[25] Freya: Knock, Knock, Knock on Wood

FWIW, they did eventually seem to fix gruul not shattering, so they may eventually get around to fixing this.

The seed bug seems to be getting more common lately. Up until the second week of clearing 3-elder she'd function correctly on 25 (even when we had fewer keepers), but since then she's flaked on dropping seeds every time.

-Splug

That seems to say that it may be related to how quickly you kill her? On 10 you were obviously outgearing her so had the problem more often. On 25 as you start to outgear/outplay her you run into the problem more often?

I'd believe it on 10, but our last two 25 runs have actually been pretty horrific. We were scraping through wave 6 with 3-4 down and no combat raises, and were concerned about making the berserk timer until the seeds just... didn't spawn. Then again, we do gain a lot of time during the lasher phases, so even if Bad Things happen on the wave 6 trio or conservator, it's still pushing to phase II early. I've heard the seeds always start at the 6 minute mark, so it may be related to attempting to spawn wave 7 and getting hung on that instead? No idea - but you may have a point.

-Splug

Freya not casting seeds is not a bug, glitch, or exploit. She has 234k mana, each spell she casts, consumes some of this mana pool. When she has 0 mana, she will not casts the seeds during phase 2. If you're not actively trying to mana burn her (which you can, using priests/locks/hunters), you'll tend to notice this no seed "bug" after a long-ish fight in hardmode where she's had time to burn her mana casting light beams, roots, trees etc. I play a shadow priest and tend to burn her for around 4-5k per cast. When you initially aggro her you have plenty of time to have all of your mana draining classes (even disc healers) use mana drains on her before her initial mob spawns. Additionally, if you clear all the mobs before another set spawns you can mana drain her between her mob spawn phases, this greatly increases the chance that you'll not have to worry about seeds during p2.

So, next time, watch her mana pool and you can tell whether to expect seeds or not.

Kacophony
Blood Elf Shadow Priest
Resurgence
Stonemaul

:O

I actually toss a viper sting on her for my regen whenever I switch off her to kill adds...

Kacophony wrote:Freya not casting seeds is not a bug, glitch, or exploit. She has 234k mana, each spell she casts, consumes some of this mana pool. When she has 0 mana, she will not casts the seeds during phase 2. If you're not actively trying to mana burn her (which you can, using priests/locks/hunters), you'll tend to notice this no seed "bug" after a long-ish fight in hardmode where she's had time to burn her mana casting light beams, roots, trees etc. I play a shadow priest and tend to burn her for around 4-5k per cast. When you initially aggro her you have plenty of time to have all of your mana draining classes (even disc healers) use mana drains on her before her initial mob spawns. Additionally, if you clear all the mobs before another set spawns you can mana drain her between her mob spawn phases, this greatly increases the chance that you'll not have to worry about seeds during p2.

So, next time, watch her mana pool and you can tell whether to expect seeds or not.

Kacophony
Blood Elf Shadow Priest
Resurgence
Stonemaul

False... I just checked her last night she doesnt lose mana at all, or at least she is on 100% mana when P2 starts. Either way she either doesnt lose mana or has a fast regen that mana burning her is a waste of time.

I can't confirm, one way or another, but I do know that boss mana is usually completely irrelevant. Boss spells typically cost practically no mana. I sincerely doubt this issue is related to mana.