As things change I'll try to keep it updated based on that data, sort of like a quick-reference for all of our mechanics.

Note that as of right now I haven't updated any of the numbers, so they're probably all wrong.

Seal Mechanics

  • Seal of Insight
    • 0.15*(AP+SP) NYV
    • 20 PPM (not haste normalized)NYV
    • Triggers: NYV
    • Not Triggers: NYV
  • Seal of Truth
    • 12% un-normalized weapon damage (test #4, tooltip accurate)
    • Automatically connects, 100% proc rate
    • May crit/ms
    • Triggers: CS, SotR, J, melee
  • Seal of Righteousness
    • 9% normalized weapon damage NYV
    • Automatically hits all targets in area of effect
    • Triggers: CS, SotR, J, meleeNYV

Ability Mechanics

  • Crusader Strike
    • Melee type (miss/dodge/parry)
    • does 125% normalized weapon damage + 791. NYV
  • Hammer of the Righteous
    • Physical is melee type (miss/dodge/parry)
    • Physical does 20% normalied weapon damage
    • HammerNova automatically connects on all other targets if HammerPhys hits NYV
    • HammerNova does 35% normalized weapon damage
  • Shield of the Righteous
    • Melee type (miss/dodge/parry)
    • Does 836+0.617*AP damage
    • Not on GCD
  • Judgment
    • Melee type, but cannot be dodged/parried
    • Does 623+0.328*AP+0.546*SP.
    • Only procs Seal of Truth NYV
  • Hammer of Wrath
    • Ranged type (melee miss/dodge, cannot be parried)
    • does 1838+1.610*SP
  • Avenger's Shield
    • Spell type (spell miss)
    • does 4488+0.21*SP+0.545*AP.
  • Consecration
    • Spell type (spell miss)
    • does 924.3+1.62*SP.
    • Uses standard DoT refresh mechanics NYV
  • Holy Wrath
    • Spell type (spell miss)
    • does 4300+0.91*SP.
  • Censure
    • Application is melee type (dodge/parry observed)
    • Damage is melee type, uses melee crit
    • Tooltip formula accurate (0.061776*SP per stack per tick)
  • Light's Hammer
    • Spell type (spell miss per tick)
    • Does 3630+0.321*SP damage and 2512+0.222 healing per tick (7 ticks)
  • Holy Prism
    • Spell type, but does not miss
    • does 16136+1.428*SP damage/healing to target, 10882+0.962*SP healing/damage in AoE
  • Execution Sentence
    • Spell type, (spell miss on cast)
    • does 12989+5.936*SP total
  • Sacred Shield
theckhd
Tue Jun 10, 2014 6:22 pm
WoL/WCL How-To

I've started guilds on both Warcraft Logs and World of Logs for uploading beta test logs. I prefer Warcraft Logs for a number of reasons, one of which is because you can be a member of multiple guilds, so you can just use your existing WCL account (if you don't already have one, you should!). Anyone who's running dungeons or doing testing on beta is encouraged to record their combat log and upload.

Creating a Warcraft Logs account is very simple. Just go to http://www.warcraftlogs.com/ and click on the "Sign Up" button. Once you've logged in, you can click on the link below to automatically join the guild (Beta Testing Logs on Tichondrius, your actual region and server are irrelevant):

http://www.warcraftlogs.com/guilds/autojoin/10951/fajxh632

Once you've done that, just download the WCL client and you're set to go; you'll automatically have upload access.

Logging is easy:
WWS wrote:Start World of Warcraft and enter the game. At the beginning of the raid, dungeon or solo testing session you want to create a report for, type /combatlog into the chat box, you should get a response saying "Combat being logged to Logs/WoWCombatlog.txt". When you're done with the raid, dungeon or solo testing session type /combatlog again. You'll get another response saying "Combat logging disabled". Log out of WoW and your combat log should be in the /World of Warcraft/Logs/ folder.


To upload, just run the client and browse to the /World of Warcraft/Logs/ folder and choose the WoWCombatlog.txt file. The client will do the rest.

Alternatively, you can upload-as-you-go by running the client before you record and clicking "Start a Live Logging Session." This will watch the combat log as you play and upload to the server in small chunks whenever there's a break in the action.

If you insist on using World of Logs, the instructions in last expansion's WoL How-To should still work.
theckhd
Tue Jun 10, 2014 6:22 pm
Request History

Test #1: Verifying ability mechanics (damage/healing, multistrike, proc triggers, etc.)
This is a catch-all that should let me verify multiple things at once. Once we have a few logs to analyze, I'll add extra requests focused on whatever questions this doesn't answer.
  • Level: 100
  • Gear: multiple combinations, no dynamic procs that affect damage (i.e. no weapon enchant, no trinkets w/ Str/AP procs). High MS will help
  • Target: level 103 dummy, no external debuffs
  • Attack Sequence: Normal rotation, hit it (or yourself, for heals) with everything you have (CS, HotR, J, AS, HW, Cons, L90 talents, SotR, WoG, EF, SS, FoL, etc.).
  • Seal: all (swap between to get ~100 procs of each)
  • Goal: Around 100 casts of each ability
  • Report: upload log, note total AP and char sheet weapon damage, specify talents/glyphs used

Test #2: Empowered Seals
  • Level: 100
  • Gear: any, again no dynamic procs
  • Target: any
  • Attack Sequence: J, cast next seal, repeat (cycle between all seals)
  • Goal: Around 5 minutes of seal twisting
  • Report: upload log, note char sheet AP, haste, weapon damage (without any of the Emp Seal buffs active)

Test #3: Seal of Insight
  • Level: any
  • Gear: any, again no dynamic procs
  • Target: any
  • Attack Sequence: auto-attack, cast heals on self
  • Goal: cast every heal in our arsenal on ourselves about 100 times. This includes talents (LH, HPr, ES, EF, FoL), potions, healthstones (if available), and any set bonuses you have available.
  • Report: upload log, note char sheet AP, haste, and any set bonuses or other effects I should look for in the log.

Test #4: Seal of Truth
  • Level: any
  • Gear: any, no dynamic procs
  • Weapon: Tomahawk, Brunnhildar Axe
  • Target: any
  • Attack Sequence: auto-attack with SoT active
  • Goal: about 500 Seal of Truth (not Censure) procs with each weapon, preferably in separate logs
  • Report: upload logs, note char sheet AP (shouldn't change between weapons)

Test #5: Sword of Light (Ret)
  • Level: any
  • Gear: any, no dynamic procs
  • Spec: Ret
  • Target: yourself
  • Attack Sequence: Cast 100 each of Eternal Flame and Flash of Light on yourself. Then switch to Harsh Words and cast 20-30 of those on a dummy. Use any/all HP generators as needed, obviously, 1-HP EF is fine for this.
  • Report: upload log, note char sheet AP

Test #6: Sacred Shield
  • Level: any
  • Gear: any, no dynamic procs, use a 1h+shield
  • Spec: All 3
  • Target: yourself
  • Attack Sequence: Cast Sacred Shield on yourself once in each spec, noting the size of the absorb bubble granted. For bonus points, duel a friend and have them attack you while you do this (so the shields are consumed in the combat log)
  • Report: upload log, note absorb bubble size in each spec and AP value in each spec.

Test #7: Seraphim & Divine Purpose
  • Level: 100
  • Gear: 4T16 Ret
  • Spec: Ret
  • Talents: Divine Purpose, Seraphim
  • Attack Sequence: Build HP, using Seraphim on cooldown. No other finishers. Continue for 100 Seraphim casts or until you see one each of Divine Purpose and 4T16 ("Divine Crusader") procs from Seraphim.
  • Report: upload log

Test #8: Seraphim
  • Level: 100
  • Gear: any
  • Spec: Any
  • Talents: Seraphim
  • Attack Sequence: build HP and cast Seraphim.
  • Report: Haste, Crit, Mastery, Multistrike, Versatility, Bonus Armor with and without Seraphim buff active.

Test #9: Attack Power Multipliers
  • Level: 100
  • Gear: any
  • Seal: Truth
  • Spec: none/Prot
  • Talents: Empowered Seals
  • Attack Sequence: None. While not specced, record character sheet AP. Then spec prot and note character sheet AP and mastery%. Then cast Judgment on a dummy to get the Maraad's Truth buff, and record character sheet AP.
  • Report: All of the values mentioned above

Test #10: Shining Protector Ratio
  • Level: 90+
  • Gear: Any, with some multistrike
  • Seal: Truth/Insight
  • Spec: Prot
  • Attack Sequence: With SoT active, cast Flash of Light on yourself until you get a Shining Protector proc. Repeat with SoI active.
  • Report: Resolve, Amounts of FoL and Shining Protector in each scenario.

Test #11: Shining Protector Proc Madness
On hold until we get a new build (18379 tested)
  • Level: 90+
  • Gear: Any, but use the Frostfire Ridge shamanstone buff that gives you 100% multistrike procs
  • Seal: Truth/Insight
  • Spec: Prot
  • Attack Sequence: With SoT active, cast Flash of Light on yourself as many times as possible while the multistrike proc is active. Repeat with SoI active.
  • Report: Upload log.

Test #12: Holy Shield Absorb Order
  • Level: 100
  • Gear: Any, preferably high mastery (block chance)
  • Seal: Any
  • Talents: Sacred Shield, Holy Shield
  • Attack Sequence: Find a warlock friend to duel. Keep Sacred Shield up, and have them keep Agony & Corruption on you. Record a few minutes of combat this way. Repeat with and without Holy Shield talent active.
  • Report: Upload log.

Test #13: Sacred Shield Multistrike Interaction
  • Level: 90+
  • Gear: Any, but with a fair (and constant) amount of multistrike, something in the 20-40% range would be good.
  • Seal: None
  • Spec: Prot
  • Attack Sequence: Refresh Sacred Shield over and over and over and over... Goal is about 300-500 ticks, so 30-50 minutes worth.
  • Report: Upload log. Report character sheet multistrike and crit %.

Test #14: T17 Prot bonuses
  • Gear: T17 4-piece
  • Spec: Prot
  • Attack Sequence: Have a caster friend duel you. Let them melee you until your T17 4-piece activates. When it does, cast Avenger's Shield to activate your 2-piece bonus and have them continue meleeing through the effect.
    Repeat this process a second time, but have them immediately spam instant cast spells on you during the proc effect instead.
  • Report: Upload log. Report character sheet block chance with and without the 2-piece effect.

Test #15: Seal of Insight proc rate
  • Gear: any, but no dynamic haste effects
  • Spec: Prot
  • Attack sequence: turn on Seal of Insight, and auto-attack a dummy for about an hour.
  • Report: Upload log, Report weapon speed (both on the weapon and on the char sheet).
theckhd
Tue Jun 10, 2014 6:22 pm

Re: A Call To Arms - WoD Mechanics Testing

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theckhd
Tue Jun 10, 2014 6:53 pm

Re: A Call To Arms - WoD Mechanics Testing

Thread is open (I guess), but there's noting to talk about until I get time to write up the list of tests.
Klaudandus
Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:25 pm

Re: A Call To Arms - WoD Mechanics Testing

*taps fingers on desk* I got so much free time these weekends but cannot do any logs cuz blizz hates me/got shitty luck.
Kerriodos
Sun Jun 15, 2014 7:47 pm

Re: A Call To Arms - WoD Mechanics Testing

Test #10 Shining Protector Double-Dipping
Build 18379
1453 AP & SP
Level 92
1670 Stamina
Resolve 5% (0 damage taken)

This is with the 100% Multistrike proc buff applied by the Garrison Shamanstone; every FoL cast will trigger both Multistrike chances as MS is over 100%.

Seal of Truth:

22:39:52> Your Shining Protector healed You 0 Holy. (900 Overhealed)
22:39:52> Your Flash of Light healed You 0 Holy. (3002 Overhealed)
22:39:52> Your Flash of Light healed You 0 Holy. (866 Overhealed) (Multistrike)
22:39:52> Your Flash of Light healed You 0 Holy. (845 Overhealed) (Multistrike)

Seal of Insight:

22:39:56> Your Shining Protector healed You 0 Holy. (942 Overhealed)
22:39:56> Your Shining Protector healed You 0 Holy. (942 Overhealed)
22:39:56>Your Flash of Light healed You 0 Holy. (3140 Overhealed)
22:39:56>Your Flash of Light healed You 0 Holy. (961 Overhealed) (Multistrike)
22:39:56>Your Shining Protector healed You 0 Holy. (291 Overhealed)
22:39:56>Your Shining Protector healed You 0 Holy. (291 Overhealed)
22:39:56>Your Flash of Light healed You 0 Holy. (970 Overhealed) (Multistrike)

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theckhd
Mon Jun 16, 2014 5:59 am

Re: A Call To Arms - WoD Mechanics Testing

Kerriodos wrote:Test #10 Shining Protector Double-Dipping
Build 18379
1453 AP & SP
Level 92
1670 Stamina
Resolve 5% (0 damage taken)

This is with the 100% Multistrike proc buff applied by the Garrison Shamanstone; every FoL cast will trigger both Multistrike chances as MS is over 100%.

Seal of Truth:

22:39:52> Your Shining Protector healed You 0 Holy. (900 Overhealed)
22:39:52> Your Flash of Light healed You 0 Holy. (3002 Overhealed)
22:39:52> Your Flash of Light healed You 0 Holy. (866 Overhealed) (Multistrike)
22:39:52> Your Flash of Light healed You 0 Holy. (845 Overhealed) (Multistrike)

Seal of Insight:

22:39:56> Your Shining Protector healed You 0 Holy. (942 Overhealed)
22:39:56> Your Shining Protector healed You 0 Holy. (942 Overhealed)
22:39:56>Your Flash of Light healed You 0 Holy. (3140 Overhealed)
22:39:56>Your Flash of Light healed You 0 Holy. (961 Overhealed) (Multistrike)
22:39:56>Your Shining Protector healed You 0 Holy. (291 Overhealed)
22:39:56>Your Shining Protector healed You 0 Holy. (291 Overhealed)
22:39:56>Your Flash of Light healed You 0 Holy. (970 Overhealed) (Multistrike)

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So, some curious results here.

First, Shining Protector doesn't double-dip on anything, as expected.

900/3002 = 0.2998
942/3140 = 0.3000
291/970 = 0.3000

So it doesn't benefit from Seal of Insight or from Resolve, because the base heal that triggers it is affected by both. Would be pretty broken if it didn't work this way (otherwise Resolve would indirectly increase all external healing on you via Shining Protector).

Second: There appears to be a bug with Shining Protector, in that it's proccing twice in some circumstances. Given what you've shown me Kerri, my guess is that it's related to having Seal of Insight active? In other words, it seems to perform properly with SoT up, but always procs twice when Seal of Insight is active. Is that repeatable? In other words, does it always give you that double proc effect with SoI up, and never with SoT?

Third: It can proc off of multistrikes. The proc that heals for 291 clearly procced from the 970 Multistrike. What's curious is that we didn't get a proc from the 961 Multistrike. Unless there's a 288 Shining Protector double-proc just below that in the combat log that Kerri is hiding from us (doubtful). I don't know why it would only proc from one of the two multi-strikes but not the other, unless it's still using the old (X/2)% MS system (i.e. X% MS means you get two X/2% rolls).

Kerri, can you run a few more tests to clarify those last two points? Probably spam FoL on yourself for the full 12-sec duration of the buff so we have a few more events to peruse. This time I'll actually want the log, since there's more data to sift through - I didn't ask for one the first time because I expected this to be a pretty straightforward test.
theckhd
Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:48 pm

Re: A Call To Arms - WoD Mechanics Testing

It looks like it's not tied to Seal of Insight. From the Seal of Truth log:
Code: Select all
19:05:54.960   Kerriodos Shining Protector Kerriodos +0 (O: 1687)   
19:05:54.960   Kerriodos Flash of Light Kerriodos +*0* (O: 5622)   
19:05:54.960   Kerriodos Flash of Light Kerriodos +0 (O: 1671)   
19:05:54.960   Kerriodos Shining Protector Kerriodos +0 (O: 525)   
19:05:54.960   Kerriodos Shining Protector Kerriodos +0 (O: 525)   
19:05:54.960   Kerriodos Flash of Light Kerriodos +0 (O: 1748)


1671/5622 = 0.300
525/1748 = 0.300

That's a clear double-proc of Shining Protector off of the 1748 multistrike. It's also clear it didn't proc at all off of the first multi-strike, despite you having 100% Multistrike with the buff up. Nor is it consistent:

Code: Select all
19:05:56.299   Kerriodos Shining Protector Kerriodos +0 (O: 1775)   
19:05:56.299   Kerriodos Flash of Light Kerriodos +*0* (O: 5917)   
19:05:56.299   Kerriodos Flash of Light Kerriodos +0 (O: 1874)   
19:05:56.299   Kerriodos Shining Protector Kerriodos +0 (O: 545)   
19:05:56.299   Kerriodos Flash of Light Kerriodos +0 (O: 1817)


This time, it only procced once off of the 1817 multistrike. And in this instance it didn't proc off of the primary heal at all, just the first multistrike (30% of 1751):

Code: Select all
19:05:57.639   Kerriodos Flash of Light Kerriodos +0 (O: 2883)   
19:05:57.639   Kerriodos Shining Protector Kerriodos +0 (O: 525)   
19:05:57.639   Kerriodos Flash of Light Kerriodos +*0* (O: 1751)   
19:05:57.639   Kerriodos Flash of Light Kerriodos +0 (O: 1672)


And here's one where we got double-procs off of the main heal and one multistrike, and a single-proc off of the other multistrike:

Code: Select all
19:06:00.858   Kerriodos Shining Protector Kerriodos +0 (O: 814)   
19:06:00.858   Kerriodos Shining Protector Kerriodos +0 (O: 814)   
19:06:00.858   Kerriodos Flash of Light Kerriodos +0 (O: 2713)   
19:06:00.858   Kerriodos Shining Protector Kerriodos +0 (O: 251)   
19:06:00.858   Kerriodos Flash of Light Kerriodos +0 (O: 838)   
19:06:00.858   Kerriodos Shining Protector Kerriodos +0 (O: 529)   
19:06:00.858   Kerriodos Shining Protector Kerriodos +0 (O: 529)   
19:06:00.858   Kerriodos Flash of Light Kerriodos +*0* (O: 1763)


And that's all in the SoT log. I can find similar cases in the SoI logt:

Code: Select all
19:13:36.409   Kerriodos Shining Protector Kerriodos +0 (O: 899)   
19:13:36.409   Kerriodos Flash of Light Kerriodos +0 (O: 2995)   
19:13:36.409   Kerriodos Shining Protector Kerriodos +0 (O: 267)   
19:13:36.409   Kerriodos Flash of Light Kerriodos +0 (O: 891)   
19:13:36.409   Kerriodos Shining Protector Kerriodos +0 (O: 260)   
19:13:36.409   Kerriodos Shining Protector Kerriodos +0 (O: 260)   
19:13:36.409   Kerriodos Flash of Light Kerriodos +0 (O: 866)


Current theory: The proccing of Shining Protector is borked, and it's using the old multi-strike chance code, such that 100% multistrike is giving two 50% chance rolls. That means a 25% chance of a double-proc, 25% chance of no proc, and 50% chance of one proc from any individual event. There's not enough data here to conclusively test those ratios, but I don't think there's much point in trying to collect it. The double-procs make it clear that this is a bug, and that we should just report it as such and let them sort it out.
theckhd
Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:35 am

Re: A Call To Arms - WoD Mechanics Testing

Note: combat logs are completely broken in the current beta build, apparently. So we probably can't do much testing at the moment, despite the availability of L100 chars.

Nonetheless, the old-school method of trolling the in-game combat log sorted out test #12. Had a warlock keep Curse of Agony on me, waited around for a while for a tick that had both SS and HS absorbs.

Wrote down the amounts of two relevant tick events, unfortunately the world server went down before I thought to Screenshot.

Tick #1: 1358 damage + 905 Absorbed (HS only). 905 is exactly 40% of the total damage (2263).
Tick #2: 294 taken + 2284 absorbed (SS+HS). Sacred Shield size was 2086, thus 196 points of that absorb are due to Holy Shield. 196 is 40% of the total post-SS-absorb damage (2576 total - 2086 = 490 damage, 40% of which is 196).

Conclusion: Holy Shield is last in the order of operations, absorbing 40% of whatever makes it through all of your other mitigation effects, including absorb bubbles like Sacred Shield. Absorbs (your own or from other healers) thus indirectly reduce the value of Holy Shield.
Fetzie
Wed Jul 02, 2014 6:12 am

Re: A Call To Arms - WoD Mechanics Testing

Sacred Shield appears to be able to crit-heal.

See the two attached screenshots. Taken with 9% base Resolve and zero damage taken in the last ten seconds.

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theckhd
Wed Jul 02, 2014 7:06 am

Re: A Call To Arms - WoD Mechanics Testing

Yep, I've definitely seen the same behavior. It shows up in the combat log as well, though it's not labeled as a crit:

Your Sacred Shield refreshed You. (6239 Remaining)
Your Sacred Shield refreshed You. (12478 Remaining)

It can also multistrike:

Your Sacred Shield refreshed You. (6239 Remaining)
Your Sacred Shield refreshed You. (8111 Remaining)
theckhd
Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:37 am

Re: A Call To Arms - WoD Mechanics Testing

Oh hey, combat log is fixed now. Let's get to testing.
twilytgardnfaery
Thu Jul 03, 2014 3:48 pm

Re:

theckhd wrote:Parse Requests

Test #4: Seal of Truth
  • Level: any
  • Gear: any, no dynamic procs
  • Weapon: Tomahawk, Brunnhildar Axe
  • Target: any
  • Attack Sequence: auto-attack with SoT active
  • Goal: about 500 Seal of Truth (not Censure) procs with each weapon, preferably in separate logs
  • Report: upload logs, note char sheet AP (shouldn't change between weapons)


Question regarding this one: Is there another item that would be statistically close enough to the Brunnhildar Axe for your testing purposes? I'm on the beta, but a) the character I'm working with is a premade because I did the Alliance bit on my shaman and figured it would be more productive to take the paladin through the Horde side rather than just going through the same things I already tested, so she lacks rep, and b) my copy of my live paladin got her rep wiped anyway in the last patch, so neither of them have any. Since I can't seem to create a level 100 even on the PvP server, I figured I could at least chip in on the "any level" tests for now. I'll start with the others, but I wanted to ask about this.
Taikishi
Fri Jul 04, 2014 7:52 am

Re: A Call To Arms - WoD Mechanics Testing

Where can I upload these to? The World of Logs client hangs trying to upload the log and Warcraft Logs presents a log with no data once uploaded despite that the file is about 250KB.
Taikishi
Fri Jul 04, 2014 8:26 am

Re: A Call To Arms - WoD Mechanics Testing

Test #8: Seraphim

Unbuffed
Haste: 4.85% (388 rating)
Crit: 16.32% (1245 rating)
Mastery: 13.24% (576 rating)
Bonus Armor: 0
Multistrike: 10.62% (701 rating)
Versatility: 224 rating - damage and healing done increased 22%, damage taking decreased 12%

Seraphim
Haste: 6.31% 505 rating)
Crit: 19.71% (1618 rating)
Mastery: 14.81% (749 rating)
Bonus Armor: still 0
Multistrike: 13.80% (911 rating)
Versatility: still 224

Versatility number seems to be a base amount. I have none from gear and as Retribution this changes to 227. My pre-made 100 Mage has 212. My pre-made 100 Warrior has 224 as Protection or 227 as Fury.

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Testing using BoM

Pre-Seraphim
Haste: 4.85% (388 rating)
Crit: 16.32% (1245 rating)
Mastery: 17.40% (1034 rating)
Bonus Armor: 0
Multistrike: 10.62% (701 rating)
Versatility: 224 rating - increases damage and healing done by 22%, reduces damage taken by 12%

Post Seraphim
Haste: 6.31% 505 rating)
Crit: 19.71% (1618 rating)
Mastery: 20.22% (1344 rating)
Bonus Armor: still 0
Multistrike: 13.80% (911 rating)
Versatility: 224
theckhd
Sun Jul 06, 2014 4:00 pm

Re: Re:

twilytgardnfaery wrote:Question regarding this one: Is there another item that would be statistically close enough to the Brunnhildar Axe for your testing purposes?

I chose that weapon for its (a) speed and (b) lack of stats; if you can find another 3.00-speed 1H without STR/AP on it, that should be fine.

Alternatively, if you want to do the test on an alliance premade, I can probably fly out there and buy the axe and then trade it to you.
theckhd
Sun Jul 06, 2014 4:03 pm

Re: A Call To Arms - WoD Mechanics Testing

Taikishi wrote:Where can I upload these to? The World of Logs client hangs trying to upload the log and Warcraft Logs presents a log with no data once uploaded despite that the file is about 250KB.

We will probably have to wait until Warcraft Logs updates its client to be compatible with beta, then.

edit: Other people seem to be having no trouble uploading beta logs to WCL. I'm not sure what the issue is, but I'll investigate it this week.
Taikishi
Sun Jul 06, 2014 7:11 pm

Re: A Call To Arms - WoD Mechanics Testing

I'll try it again after guild raid is completed in 2 hours. I ended up leaving SW because I kept getting an error on my upload about unknown environmental damage when I wasn't taking any damage. This was on earlier logs. The log I'm going to post didn't have that error but, as I said, comes up empty.