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Re: Coming back after 2 years and now I'm just floored...

Postby Nooska » Tue Apr 29, 2014 11:33 am

While I won't argue that you don't have a point, its also the bad argument of "special snowflake" - the main difference with the current legendary and the previous, is that this is already available to all (even if I started today I would be almost guaranteed to have it before next expansion) - the olde ronese were never "welfare legendaries".
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Re: Coming back after 2 years and now I'm just floored...

Postby Worldie » Tue Apr 29, 2014 12:36 pm

It would still require you 3 month(ish) of constantly running lots of LFR on top of rep grinds and all.
Making the items 100% drop would mean that the only thing stopping you from getting the cloak in 2 week for no effort at all is the valor cockblock.

While the item is there readily available for everyone, it does STILL require effort and dedication to obtain it in reasonable time.
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Re: Coming back after 2 years and now I'm just floored...

Postby Nooska » Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:57 pm

up it to 33% then, would still make you run it multiple times, though right now, you could still get it on week 2+ valor requirement.
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Re: Coming back after 2 years and now I'm just floored...

Postby Worldie » Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:04 pm

That would require an insane amount of luck with droprates :P

As far as I know the current droprate is around 20-25%, with two guaranteed secrets/runestones per week.

Took my Paladin approximately 2 months and half to complete the item, with average droprate (6-8 secrets per week, 4 runestones each week). Seembs matching with all other legendaries in game (aside from the RNG only from Vanilla/TBC)
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Re: Coming back after 2 years and now I'm just floored...

Postby Amirya » Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:47 pm

Unless I missed something, though, the really big difference between this legendary and previous ones are that in the previous ones, you weren't automatically eligible to start working on the legendary just because you hit level cap. Now, if they done something similar to the rogue legendary (do some other legwork first, to prove you deserve it) and then made the pieces have a decent drop rate, that's different.

As it is, if I wanted to be a major dick, I could take my woefully undergeared mistweaver, load her up with random gear to get her to LFR ilvl minimum, and just run it each week without either fulfilling my role and/or doing a decent job of it. 'Cause after all, I proved my worth to Wrathion by hitting level cap.
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Re: Coming back after 2 years and now I'm just floored...

Postby Worldie » Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:04 am

Tecnically both Cataclysm legendaries also just required you to hit level 85. Well ok, you had to kill a trash in Firelands to start Dragonwrath chain)
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Re: Coming back after 2 years and now I'm just floored...

Postby Skye1013 » Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:57 am

Worldie wrote:Well ok, you had to kill a trash in Firelands to start Dragonwrath chain)

And do normally questionable activities mid-fight in other portions...
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Re: Coming back after 2 years and now I'm just floored...

Postby Thels » Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:12 am

We're stuck in MoP for another 5-8 months. You can easily complete it in less than that. Why would they make it a 100% drop and have people "done" with the content within a month, when they could use the legendary cloak to lure players into playing a few more months?
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Re: Coming back after 2 years and now I'm just floored...

Postby Amirya » Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:40 am

Skye1013 wrote:
Worldie wrote:Well ok, you had to kill a trash in Firelands to start Dragonwrath chain)

And do normally questionable activities mid-fight in other portions...

Beth'tilac!

That was fun.
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Re: Coming back after 2 years and now I'm just floored...

Postby Worldie » Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:46 am

expecially when the boss decided to step right on top of the item making it unclickable.
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Re: Coming back after 2 years and now I'm just floored...

Postby Yelena » Wed Apr 30, 2014 1:17 pm

Amirya wrote:As it is, if I wanted to be a major dick, I could take my woefully undergeared mistweaver, load her up with random gear to get her to LFR ilvl minimum, and just run it each week without either fulfilling my role and/or doing a decent job of it. 'Cause after all, I proved my worth to Wrathion by hitting level cap.

That's pretty much how FaiLFR has been since the day 4.3 went live, legendary or not.
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Re: Coming back after 2 years and now I'm just floored...

Postby Worldie » Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:38 pm

What she meant is that while for previous legendaryes at current content you were required to have a raiding guild and be trusted by them with the quest items (or be able to organize high quality pugs every week and reserve them), with the cloaks the legendary is open to anyone who has enough braincells to queue for LFR.


In fact, the Cloaks will be the first legendary to be harder to acquire after the current gets outdated.
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Re: Coming back after 2 years and now I'm just floored...

Postby Yelena » Wed Apr 30, 2014 6:07 pm

Worldie wrote:In fact, the Cloaks will be the first legendary to be harder to acquire after the current gets outdated.

I agree to a point, more in the context that you can basically AFK 90% of the cloak now, which effectively makes it the easiest legendary to acquire currently (relative to current content, of course). Personally, I don't feel that having legendary drops obtainable in LFR was the best idea Blizzard has ever had, but having the questline span the entire expansion likely didn't leave them with a whole lot of choice otherwise.

That being said, I don't think the cloaks will become any harder to acquire than any other legendary has been, after their relevant content became outdated.
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Re: Coming back after 2 years and now I'm just floored...

Postby Passionario » Thu May 08, 2014 1:40 am

Patch 5.4.8 PTR wrote:http://wowhead.com/news=237715/patch-5-4-8-ptr-build-18224-spell-changes

Gaze of the Black Prince: Increases reputation gained with the Black Prince by 100%. Increases the chances his most hated foes will relinquish their Secrets of the Empire, Sigil of Wisdom, Sigil of Power, or Titan Runestones.

I wonder if it will be a global thing or something for those who already have cloaks to accelerate their alts' progression.
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Re: Coming back after 2 years and now I'm just floored...

Postby Thels » Thu May 08, 2014 3:13 am

WoD seems to be having a similar legendary questline, that is going to be a lot easier on your alts.

From the way I understood it, if one of your characters has done one of the long chains (such as 2x10 Sigils, 6000 Valor, 20 Secrets, 12 Runestones), all your other characters can skip that part of the legendary questline. Oneshot parts, such as guaranteed single drops from specific raid bosses and quests out in the world must still be done on all characters. So you still have to do a lot of work on your alt (which is only reasonable), but you're not stuck farming something for a few weeks, and can rush through.

For clarity's sake: This applies to similar legendaries in WoD. It will NOT apply retro-actively to the MoP cloaks.
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Re: Coming back after 2 years and now I'm just floored...

Postby Brute » Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:42 am

How do you do the legendary questline with no friends? Maybe it seems like an odd question in an MMO, but seriously, I'm in basically a 1-person guild and don't know anyone in the game anymore, and found out I couldn't solo the orc guy in Karasang Wilds. So I'm stuck?
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Re: Coming back after 2 years and now I'm just floored...

Postby Worldie » Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:09 pm

You can just you know, ask in trade. Eventually you find someone on the step.
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