2 stam trinkets in Coliseum-25?

Seloei wrote:Repeat this mantra over again until you memorize it.

"When i can take 2 hits in a row without dieing i will stack avoidance instead of stamina".

That is true for 90% of the fights and those fights require special gearing besides avoidance.

No.

Double stamina has been the way to go since Naxx, as long as you had enough defense and were a JC at the time. See Worldie's post above.

I also prefer double stamina.

I don't intend to replace Heart of Iron until Icecrown, I don't intend to replace Satrina's Impending Scarab except with it's Hard Mode version.

Even though I have avoidance trinkets in my bags, I never use them, I don't expect I ever will.

Btw, can you use both the Stamina trinkets from ToC 25man?
They are named the same and all, but one is "Heroic" and one is not, question is if they count as the same trinket or not?

It has the Unique tag so i'm afraid not.

No one knows for sure given that it's a new type of item distinction, but yeah, probably not.

I doubt the unique tag would stop you, since they can't have the same item ID.

They definitely have the different itemids. The problem is that blizzard still bothered to put unique on them, and probably wouldn't want people wearing both versions of them (since both versions are usually good enough to be better than all rivals for the trinkets, and likely for other slots as well. To make things even more confusing, blizzard is not consistent with the tags they're putting on items, and also the datamining sites like mmochamp have some items with a "unique: <itemname> (1)" tag instead of just the unique tag, which sounds like that'd be specifically for these items which share name and stats/effect, but differ in iLvl. However that tag isn't used consistently across all the items. Even worse, the two version of the same item often have different restrictions. For instance the tanking rings (both alliance and horde): http://db.mmo-champion.com/search/item/ ... itor_king/ - the 258 versions are actually Unique, however the 245 versions are just unique-equipped. So you can loot as many of the 245 ones as you want, but only wear one. But if you have a 245 one in your inventory or equipped, can you loot the 258 one at all? Given that it says Unique, you can either loot AND equip it alongside your 245, or you can't loot it at all.

The stam trinkets treck asked about also have different tags from each other (and different itemids obviously): http://db.mmo-champion.com/search/item/ ... _Vitality/

That was the long answer. The short answer is the same as 3 posts ago: "no one knows yet".

If the unique-name(1) thing works as it sounds, your best bet might actually be to loot your faction's one, then faction switch and loot the other. Those will even have different names I think, and none seem to have racial restrictions on them.

So you can loot as many of the 245 ones as you want, but only wear one. But if you have a 245 one in your inventory or equipped, can you loot the 258 one at all? Given that it says Unique, you can either loot AND equip it alongside your 245, or you can't loot it at all.

wow thats an interesting paradox. haha

However, the one that says "unique equiped" is BOE item, the one that sais Unique is BoP, There would be no real point in having 2 different (rings/trinkets/onehanders) that was BoP and unique equiped, since youll only use one at any time anyway so it might aswell be Unique. Unless ofc you want it with another enchant or gems.
I wonder tho, the items got the same name with the "heroic" tag that seperates them aswell as the stats. GMs cant see the differance on the Algalon key since they have the same name. Maybe deleting an item and requesting it back might actually give you the heroic item?
However, this is the Heroic Trinket:

Juggernaut's Vitality
Heroic
Epic
Binds when picked up
Unique: Juggernaut's Vitality (1)
Miscellaneous
Trinket
+216 Stamina
Requires Level 80
Item Level 258
Increases maximum health by 5186 for 15 sec. Shares cooldown with Battlemaster's trinkets. (3 Min Cooldown)

Maybe a clue?
That line isnt included in the normal version of the trinket.
It would be nice to have them both at the same time and i hope it works, however i dont think so :S
Time will tell.

Picked up the first Juggernaut's Vitality last night, I was so psyched when it was linked since we've only ever seen one RSoKL in my 10m, and I passed it to the op DK at the time. But now this trinket pushed me up to 50.5k buffed.

But I gotta say, on H 25 ToC, double stam is a must. The dmg intake is so high, it's ridiculous.

Loras wrote:Well, the avoidance on-use effects tend to "scale" in a way with how hard the boss hits. 5% more dodge on 6k attacks is nothing special, 5% more dodge on 26k attacks is another story. While this Last Stand effect, even if good in theory, remains static and passively "downscales". If it was a 4.5-5k hp temporary buff on Ulduar normal modes level, then it would've sounded better for me, but at this point... I'm not quit sure.

Not saying the trinket is bad, just trying to find it's usefulness and trying to justify a possible future GP-expense on it

Well the on use avoidance has a rather high chance of giving you nothing at all. A 5% increase in dodge for 10 seconds, has like an 80% chance of not causing a single dodge before it runs out. That's assuming you were block capped before popping it.

I'm not saying that the stamina one is better, but it's likely a more reliable increase in survivability. There are certainly times where one of these may have saved you when the other would not have.

Seems that the heroic modes are all just healer challenges, so, stam trinkets might be a good idea..

halabar wrote:Seems that the heroic modes are all just healer challenges, so, stam trinkets might be a good idea..

We have more problems with DPS than healing. Our tank and healing corps has always dragged dps through content ... face first if necessary ...

FYI its very possible to have BOTH the normal 25man Juggernaut's vitality and the Heroic version.
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet ... os&n=Ethum