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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Rascaile » Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:48 pm

Hey there!
Used to be pretty active reader here when my paladin tank was my main, but not-so-much since I rerolled. I did read up that the 4-set is *ridiculously* good for both damage and survival for protection, so when comparing same-ilvl pieces I'd be pretty sure on taking the set pieces.

However, if you check out my armory you'll see my current situation. I have 2-set from shoulders and chest, then Heroic warforged hands, warforged legs and warforged head.

I recently acquired the normal tier leg token, and I'm assuming that if I got the normal head token (and thus 4-set) it will result in a big upgrade, despite the 2 WF->normal downgrades and not particularly amazing stats. Is this correct?

And if so, would it be an upgrade to replace the HC WF hands with tier hands if I got that token first? If so, only for the heroic token or even for the normal one?
Or is that all so much in the ballpark that it doesn't really matter?

Other than that, if you see anything out of the ordinary on my character page please point it out. I haven't run my character through askMrRobot but have switched around some gems (for example the 320exp in my ring instead of 160exp/160haste) to get better reforge results, but I'm not sure if it's optimal so any help is appreciated!

EDIT: oke so I did run it through askmrRobot quickly, I missed some obvious enchants (and bought a wrong leg armor, woops) which I'll fix soon. It's also telling me to forego any strength socket bonus on red sockets for pure haste. These I can all wrap my head around pretty easy and I'll change all that soon. However it is also telling me to go for 480 stamina JC-only gems. Is this correct?

After changing up a bit, the only differences with askMrRobot are these 2:
Using 2xJC-haste + 2x haste/stam gems instead of 2xJC-stam and 2xhaste gems (same socket boni).
I'm going for more dodge and less parry, because the macro I have from theck is telling me that's closer to my optimal ratio. (can trade 1.2k of dodge in favor of parry, other stats remain the same). This macro is still correct?
Code: Select all
/run ChatFrame1:AddMessage(format("Ideal pre-dr parry/dodge ratio: 3.597, yours is %.3f%%, if too high reforge more parry to dodge",(GetParryChance()-3.67)/(GetDodgeChance()-5.01)))


Thanks in advance
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Thels » Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:47 am

The 4 piece bonus is VERY good. You might consider taking HC Warforged pieces over LFR tier pieces, but 4 set at the normal quality beats all.

AskMrRobot is a tool, not a guide! It comes up with some numbers out of the box that aren't too far off track, but might not fit with your current gear, talents and playstyle. If you want accurate results from AMR, Sim your own character first!

Download from http://simulationcraft.org/
Extract and run.
Go to the import tab, copy your armory link in the URL at the bottom (you do NOT need to log in, so I recommend not to), and click Import at the bottom right.
Go to the options tab, and the globals subtab. Change the TMI Standard Boss to T16H25, the TMI Window to 6, and the TMI Actor-only to Enabled. You can change some other options here as well, such as iterations and threads.
Go to the scaling subtab and change Scale Over to TMI. Be sure to enable all weights that would have any impact.
Click Simulate at the bottom right, then go take a coffee break, as it may take a while.

Eventually, it'll complete, and give you proper weights that fit your character's gear and talents (though maybe not playstyle). Fill those weights into AMR, and then check and see what AMR advises.

If you want to be sure if an item is an upgrade over another item, go to AMR, change your gear and gems around, click SimC at the far right, and copy the entire block of text.
Go back to SimCraft, to the Simulate tab, and paste the text in either an existing or a new tab, then simulate again to compare your new TMI to the old one.

As for Jewelcrafting, it's in a crappy position right now. Secondary stat gems are so good in MoP, not because secondary stats are so amazing, but because you get twice the amount of stats. Jewelcrafting however only gives you once the amount of stats extra, so the jewelcrafting perk is bigger on primary stat gems than secondary stat gems. This forces jewelcrafters to use primary stat gems to get the maximum out of their profession, which makes them fall behind on other professions.

Dodge is usually better than parry for us, even though dodge is on a higher DR, because we get so much parry from strength. However, since both dodge and parry are poor stats for paladins, we usually don't care and reforge out of both of them. If both are present on a piece, reforge whatever there is more of, as it gives you more Haste.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Rascaile » Tue Apr 29, 2014 8:18 am

Ok so will replace head with any token, hands if they're flex or better. (probably only running normal or heroic anyway on this character)

And I'm already pretty sceptical about askMrRobot - I'm not taking that one for granted! Although since the protection preset is made by Theck, I have more trust in it in this case than for many other classes/specs (priest presets were/are pretty horrible for example).
And yea, I know about that issue with the jc gems, it's quite silly :<
Changing the gems the way AskMrRobot tell me to compared to my current setup would make me lose 640 haste but gain 720 stamina. My amount of health seemed alright for now so i'll stick with the haste, maybe if I get some groups for further heroics I'll lean towards extra stamina, depending on how it goes.

Thanks for the quick runthrough on the tankadin setup for SimC. My simc has been gathering dust lately but I know how it works, the TMI seems interesting to play with so I'll do that and use the stat weights. Another tool that's been pretty useless for my priest :)

Lots of appreciation for the quick help man, I'll let you know if I have any more questions!
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Fath » Tue Jul 15, 2014 4:00 pm

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/area-52/Joxxr/simple

Mr robot has me hemming like this but every pally i see has 320 haste gems everywhere .. is mr robot wrong ?
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Thels » Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:24 am

Your link doesn't work. Also, /advanced is preferable over /simple.

Yellow and prismatic sockets are easy. 320 haste all the way.

If you are reforging pieces towards expertise that could be reforged towards haste instead, use haste/expertise gems in red sockets. So late in the expansion, that's not likely to happen. (The same could be said for blue sockets and hit, but that's even less likely.)

Other than that, it depends on the socket bonus. If the socket bonus is good, use Haste/Expertise in red sockets, and Haste/Stamina in blue sockets (or Haste/Hit in the unlikely case where you can reforge the hit away). If the socket bonus is not good, use 320 Haste.

Begs the question of course what qualifies as a good socket. If you need to use a Haste/Expertise gem to get a 60 Haste socket bonus, you'll likely end up reforging the 160 excess Expertise to Mastery somewhere, so you're effectively trading 100 Haste for 160 Mastery. Now if the socket bonus was 120 Haste, it would be a different story.

If you're a Jewelcrafter, using 2x 480 stamina could definitely be worth it, but try to find the two best socket bonuses that this will net you.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby xdflames » Thu Aug 07, 2014 5:57 pm

I have two pieces of gear that I'm trying to figure out which one is better.

On one hand, I have a Heroic Warforged Encapsulated Essence of Immerseus. On the other, I have a Heroic Siegecrafter's Forge Hammer. Would the baby rattle be better based upon the 6 item level?

Going with the Siegecrafter's Forge Hammer, I would loose parry and dodge (whatever), ~500 DPS on my weapon and gain ~500 haste and ~700 mastery.

Is 500 DPS better than 500 Haste and Mastery?

Thoughts?

Edit: My armory, if it helps any.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Righteous » Fri Aug 08, 2014 3:26 am

If it was me, I'd take the hammer over the baby rattle and do the following:

1) AMR - use low stamina setting and set haste cap to 21250 or 20500 if using haste/armor elixirs. I know your guild is 10m so I dont think there is a need for going for stamina. SoO just doesn't hit hard enough. You gain 3% haste without the hammer (on my phone so kind of a pain to change).

2) I only would use Holy Avenger over DP for soloing malk blood rage. Your SoTR uptime will be higher. If you feel more comfortable with HA then to each his own.

3) Since you seem interested in increasing DPS have you tried going Haste(50%) > Crit > Mastery? I am almost unkillable unless I screw up badly anyways and I find my dps has increased quite a bit plus those EF crits can come in handy.

Im on the same server as you! Welcome to hit me up and we can talk prot pally if you want.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Pains » Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:27 am

Hi all

any advice for my alt protadin? going to be tanking garrosh 10 man normal tonight want to make sure that i am all good for it, my gear is quite low (542) but i think i should be able to handle it.

here's the most recent log that i have on my paladin, i only tanked shamans with the 3 tank tactic (our raid is extremely under geard so took it easy with the shamans) http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-o ... 206&e=9593

my gear on my paladin = http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/n ... n/advanced

i have a terrible shield/trinket, i swapped out ji-kun's rising winds for the zandalar trinket for a bit extra haste and the 35k heal on ji-kun's trinket seems pretty useless lol but yeah both are terrible just though the zandalar would be better.

we will also be 2 healing the fight if possible, should i take the prot legendary just encase i get spiked by garrosh?

ty in advance
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Worldie » Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:13 am

Garrosh Normal easily melees for > 60% of a tank's hp (even more sometimes) so if you aren't using the Prot cloak you are demanding to be squished.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Pains » Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:57 am

Worldie wrote:Garrosh Normal easily melees for > 60% of a tank's hp (even more sometimes) so if you aren't using the Prot cloak you are demanding to be squished.


cheers got the cloak earlier hope tonight goes well xD
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Thels » Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:42 pm

Assuming you're 2 tanking him, try to get your co-tank to taunt off you the moment his debuffs disappear. The higher they stack, the more damage you take, obviously.

542 is a tad on the low side. Since it's the end of the raid, you're expected to be decked out in gear from the rest of the raid, which should net you at least 553, not counting VP buffs. However, if you're playing properly, and your healers are decent, it should be ok.

The Zandalari trinket is not that bad, actually. Haste is a pretty good stat. Though if you're behind on gear, and being carried by strong healers, stamina is always your best choice.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Pains » Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:00 pm

Healing on me was pretty good, did get gimped a couple of times due to me failing and not using cd's/having EF up on warsong took a big 460k hit and had a couple of add hits on me.

here's the log from tonight if you can spot any improvements i can make that would be great! :)

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-0tmwlvqvwuy834qu/

I took Holy prism for most the fights (tested out lights hammer) find that it's more fitting for the burst damage and helping out the healers done some insane heals on some fights.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Thels » Wed Aug 13, 2014 3:08 am

Holy Prism is especially nice for picking up adds, as it's burst. It does require more GCDs, but as long as you don't push back CS, J or AS+GC, it doesn't really matter.

And yeah, use some CDs for those Warsongs. Do you have 1 tank on boss, 1 tank on adds? You might notice that the boss tank also gets adds aggro. A way to handle this is to switch whoever is tanking the boss right when the adds come in, as the previous boss tank will have plenty of vengeance to pick up those adds, and the other tank can then simply taunt the boss.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Pains » Fri Aug 15, 2014 2:37 am

Looks like i will be healing it tonight, cheers for the advice guys great help.
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