Seals of the Pure vs Conviction

If you know what to engage and how to play smart, a PvE-specced and equipped protection paladin still can be a formidable force on any battlefield. Especially with enemy players not used to seeing a tank in PvP - hello rogues stupid enough to attack . I fondly remember an AB where I held 8 players at the blacksmith for two minutes while the rest took all the bases around in the meantime.

Anyway, I went with conviction, to grab the extra 3/6 % threat and damage from crusade.

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Die+Aldor&n=Ythalaine

If it's worth it in one-handed spec, it's worth it in crusade. As for seals of the pure... I begrudge not being able to dump the 5 points from reckoning into it. If that were possible, I'd be 100% content.
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Dropping AD is a big no no. As is not getting 1/2 imp judgement. I assume you are running with a ret paladin 100% of your raid time and that's why you didn't pick up HotC or Kings. If you don't run with a ret pally you should definetly get those talents. If I was absolutely set on getting crusader I would go with a 0/54/17 build. The major issue is that crusader is too deep in ret. We have to sacrafice too much to get it. Also it's only as good as 1hs on some mobs, on the others it is half as effective.
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Majiben
If we wanted Ret to be a joke, we would have just left the tree as it was, and maybe kicked it a little for good measure. -GC

I'm 3/5 conviction atm. To me its no contest. I suspect its a TPS boost (which I don't particularly need) but more importantly its a DPS boost. I got several 6.7K shield slam crits in Naxx this week. I see hammer crits of over 2K and perhaps 3K (this with a lvl 187 blue sword).

In heroics I often run SoW in order to not have to drink and be able to chain pull and consecrate and hammer as much as possible and in that situation the crit is much preferable.

I'll have to do another look at recount in Naxx when I'm running SoV (corruption) but last time I looked in Naxx seals and judgments were such a miniscule amount of my dps that helping them does very little in comparison to getting higher chance at 7K shield slams.

If your gear sucks bad then Seals of the Pure is probably pretty huge for you. But once you get some nice block value and a nice tanking weapon I really don't think it is any contest, crit all the way.

I'm using the 5 points in Conviction as well and I'm really enjoying the results.

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/paladin/talents.html?tal=000000000000000000000000000050053503310251533312321511300500000000000000000000

With the nerfs to judgments in general, IF there is a tps difference from conviction to seals of the pure it's basically insignificant.

Am I the only one that thinks neither of these talents belong in a prot paladin build?

I don't think I would accept a prot paladin specced like that on my raid team.