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Massachusetts senate seat

Arnock
Tue Jan 19, 2010 8:50 pm

Massachusetts senate seat

Boston, Massachusetts (CNN) -- Republican Scott Brown won a major upset victory in Tuesday's special election for the U.S. Senate seat formerly held by liberal Democrat Ted Kennedy.

With 89 percent of the results counted, Brown had 52 percent of the vote to 47 percent for Massachusetts Attorney General Martha Coakley, the Democratic candidate, according to the the National Election Pool, a consortium of media organizations including CNN. Independent candidate Joseph Kennedy, a libertarian who is not related to the Kennedy political family of Massachusetts, had 1 percent.

Brown's victory made real the once unthinkable prospect of a Republican filling the seat held by Kennedy, known as the liberal lion, for almost 47 years until his death from brain cancer in August.

Voters across Massachusetts braved winter cold and snow for an election with high stakes -- the domestic agenda of President Obama, including his priority of health care reform.

Brown's victory strips Democrats of the 60-seat Senate supermajority needed to overcome GOP filibusters against future Senate action on a broad range of White House priorities. Senate Democrats needed all 60 votes in their caucus to pass the health care bill, and the loss of one seat imperils generating that support again for a compromise measure worked out with the House.

In a subdued concession speech, Coakley said she expected a tough assessment of her loss and lots of "Wednesday-morning quarterbacking" after losing a seat held by Democrats for more than 50 years.

"I am heartbroken at the result," Coakley said, later adding: "Although I am very disappointed, I always respect the voters' choice."

Massachusetts Secretary of State Bill Galvin said last week that certifying Tuesday's election results could take more than two weeks -- potentially enough time to allow congressional Democrats to pass a final health care bill before Brown is seated.

But multiple Democratic sources said this is unlikely. Even if House and Senate Democrats could reach a deal to meld their bills and pass them in the next couple of weeks, there would be a huge outcry from not only Republicans, but also an increasingly distrustful public if they appeared to be rushing it through.

Galvin had predicted as many as 2.2 million of the state's 4.5 million registered voters would vote -- at least double the turnout from December's primary. In one sign of high interest, more than 100,000 absentee ballots were requested ahead of the election, according to Galvin's spokesman, Brian McNiff.

Coakley was initially expected to easily win the race to replace Kennedy, who made health care reform the centerpiece of his Senate career.

Until recently, Brown was underfunded and unknown statewide. In addition, no Republican has won a U.S. Senate race in Massachusetts since 1972, and Democrats control the governorship, both houses of the state legislature, and the state's entire congressional delegation.

However, Brown surged in the weeks preceding Tuesday's vote and led in all the final polls.

Democratic sources told CNN that Coakley called Brown on Tuesday night to concede.

In a sign of the high stakes involved, the Coakley campaign held an afternoon news conference Tuesday to complain that voters in three places received ballots already marked for Brown.

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McNiff confirmed that the secretary of state's offices received two reports of voters saying they got pre-marked ballots. The suspect ballots were invalidated and the voters received new ballots, McNiff said.

Kevin Conroy, the Coakley campaign manager, said the "disturbing incidents" raised questions about the integrity of the election. In response, the Brown campaign issued a statement criticizing Coakley's team.

"Reports that the Coakley campaign is making reckless accusations regarding the integrity of today's election is a reminder that they are a desperate campaign," Daniel B. Winslow, the counsel for the Brown campaign, said in the statement.

Obama has been both "surprised and frustrated" by the race, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said Tuesday.

Obama and former President Bill Clinton hit the campaign trail over the past three days in an attempt to save Coakley's campaign, which observers say was hampered by complacency and missteps.

Obama crushed Sen. John McCain in Massachusetts in 2008, beating the GOP presidential nominee by 26 points.

"If you were fired up in the last election, I need you more fired up in this election," Obama urged a crowd at a Coakley campaign rally on Sunday.

Vicki Kennedy, the late senator's widow, called on state Democrats to turn out to save her husband's legacy.

"We need your help. We need your support. We need you to get out there and vote on Tuesday," Kennedy said. "We need you to bring your neighbors. We need you to bring your friends."

Brown, who has trumpeted his 30 years of service in the National Guard, hewed to traditional GOP themes at the end of the campaign. He promised at a rally Sunday that, if elected, he would back tax cuts and be tougher on terrorists than Coakley.

He also repeated a pledge to oppose Obama's health care reform effort.


"Massachusetts wants real reform and not this trillion-dollar Obama health care that is being forced on the American people," he said. "As the 41st [Republican] senator I will make sure that we do it better."

Forty-four percent of Massachusetts voters cited the economy and jobs as their top concern in a recent 7 News/Suffolk University poll. Thirty-eight percent mentioned health care as their top concern.

Voters more concerned with the economy were split almost evenly between the two candidates; voters more worried about health care narrowly supported Coakley.

Brown's surprising strength came in part because some independents and conservatives who have supported Democrats in the past were having second thoughts.

Democrats far outnumber Republicans in Massachusetts, but there are more independents than Democrats and Republicans combined.

Several Democratic sources say multiple Obama advisers have told the party they believed Coakley was going to lose, despite Obama's campaign appearance for Coakley on Sunday.

Facing the possibility of Coakley's defeat, Democrats were trying to figure out if they could pass health care reform without that crucial 60th Senate vote.

The seat is currently held by former Kennedy aide and longtime friend Paul Kirk, who was appointed to the seat on an interim basis.

Two Democratic sources in close contact with the White House told CNN on Monday they've urged the administration, in the event of a Brown victory, to push House Democrats to pass the Senate's health care bill as currently written. Doing so would prevent the plan from having to be taken up by the Senate again.

"I think the Senate bill clearly is better than nothing," House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Maryland, said Tuesday.

A third option would be for Democrats to revisit the idea of trying to push health care through the Senate with only 51 votes -- a simple majority.

But to do that Democrats would have to use a process known as reconciliation, which presents technical and procedural issues that would delay the process for a long time. A number of Democrats are eager to put the health care debate behind them and move on to economic issues such as job creation as soon as possible this election year.

Senate Democrats could also try again to get moderate GOP Sen. Olympia Snowe of Maine to vote for a compromise health reform plan. Multiple Democratic sources, however, have said they believe that is unlikely now.





TL;DR republican candidate won the late Senator Ted Kennedy's seat in the senate, removing the Democrat's filibuster proof supermajority, and making the passing of the current health care bill much more difficult.. Massachusetts was about the most democratic state in the country, and it is an extremely surprising switch.








I personally think its a fairly good thing. There's no doubt that the American healthcare system needs reform badly, but I believe that the current incarnation of that bill would do more harm than good.
Grehn|Skipjack
Tue Jan 19, 2010 9:22 pm

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Unsurprising. His opponent was a raging idiot.
Dianora
Tue Jan 19, 2010 11:36 pm

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Grehn|Skipjack wrote:Unsurprising. His opponent was a raging idiot.


Let us count the ways:

1. Stating that she thought it was a waste of time shaking potential voter's hand outside of Fenway Park in the cold of the winter, while she's warming her heals in the offices of her big shot political backers.

2. When Curt Shilling called her out on the fact that she just insulted Boston Red Sox fans, she mistook him for a Yankee fan who's not there anymore.

3. Saying that there's no more terrorists in Afghanistan a couple of days after 8 CIA agents was killed by a double agent.

4. Misspell Massachusetts in her own political ad.

and many more. She basically thought when she won the Democrats nomination, the election was over and took an one week vacation. She also didn't bother going to western part of the state. Her election shall be studied as a text book example of how NOT to do things.
hoho
Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:11 am

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Arnock wrote:There's no doubt that the American healthcare system needs reform badly, but I believe that the current incarnation of that bill would do more harm than good.
Indeed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcBaSP31Be8
Thanistor
Wed Jan 20, 2010 7:43 am

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Grehn|Skipjack wrote:Unsurprising. His opponent was a raging idiot.



This!

(from a MA resident!)
vegardhv
Wed Jan 20, 2010 7:58 am

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Very sorry for this but.. What does cbh mean?
thegreatheed
Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:19 am

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Arnock wrote: There's no doubt that the American healthcare system needs reform badly, but I believe that the current incarnation of that bill would do more harm than good.


There's several simple steps that could be done to reduce costs and encourage competition among private health care insurance providers that would reduce cost and increase coverage.

-reform medical malpractice law. "defensive medicine" is one of the leading factors in rising health care costs.
-allow nationwide health insurance competition. currently insurance companies cannot sell insurance outside of one state, drastically reducing their ability to compete.
-refuse treatment for non-paying illegal aliens. currently any hospital cannot refuse to treat regardless of ability to pay or nationality. emergency rooms are full of illegal aliens with colds and the flu.

those 3 changes would probably drastically reduce health care costs, and fix our "health care crisis". Calling it a crisis is a joke though. Despite three huge factors working against our life expectancy age (deaths from car accidents, high murder rates in large cities, and horrible diet causing high obesity rates) Americans STILL have long life expectancy. Sounds like a pretty good health care system, imo.
Njall
Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:55 am

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vegardhv wrote:Very sorry for this but.. What does cbh mean?


Child Bearing Hips. Which are always a good thing. A /waggle makes them even better.
Rojhaz
Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:23 am

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I personally think it's a terrible thing with the current unwillingness of Republicans to vote for anything the Democrats propose; Anything less than a supermajority is going to completely halt the already horribly slow process of passing Bills.

This is probably the first step in what I've envisioned happening for quite some time: Due to the threat of instant filibuster, Democrats have tried to angle for the supermajority vote on all of their proposed items. Shooting for this, however, brings the process to a crawl. Republicans in the 2010 elections use this slowdown to win votes, thereby increasing their numbers in Congress and making the legislating process even less productive. Republicans then use the self-created, doubly increased non-productivity of a still Democrat-controlled Congress as a talking point in the 2012 election.

Seeing as how most voters in the US, regardless of party, are woefully uninformed about who they're voting for, I'm afraid the above tactic will probably work. :(
Fridmarr
Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:00 am

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Rojhaz wrote:I personally think it's a terrible thing with the current unwillingness of Republicans to vote for anything the Democrats propose; Anything less than a supermajority is going to completely halt the already horribly slow process of passing Bills.

This is probably the first step in what I've envisioned happening for quite some time: Due to the threat of instant filibuster, Democrats have tried to angle for the supermajority vote on all of their proposed items. Shooting for this, however, brings the process to a crawl. Republicans in the 2010 elections use this slowdown to win votes, thereby increasing their numbers in Congress and making the legislating process even less productive. Republicans then use the self-created, doubly increased non-productivity of a still Democrat-controlled Congress as a talking point in the 2012 election.

Seeing as how most voters in the US, regardless of party, are woefully uninformed about who they're voting for, I'm afraid the above tactic will probably work. :(

Eh, don't even go there. Republicans have no power to block anything at the moment. If Democrats can't get something done, it's because Democrats are blocking it. The only legislation that was delayed was healthcare, which polling shows (and it should) was amazingly unpopular, so much so that the blue dogs wouldn't sign it either. It's worth noting that the far left hates it too. They aren't a big fan of the government requiring everyone to put money in the pockets of the private industry, or go to jail for not doing so. I can't imagine how it's even constitutional.

Obama had his chance to get republicans on board with the stimulus. There was lots of public will and political capital that would have had republicans compromising quite a bit. Instead, they went so far left with that horrendous bill that republicans just couldn't sign it (and the democrats knew it), and when they didn't he chastised them as being obstructionists. It has been clear since that legislation was authored that Democrats have no desire at all to compromise with republicans in the slightest, and are going to use their majority to get what they want. In fairness, I suspect republicans would do the exact same thing, if the situation were reversed, and I'd be writing the same thing only with the parties flip flopped.
Roots
Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:08 am

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Njall wrote:
vegardhv wrote:Very sorry for this but.. What does cbh mean?


Child Bearing Hips. Which are always a good thing. A /waggle makes them even better.


wtb /waggle as a new animated motion in Cata
Rachmaninoff
Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:23 am

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thegreatheed wrote:
Arnock wrote: There's no doubt that the American healthcare system needs reform badly, but I believe that the current incarnation of that bill would do more harm than good.


There's several simple steps that could be done to reduce costs and encourage competition among private health care insurance providers that would reduce cost and increase coverage.

-reform medical malpractice law. "defensive medicine" is one of the leading factors in rising health care costs.
-allow nationwide health insurance competition. currently insurance companies cannot sell insurance outside of one state, drastically reducing their ability to compete.
-refuse treatment for non-paying illegal aliens. currently any hospital cannot refuse to treat regardless of ability to pay or nationality. emergency rooms are full of illegal aliens with colds and the flu.

those 3 changes would probably drastically reduce health care costs, and fix our "health care crisis". Calling it a crisis is a joke though. Despite three huge factors working against our life expectancy age (deaths from car accidents, high murder rates in large cities, and horrible diet causing high obesity rates) Americans STILL have long life expectancy. Sounds like a pretty good health care system, imo.


good points... I agree that possibly the biggest problem with our health care is unnecessary lawsuits... but think about this, a friend of mine I used to raid with, his kid when he was born, the doctor pulled his arm damaging nerves in his arm. his kid cannot use of feel his arm. I think he's 4 now. there is still a lawsuit pending against that doctor. my friend is pushing for a jury to decided what happens

now how did this happen? if I remember correctly the doctor was not the doctor who was supposed to deliver the baby, he was over worked and did not have much sleep. this brings up something I think that also need to be looked at is doctors themselves. I remember reading an article somewhere saying that one problem that Massachusetts has is there enough doctors. I think that article was focusing on primary physicians. The article went into detail of the high costs of medical school and that IF someone can become a doctor they are seriously in debt. So what also should be done is to help people become doctors.

It also doesn't help that people in this country is full hypochondriacs. People will go to the doctor for sniffle because they are afraid they have the swine flu.
fuzzygeek
Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:28 am

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Rojhaz wrote:Anything less than a supermajority is going to completely halt the already horribly slow process of passing Bills.


This is a feature, not a bug.
Roots
Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:42 am

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fuzzygeek wrote:
Rojhaz wrote:Anything less than a supermajority is going to completely halt the already horribly slow process of passing Bills.


This is a feature, not a bug.


"Working as intended."
Njall
Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:44 am

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Cool. Now the US can get back to being the only first world country without universal health care AND the death penalty.
Garov
Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:59 am

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It honestly doesn't make a difference. Democrats can't all agree on simple things like grass being green and water being wet. It doesn't matter how many Republicans are around if Dem's can't agree on the simple stuff.
honorshammer
Wed Jan 20, 2010 12:50 pm

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I thought the health care bill had already passed?
Thanistor
Wed Jan 20, 2010 12:59 pm

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honorshammer wrote:I thought the health care bill had already passed?


Well, the House passed one, and the Senate passed one. However, they are *not* the same Bill. So it hasn't gone on to the President yet.

So today it still just a Bill.
Thalia
Wed Jan 20, 2010 12:59 pm

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I sooo wish they had the death penalty in Mexico, some places need it.

These bastards over there, killing women and children and decapitating families (my aunt's brother in law and his son where murdered that way)... and they just get jail time, they deserve to not be around. And that country is so corrupt that they are let go after they pay off the judges and are off killing again. What happened to the people who rised up against the French and Spanish and kicked them out with minutemen? Now they can't kick this evil out !?

End Rant. ( I know it went to left field, because of these experiences in my life, I am pro death penalty for monsters like those)
Fridmarr
Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:36 pm

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Yeah but a government with that much corruption having the death penalty can be a huge problem too. I'm generally in favor of the death penalty on paper, but not really in practice. The thought of executing an innocent person, is just too much for me.
katraya
Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:46 pm

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Fridmarr wrote:I'm generally in favor of the death penalty on paper, but not really in practice. The thought of executing an innocent person, is just too much for me.


That sums up opinion as well. I'd be for the death penalty if I truly believed it could be used accurately and without bias but I just don't think that will ever be possible.
Roots
Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:07 pm

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I wouldn't say it's that dems can't agree on anything, but rather democrats just pick up all the view points that aren't the "republicans believe this and only this"

Because of this, republicans have a very easy time to all stand together and vote in one direction, whereas in the democratic party you have a range of views from moderates to extreme liberals.

I don't like the republican party, yet a lot of my views are considered "moderate republican" (don't hate, I'm still pro-choice/pro gay marriage, we're talking from more of a business/tax/money standpoint)
thegreatheed
Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:44 pm

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Njall wrote:Cool. Now the US can get back to being the only first world country without universal health care AND the death penalty.
EXACTLY the way we want it.
Njall
Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:47 pm

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thegreatheed wrote:
Njall wrote:Cool. Now the US can get back to being the only first world country without universal health care AND the death penalty.
EXACTLY the way we want it.


I don't.
katraya
Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:47 pm

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Njall wrote:
thegreatheed wrote:
Njall wrote:Cool. Now the US can get back to being the only first world country without universal health care AND the death penalty.
EXACTLY the way we want it.


I don't.