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Is Heavy Borean Armor Kit the best universal buff to gloves?

daemonym
Mon Jan 05, 2009 6:32 am
currently i have 15 strength because i have the mats for it in bulk still, but once i start tanking (no raid guild needs a tank on my server it seems) i'll be rocking 240 armor. i wish i could rock massive armor like a bear with silly BV at the same time =)
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Thels
Mon Jan 05, 2009 6:41 am
Nobody will disagree that the extra socket on gloves are a useful boon. However, they don't interfere with the regular enchant, and therefor have no meaning in the current discussion.

I was planning on putting Armsman on my gloves, since it seemed like the tank enchant. However, this thread has made me reconsider.

As for the EH issue, taking 24k armor and 32k health+bv:

EH = HP * (Armor + 16635) / 16635

EH = 32221 * (24000 + 16635) / 16635 = 78707,56 (18 stamina)

EH = 32000 * (24264 + 16635) / 16635 = 78675,56 (240 armor)

So with those values, stamina wins the fight, but it's reasonably close, and results can vary by gear. In addition:

Extra stamina increases your effective health, but doesn't increase your mitigation, so it doesn't actually help your healers, it just gives them a wider gap.

Extra armor increases your mitigation as well, but against physical attacks only. It's completely useless against casters.

If you're on of the "I MT everything" types, then stamina is a clear winner, as you'll need the help when facing magic bosses.

If your guild places the best tank at the job, then most likely there'll be a DK or maybe warrior tanking the magic bosses, and you should be fine.

Me personally I'll probably need all the avoidance I can get to get block capped, so I guess I'll be running with the Agility enchant for now. If TPS becomes an issue, Armsman seems the logical choice.
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Garath.Gorefiend
Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:13 am
This is a silly discussion.

Face it, the best enchant on gloves is going to highly depend on a number of factors:

1) What tank class you play
2) What tanking role (MT/OT)
3) What content your tanking
4) What your current gear level is at
5) What changes Blizzard makes
6) Personal Preference.

Currently, due to SoL threat and double ShoR, paladin threat is thru the roof. That will change in patch 3.08 and we have yet to see what the full impact will be on our TPS.

If your just tanking heroics, then you won't require extra threat, so you will probably focus on a DPS or EH enchant.

Which one you pick will depend on your gear.

If your stamina is low, then a stamina enchant may win out.

I generally rate armor enchants low as an option since they do not benefit from class magnifiers.

If your happy with your EH and want to generate more threat/dps, then number crunching shows clearly that hit rating has a bigger effect on paladin DPS and threat than expertise does, so if your hit rating is low, then Precision may well win out.

If you want to block a bit more and increase AP then its Str.

BUT...if you are tanking Malygos, then its all about not threat-capping your DPS in phase 1, and building a huge threat lead, so for current high end content, Armsman wins out.

2% threat increase is greater than anything else.

As Ulduar and the rest of the end-game content comes out, I fully believe that all tanks will indeed be challenged to generate enough threat to not cap their DPS.

Malygos is probably just a prelude of things to come.
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Majiben
Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:02 pm
Should also mention that 15 str will provide more tps than hit or expertise for our current gear levels.

I also agree that magylos is a view of fights to come.
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Majiben
Sat Jan 17, 2009 12:06 am
Actually for TBC post 3.0 +15 str was right on the heels of +2% threat for most tanks. It also has the added bonus of providing mitigation. Pure threat stats have no business being considered (Armsman is not pure threat due to the parry rating) when there is no time or place that threat is an issue. Don't say Magylos because I think you'll find most people here have tanked him their normal gear. I doubt we'll ever come to a time where have to wear our threat gear for more than one fight per tier if even that. People looking for threat stats for enchants And gear are still stuck in a TBC mindset where you had to squeeze out every ounce at the cost of survival.
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Enkal
Tue Jan 20, 2009 5:30 am
I prefer hit on gloves mainly since a missed hit is no damage and no threat. 179 hitrating atm Cool
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Majiben
Tue Jan 20, 2009 5:38 am
+15 str is more threat on average and some mitigation. As is armsman. Threat is no reason to get hit. Saying that you don't like seeing misses and screw the opportunity loss is what you really mean.
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Enkal
Tue Jan 20, 2009 5:56 am
Bah double post, somebody remove this or gimme a little x-button to delete it myself! Razz
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Akairos
Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:48 am
I'd say armsman overall, as that 2% scales with gear and your max threat while at the same time providing avoidance, even if somewhat minor........Alsoitisthecheapestone.
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