Block Value .. numbers off?

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Block Value .. numbers off?

Postby Saladin » Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:51 pm

Hey all.. quick question..

Myself and a warrior were testing out block values.. on the first mobs in heroic sethekk.. lvl 70 elites..

I tried it with 498 BV and my combat log showed blocked value of 538

when i popped autoblocker my BV was 758 .. but combat log showed 798 blocked each hit..

so a flat difference of 40 each time.. can anyone tell me why this difference occurs or if anyone else faces the same problem?.. the warr also said he was blocking for more than what he was supposed to..

my BV was calculated as (item BV total + str BV total)*1.3
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Postby Mahale » Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:57 pm

only thing I can think of is strength maybe?
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Postby Maulininis » Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:10 pm

As far as maths goes, I suck so I'm not gonna bother looking at the numbers. But I would guess that the gain from using your Auto-blocker is affected by the Shield Specialization talent.
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Postby Chevalier » Wed Jul 04, 2007 6:58 pm

Guys look:
my BV was calculated as (item BV total + str BV total)*1.3

He's got both in there
Maybe 40 is the flat number w/o having block value /shrug
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Postby Myotis » Wed Jul 04, 2007 7:34 pm

Make some tests with no items equip at all, using a Dented Buckler.

( I do not have any acess to WoW at the moment, else I would have tried that ;) )
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Postby adese » Wed Jul 04, 2007 7:34 pm

Chevalier wrote:Guys look:
my BV was calculated as (item BV total + str BV total)*1.3


That's not quite the formula for BV. According to WoWWiki, it's:

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(Item BV total * 1.3) + ((Strength / 20) - 1)


Maybe that will yield the same number as your combat log?

Chevalier wrote:Maybe 40 is the flat number w/o having block value /shrug


I don't think so. I started a newbie Shammy recently, and he had a shield equipped. When he blocked, it was for 1 damage, which is the amount of block value on the shield itself.
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Re: Block Value .. numbers off?

Postby Myotis » Wed Jul 04, 2007 8:00 pm

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(Item BV total * 1.3) + ((Strength / 20) - 1)


Saladin wrote:my BV was calculated as (item BV total + str BV total)*1.3


Which means that he over evaluated his block value. His number is actually higher. Using the wiki formula will yield an even lower number...

By "str BV total" do you mean the "Increases block" on the strength tooltip ?
What are you getting if you use the wikipedia formula ?
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Postby Jensaarai » Wed Jul 04, 2007 11:58 pm

Just use TankPoints xD or read the number in your combat log...that is your block value, no matter what your calculations tell you :P
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Postby Lore » Thu Jul 05, 2007 6:24 am

Were you using a mod to calculate your expected block value, or just adding up the numbers on your character sheet?
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Postby Sabindeus » Thu Jul 05, 2007 8:57 am

Yeah your talent only multiplies your block value from "Increases your shield's block value" and your Shield's actual Block Value. Block value gained from Strength doesn't get multiplied.

Why it's higher than you expected I don't know... maybe you missed some socket bonuses or something?
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Postby Saladin » Thu Jul 05, 2007 12:03 pm

<--------------- is a nub

i didnt add up the bonus BV on my shield.. and the wiki forumla is spot on. apparently bonus to BV from str doesnt get a 30% bonus from shield spec
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Postby Prepared » Thu Jul 05, 2007 1:07 pm

Saladin wrote:apparently bonus to BV from str doesnt get a 30% bonus from shield spec


That makes me a sad panda. :\
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Postby Sabindeus » Thu Jul 05, 2007 1:15 pm

Prepared wrote:
Saladin wrote:apparently bonus to BV from str doesnt get a 30% bonus from shield spec


That makes me a sad panda. :\


Yeah, it sucks for warriors more though.
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Postby Prepared » Fri Jul 06, 2007 7:58 am

Sabindeus wrote:
Prepared wrote:
Saladin wrote:apparently bonus to BV from str doesnt get a 30% bonus from shield spec


That makes me a sad panda. :\


Yeah, it sucks for warriors more though.


It was probably put this way because of warriors. Strength workin for AP (damage/white threat), BV (mitigation, and Shield Slam (dmg + yellow threat), whereas for us all it does, primarily, is increase BV. The AP is almost laughable, which is why I can't wait to ditch all the +strength on my current gear.
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Postby Lowgrus » Fri Jul 06, 2007 9:46 am

So thats what block value does haha I always just thought it was useless. Well in a way I guess it kind of is other than to be uncrushable I just always prefer more dodge. So from what I'm understanding block value is how much damage you reduce when you block? Like if a mob hits you for 2k normally and you have say 700 block value and you block it will hit you for 1300? Also does block rating/value or whatever it is also add to your percent chance to block? If so I'll definitly be getting auto blocker 600 until I get my moroes lucky pocket watch.

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