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martyr spec better? WTF?

Koatanga
Sun Apr 05, 2009 4:17 am

Re: martyr spec better? WTF?

To me that's a spec that sacrifices defense in the name of DPS, which is not (for me) what a tank is about. In my opinion (your mileage may vary) slowing the boss by 10% is better than increasing my crit chance.
Fridmarr
Sun Apr 05, 2009 4:21 am

Re: martyr spec better? WTF?

Minnerva wrote:So it seems a tankadin was using a martyr spec and was able to keep agro with no problem and i think more dps. it was on MMO here is the link to his spec.

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=%D0%93%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B4%D1%83%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B8&n=%D0%A5%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%B3%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwu9HKICyiE&feature=player_embedded
Well the WWS of the fight is available here, http://wowwebstats.com/f233hiufbwua5?s= ... a=x1a98ce1

Having seen that and the video, your post confuses the hell out of me. He's not in a Martyr spec, his DPS is not high, and most importantly, he was not even using Martyr.
Minnerva
Sun Apr 05, 2009 4:23 am

Re: martyr spec better? WTF?

Koatanga wrote:To me that's a spec that sacrifices defense in the name of DPS, which is not (for me) what a tank is about. In my opinion (your mileage may vary) slowing the boss by 10% is better than increasing my crit chance.


i am trying to figure out if my math is wrong. but when compared against one dragon i fought it said i did 188 every 3 and he was doing 75 every 1 would seem the tps was more in his favor.
Minnerva
Sun Apr 05, 2009 4:29 am

Re: martyr spec better? WTF?

Fridmarr wrote:
Minnerva wrote:So it seems a tankadin was using a martyr spec and was able to keep agro with no problem and i think more dps. it was on MMO here is the link to his spec.

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=%D0%93%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B4%D1%83%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B8&n=%D0%A5%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%B3%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwu9HKICyiE&feature=player_embedded
Well the WWS of the fight is available here, http://wowwebstats.com/f233hiufbwua5?s= ... a=x1a98ce1

Having seen that and the video, your post confuses the hell out of me. He's not in a Martyr spec, his DPS is not high, and most importantly, he was not even using Martyr.


i was saying it was martyr spec because of knaughty's spec mention during the martyr tanking and vengance tanking
Fridmarr
Sun Apr 05, 2009 4:33 am

Re: martyr spec better? WTF?

Minnerva wrote:
Koatanga wrote:To me that's a spec that sacrifices defense in the name of DPS, which is not (for me) what a tank is about. In my opinion (your mileage may vary) slowing the boss by 10% is better than increasing my crit chance.


i am trying to figure out if my math is wrong. but when compared against one dragon i fought it said i did 188 every 3 and he was doing 75 every 1 would seem the tps was more in his favor.

I'm not sure what you are referring too. You'll need to be more explicit.
Levantine
Sun Apr 05, 2009 4:35 am

Re: martyr spec better? WTF?

Conviction beats SotP when you're in 25man gear. It's a high end spec without JotJ, not a 'Martyr Spec'.

Also, this new post review thing in phpBB3 is tripping me out. I keep thinking I've hit Preview and not Submit.
Fridmarr
Sun Apr 05, 2009 4:36 am

Re: martyr spec better? WTF?

Minnerva wrote:
Fridmarr wrote:
Minnerva wrote:So it seems a tankadin was using a martyr spec and was able to keep agro with no problem and i think more dps. it was on MMO here is the link to his spec.

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=%D0%93%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B4%D1%83%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B8&n=%D0%A5%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%B3%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwu9HKICyiE&feature=player_embedded
Well the WWS of the fight is available here, http://wowwebstats.com/f233hiufbwua5?s= ... a=x1a98ce1

Having seen that and the video, your post confuses the hell out of me. He's not in a Martyr spec, his DPS is not high, and most importantly, he was not even using Martyr.


i was saying it was martyr spec because of knaughty's spec mention during the martyr tanking and vengance tanking
I think we are having a language barrier issue. I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. He's got a PoJ spec, if he was looking to maximize Martyr, he'd have reckoning and be using Broken Promise. He did not use Martyr at all that fight.
moduspwnens
Sun Apr 05, 2009 4:37 am

Re: martyr spec better? WTF?

Took me like, a full 30 seconds to realize what Martyr was. I thought we all agreed that we'd call them SoB and SoV! Racists...
Minnerva
Sun Apr 05, 2009 5:11 am

Re: martyr spec better? WTF?

never mind i re did my math and the threat per second is actually lower than an average paladin. so why would he go for conviction instead of the first tier holy 5 points?
Arnock
Sun Apr 05, 2009 5:12 am

Re: martyr spec better? WTF?

moduspwnens wrote:Took me like, a full 30 seconds to realize what Martyr was. I thought we all agreed that we'd call them SoB and SoV! Racists...
Minnerva
Sun Apr 05, 2009 5:14 am

Re: martyr spec better? WTF?

moduspwnens wrote:Took me like, a full 30 seconds to realize what Martyr was. I thought we all agreed that we'd call them SoB and SoV! Racists...


sorry i called it blood in my guild and kept getting corrected to the alliance version so it got stuck.
Fridmarr
Sun Apr 05, 2009 5:52 am

Re: martyr spec better? WTF?

Minnerva wrote:never mind i re did my math and the threat per second is actually lower than an average paladin. so why would he go for conviction instead of the first tier holy 5 points?

SotP and Conviction are about the same in terms of TPS. Take a look at Theckd's MATLAB post in the advanced training forum for more accurate data.
Majiben
Sun Apr 05, 2009 6:16 am

Re: martyr spec better? WTF?

SotP is better for a lower geared tank and Conviction edges out ahead with a very well geared tank.
MonkH
Sun Apr 05, 2009 9:10 pm

Re: martyr spec better? WTF?

isnt crusade ret talent better than first points in holy tree 2% increased all dmg, rather than 3% increased dmg per point

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sZ0xVAbuRteIRhots0hbM

3% crit + 4% all dmg increased vs 15% increased seal dmg which makes up very little of ur total dmg?