Glyphs in 3.1

Solare

Tue Mar 24, 2009 9:23 pm

Glyphs in 3.1

Just curious what everyone will be taking. For general applications, I currently use Seal of Vengeance, Righteous Defense, and Judgement glyphs. But the new Divine Plea glyph seems like a no-brainer, considering it's potential uptime. And considering how little of my total damage (and threat) comes from Judgements, and about our threat increase from 3/3 Crusade, I think it's time to put it away.

What does the community say?

Dorvan

Tue Mar 24, 2009 9:25 pm

Re: Gyphs in 3.1

I'm planning on running DP + the top 2 TPS glyphs (I never really liked the RD glyph, and won't miss it). Based on current numbers, that amounts to:

Divine Plea
SoV
Judgment

Solare

Wed Mar 25, 2009 12:06 am

Re: Gyphs in 3.1

I've always loved the RD glyph. Considering that our taunt has a spell based miss chance of 16% or 17% (I can never tell anymore), we have to deal unfairly with a higher overall miss on our taunt as opposed to warriors, whose taunt is sat squarely at the melee cap of 8%. Maybe they changed Righteous Defense to work off melee cap, but I doubt it. And frankly, without this glyph, the miss chance is really too high for me to ignore.

Marklevin

Wed Mar 25, 2009 12:35 am

Re: Gyphs in 3.1

Solare wrote: For general applications, I currently use Seal of Vengeance, Righteous Defense, and Judgement glyphs. But the new Divine Plea glyph seems like a no-brainer, considering it's potential uptime. And considering how little of my total damage (and threat) comes from Judgements, and about our threat increase from 3/3 Crusade, I think it's time to put it away.

Majiben

Wed Mar 25, 2009 12:41 am

Re: Gyphs in 3.1

Solare wrote:we have to deal unfairly with a higher overall miss on our taunt as opposed to warriors, whose taunt is sat squarely at the melee cap of 8%.

Well that's wrong. All taunts work off the spell hit chance.

EDIT: Didn't mean to come off sounding so harsh.

Fridmarr

Wed Mar 25, 2009 1:31 am

Re: Gyphs in 3.1

I'll run the DP glyph and Salvation most likely. Not sure yet on the third.

Worldie

Wed Mar 25, 2009 2:04 am

Re: Gyphs in 3.1

DP absolutely.

Remaining 2 still got no idea, will bother when we get final patch notes since they keep changing them every 2 days.

Gamingdevil

Wed Mar 25, 2009 12:08 pm

Re: Gyphs in 3.1

I'm with Dorvan on this one. Not having RD glyph might be annoying at times, but I won't really miss it.

Khayne

Wed Mar 25, 2009 12:19 pm

Re: Gyphs in 3.1

I atm think DP and SoV.

not sure on 3rd, might grab salvation, depending on the encounters and our raid dps scaling.
I think i'll just run judgement on that 3rd slot while i wait for seeing an encounter where i want salvation glyph.

I will try 1/2 SA spec though, so if the mana isn't totally right, might grab SA glyph to that 3rd slot and see if it's cool then. But i think i won't need to do that.

RD glyph is as good as gone, i rarely use RD anyway, and the only fight where resist on taunt can screw me really over atm is 4 horsemen, and that's an encounter where RD is not too hot for other reasons allready. I rather use more of my tanking gear with +hit on that fight.

Jasari

Wed Mar 25, 2009 12:31 pm

Re: Gyphs in 3.1

Solare wrote:I've always loved the RD glyph. Considering that our taunt has a spell based miss chance of 16% or 17% (I can never tell anymore), we have to deal unfairly with a higher overall miss on our taunt as opposed to warriors, whose taunt is sat squarely at the melee cap of 8%. Maybe they changed Righteous Defense to work off melee cap, but I doubt it. And frankly, without this glyph, the miss chance is really too high for me to ignore.

All taunts are based on spell miss chance... I know someone else already corrected you, I just wanted to make sure it was clear since it's a fairly important distinction.

As for me,

I'll go DP for sure, and then not sure on the last two. Probably SoV and Judgement, but I could see myself taking HoSalv depending on what the though encounters look like.

theckhd

Wed Mar 25, 2009 3:39 pm

Re: Gyphs in 3.1

I'm probably going to go DP + SoV + Judgement. However, depending on how the encounters in Ulduar look, I may swap Judgement out for RD (if there are a lot of tank-swapping fights), since Judgement is such a weak threat glyph. On the other hand, if we're nearly soft-capped on Expertise in Ulduar gear due to the off-set items, I'd swap out the SoV glyph (since it'd be worse than the Judgement one in that scenario).

The HoSalv glyph is one I'm still torn on. I like the utility of another cooldown, but I don't like having to settle for the threat reduction to get it. If it's not absolutely needed on any fights, I will probably avoid it, especially since it seems clear to me it was never intended to be another tank cooldown.

I have at least one tank of each variety at my disposal for Ulduar though, so it's easy enough for me as a raid leader to not take the glyph and just make the DK tank the badly-designed cooldown fights. Especially since with Dual-Spec he no longer has the excuse that his DPS is better than mine when not tanking.

Solare

Wed Mar 25, 2009 10:09 pm

Re: Gyphs in 3.1

Majiben wrote:Well that's wrong. All taunts work off the spell hit chance.

EDIT: Didn't mean to come off sounding so harsh.

That's pretty contrary to what my warrior counterparts have informed me. And most warrior theorycrafting sites I've read are incredibly biased pieces of literature, mostly centered around their threat and dps rotations. Like this post about expertise vs. hit for prot warriors.

http://www.tankingtips.com/2009/01/07/expertise-is-always-better-than-hit/

Frankly, I found it irresponsible that I could find nothing written on the viability of their taunt glyph due to the spell hit nature of their taunt mechanic. Even looking at the glyph itself at wowhead.com in the comments section, no one even thought to mention this fact. So forgive me for being ignorant on the matter when, based on this evidence, the warrior community seems to be rather ignorant of the matter as well.

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=43429#comments

Now that this is over with. Someone mentioned in another post if the Divine Plea glyph will stack with another source of 3% damage reduction. This is fairly important. As, if it doesn't stack, it's a fairly wasted glyph slot. You can be reasonable sure to have a 3% DR, even in a 10-man. It's almost guaranteed in a full 25-man.

Thoughts?

Ascendant

Wed Mar 25, 2009 11:33 pm

Re: Gyphs in 3.1

Hand of salv looks good. you can use taunt to negate the threat drop, the only worry I have is it's viability being only 20% damage reduction for 10 seconds. The way things are looking I will use:

Divine plea
Seal of Vengeance / Hand of salvation (undecided)
Hammer of the Righteous

Knaughty

Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:02 am

Re: Gyphs in 3.1

Didn't the ability to keep DP up for extended periods of time get removed?

I haven't logged on to the beta in a couple of weeks...

3% "semi-always up" is awesome verging on OP.

3% as a clickackble CD is crap verging on useless.

Majiben

Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:24 am

Re: Gyphs in 3.1

DP should be up 100% as long as you're fighting and have 2/2 GbtL.