WotLK Beta Testing Thread

I have two questions or better, one question for two abilities.

Sorry if this has been raised already, I'm not able to keep up properly while traveling:

Are there plans to address the scaling of seals? I read somewhere/ran some numbers to verify, and it looked like SoV was the best DPS seal for ret, then SoR, and SoC/SoB coming a clear last. If they're tweaked, it'll likely affect us.



(edit: here's the numbers I ran, pulling formulae from wotlk.wowhead pages. I don't know how reliable the judgement damages are, I have a suspicion they use the old formula, and not the new one with JoW/JoL/JoJ having base damage + modifiers from the seals. It's also possible that the math is FUBAR because I've done my best to avoid running numbers since I left uni)


SoC:
0.7 (MW)
~1120, 45% (proc rate? assuming ppm system still) => ~504 (avg dmg per swing)

JoC:
0.3 (MW) + 0.36 (AP) + 0.58 (SP)
~480 + 1440 + 696 = 2606

SoB:
0.35 (MW)
~560

JoB:
0.45 (MW) + 0.36 (AP) + 0.58 (SP)
~720 + 1440 + 696 = 2856

SoR: (weapon speed * 0.08 (AP)
wep.speed ( 0.05 (AP) + 0.10 (SP))
~3.8 ( 200 + 120) = 1216 (320 dps)

JoR:
1 + 0.45 (AP) + 0.73 (SP)
~1 + 1800 + 876 = 2677

SoV: (0.172 (AP) * 5 stacks [per dot] => 0.86 (AP) per dot => 0.28667 (AP) dps
6 ticks (0.34 (SP) + 0.07 (AP)) * 5 stacks
~5 (408 + 280) = 5 (688) = 3440 / tick (1146 dps)
^case in point of my bad math: transcription error ledaing to crazy inflated numbers
6 ticks * 5 stack (0.034 (SP) + 0.07 (AP))
~6 (5 (40.8 + 280))
~ 6 ticks, 1604 per tick (534.6 dps)
(=> (0.0802 (AP) * 5 stacks [per dot] => 0.401 (AP) per dot => 0.13366 (AP) dps)

JoV:
(1 + 0.58 (SP) + 0.36 (AP)) * 1.5 (5 stacks)
~(1 + 696 + 1440) 1.5 = 1.5 ( 2137) = 3205.5



(assuming what i remember to be basic numbers for a raid-buffed retadin)

4k ap + 1200 SP
mw = 1600
crit% = 45?
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New question:

With hit rating & spell hit rating merged into one stat, has the conversion rate into actual % chance to hit also been merged? Or does the merged hit rating increase chance to hit with melee/ranged attacks at a different (presumably slower) rate than it increases chance to hit with spells?
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Copy/Pasted from testing on Elitist Jerks, with regards to additional threat caused by HotR and ShoR:

Does SotP affect the Vengeance DoT? I have left it out of this calc for now.

Assume:

Consecration 12% AP and SP per second (Not sure?)
No mob avoidance or resistance, hit capped
1 HS charge used per 2 sec
No SotP, 1HWS
Shield Spec, the ShoR increasing talent, Divine Strength, all Stam talents
SoR
Kings
Shield Spec = SBV but not STR-BV
9 second judgements
HotR with a 2.6 speed 1h, AP/SoR for it applies as 2.6 speed
HotR as HOLY damage

By ilvl -> 24 SBV = 18 STA = 12 STR = 14.4 SP = 24 AP (these may not be exact)

Talented/buffed -> 31.2 SBV (33.6 w/ 10% meta) = 22.68 STA = 15 STR = 14.4 SP = 24 AP

SBV adds 163.61 TPC -> 27.27 TPS to ShoR (176.20 -> 29.37)

STA translates to 6.80 spell power, adding:
1.29 TPS to SoR
1.20 TPS to HS
1.55 TPS to Cons
1.05 TPS to JoR
0.56 TPS to HotR (due to SoR)
0.00 TPS to ShoR
= 5.65 TPS total

SP adds 5.65 * 14.4/6.8 = 11.96 TPS

STR translates to 30 AP + 7.5 SBV, adding:
2.85 TPS to SoR
0.00 TPS to HS
6.84 TPS to Cons
2.85 TPS to JoR
2.12 TPS to HotR
6.56 TPS to ShoR
2.14 TPS to Autoattack
= 23.36 TPS total with SoR

6.65 TPS to SoV
3.42 TPS to JoV
= 27.73 TPS total with SoV

AP adds STR's contribution minus ShoR * 24/30 = 16.93 TPS

Summary of Single Target Threat Stats
STR = 100% (baseline)
SBV = 98.3% - 105.9% of Strength depending on meta gem
STR = 88% (without Divine Strength)
SBV = 75.6% of Strength (without Shield Spec)
AP = 61.1% of Strength
SP = 43.1% of Strength
STA = 20.4% of Strength

TLDR
Keep your autoblocker.


Edit: Forgot about autoattack threat.
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Gladiator Psiven, 70 Tankadin (unretired)
Rival Psivenia, 70 Warriorlol
Psivenne, 60 Bare
Longtime addict of Space - Glory Through Conquest

New question...


Does HOTR break sheep?
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Yes, at least, it breaks freezing trap. And so does the resulting Vengeance DoT
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Gladiator Psiven, 70 Tankadin (unretired)
Rival Psivenia, 70 Warriorlol
Psivenne, 60 Bare
Longtime addict of Space - Glory Through Conquest

Hey Dorv, i got some answers for you

-- With Heart of the Crusader and 3 paladins in a raid, can each one spec into HotC and judge a different ability, Justice, Wisdom, Light and get 9% raid crit?
No, the Heart of Crusader is a added debuff (differently from now on live where it just adds a effect to the judgement), and it does not stack. There's only one Heart of Crusader on the mob even with multiple judgements

-- What are the mana efficiencies of our threat moves: baseline? with a typical set of level 70/75/80 gear?
I can speak until level 75 due to 77 level cap. The current idea is that assuming you pull 1 pack per time, you can use one or two consecration max, rest you can deal with judgements, HotR and ShoR

-- Does Holy shield still count as a magical buff in wotlk?
Yes, it's still a magical buff

-- Seeing as Hotr hits 4 targets, if you judge several targets, can you refresh the judgements on all of them with Hotr?
No, it doesn't refresh any judgement. Actually, refreshing judgement has been removed, you can only refresh them by rejudging
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