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THE paladin race?

Postby bldavis » Thu Jan 16, 2014 1:00 am

I know we have the Alliance Paladin Pride thread, and I recall a similar one for horde
but I am curious...

in your opinions...what is the proper paladin race?
is there lore for a race you do or don't like?
do you agree with the racial choices so far when a new race joins us as brother/sister warriors for the light?
what race do you think should join the fold?
what race would cause you to hang up the cause of righteousness for good if they were allowed to call themselves paladin (or racial equivalent)?
what spec/role do you see each of the races most comfortable with?

just for reference, at time of posting, there are current 5 races that can be the paladin class
Alliance:
Human
Dwarf
Draenei

Horde:
Blood Elf
Tauren

i am curious to see the answers and opinions this will get in response! :twisted:
edit: changed wording on one of the questions hopefully for more clarity and added another question to the list
Last edited by bldavis on Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:29 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: THE paladin race?

Postby Era » Thu Jan 16, 2014 1:34 am

in your opinions...what is the proper paladin race?

Human. Uther and so on. I love the Uther story, as well as Tirion and Arthas' story. Delicious lore.

is there lore for a race you do or don't like?

Currently it's all good imo. I feel they integrated Tauren sunwalkers pretty well.

do you agree with the racial choices when a new race joins us as brother/sister warriors for the light?

Like, do I agree with the races that have currently been given access to paladin class? If so, then yes, it's all good so far. I wasn't around when Horde first got pallies though (and Alliance shamans), I imagine there might've been some controversy? :roll:

what race do you think should join the fold?

Purely because of aesthetics, I'd like to see orcs. I like orcs. But because of lore, I think the most likely candidate will (kind of ironically) be the Forsaken. Which is also kind of cool.

what race would cause you to hang up the cause of righteousness for good if they were allowed to call themselves paladin (or racial equivalent)?

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Re: THE paladin race?

Postby KysenMurrin » Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:20 am

Personal bias: Dwarves are the best everything.
Lorewise: Draenei and Humans are the quintessential Paladin races, and I think Draenei edge Humans out slightly because they're taught by the living embodiment of the Light.

I think the Tauren paladins are a bit... iffy, since they kind of had to shoehorn them in with this "not really a Paladin, but identical" thing, but I don't have a big issue with them.

I don't really think there's any need to expand the races at this point, but I wouldn't mind seeing Gnome, Orc, Troll, or Forsaken Paladins. Don't think there's any I'd totally object to, although Goblin would be near-impossible to pull off convincingly.
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Re: THE paladin race?

Postby Fetzie » Thu Jan 16, 2014 3:52 am

Era wrote:I don't like them. Sorry Worldie, I know you've got a thing for the gnomes. :P


Quite a lot of Worldie's characters are now Blood Elfs :)

I think the "iconic" paladin race has to be Human. Uther, Arthas (before he went cuckoo), The Silver Hand etc.

I think the most interesting paladin race is the Blood Elfs. They took on the class, but didn't try to copy the Alliance version of the Paladin, with all that righteousness and justice mumbo-jumbo. The sheer arrogance of using a Naaru to get their powers totally fits with the whole "the end justifies the means" philosophy of the Sin'dorei.
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Re: THE paladin race?

Postby bldavis » Thu Jan 16, 2014 4:12 am

might as well reply to my own thread..

i personally agree with Kysen in that dwarf ANYTHING are awesome, esp when you add in the other clans..
but THE paladin race for me is the original paladins of the silver hand, the humans.

as for racial lore i do and dont like
do -
Draenei - they were taught by the Naruu..you know, the angels of this cosmos..
Dwarves - long time allies of the Humans, and also fellow order of the silver hand members (iirc)
and honestly, Blood Elves - i dont like how they became Blood Knights, but i like the reason WHY they did. it was for the continuation of their people and they did what they felt they had to

do NOT -
tauren - dont get me wrong, i love the sunwalkers...but tauren paladin and priest lore makes me think they are just the day version of druids..
they worship the sun, druids worship the moon. i mean ffs, the Nelf priests all worship the moon as well...very strong tie to druidism there, and not so much to the Light.

as for agreeing with already put in place paladins, i am glad there is a more religious plate wearing option for tauren, just seems to fit the race, and the others i all like the lore behind so ..so far yes i do

race i think should join the fold?
i have to say Foresaken for a number of reasons
1 - give both factions 3 paladin races (at the same time, gnome shamans...please give us gnome shamans)
2 - most foresaken are former Lorederan citizens, a hub of paladin activity
3 - foresaken can already be priests
4 - Sir Zellek, the only paladin righteous enough to maintain his paladin powers after being raised. could be an example to all foresaken paladins
5 - tying into #3 and #4, human and dwarf paladins evolved from clerics and priests who put on armor for more protection, and warriors who found the light for the same reason. the foresaken have priests and warriors, and as a race should be familiar with the light.

side note - etheral paladins? i would go for that given the right back story

what race would make me foresake paladins and the path of the light?
goblins is a definite. i love the race and its lore...but no. gob shamans is a MASSIVE stretch, but i can see it happening how they explained.
gob pallies? just no

orcs - orcs throughout both fantasy history and in this universe have been shown as blood frenzied killing machines i cannot see orcs having the patience and calmness to do the meditation and study that is needed to be a paladin.

possibilities for me begrudgingly accepting as new paladin races
panderan - they dont have the Light, but they do have priests. they could have a similar source of power as the tauren sunwalkers

trolls - they have loa priests, and troll druids are supposed to be powerful loa priests. what is to say that they cannot channel that energy into someone in plate armor? it would be a MASSIVE stretch, but i would be ok with it if handled properly

and finally - i have to disagree with Era..
Gnomes as paladins i think would be amazing!
they have learned from the dwarfs how to be priests, and can already weild the weapons of the paladin through their warriors..
and being arguably the smartest (and most absent minded at times) of the azerothian races..i am sure if given enough time, gnome warriors and priests would get together with some of their fellow alliance paladins and learn to be a warrior of the light.

oh and as a note, if something isnt clear in my first post, let me know and i will edit it to hopefully make it more clear what i was intending :D
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Re: THE paladin race?

Postby Fetzie » Thu Jan 16, 2014 4:32 am

4 - Sir Zellek, the only paladin righteous enough to maintain his paladin powers after being raised. could be an example to all foresaken paladins


I was under the impression that the Lich King let Sir Zeliek retain his holy powers as a form of torture.
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Re: THE paladin race?

Postby Shoju » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:17 am

bldavis wrote:in your opinions...what is the proper paladin race?


Trolls.

bldavis wrote:is there lore for a race you do or don't like?


All of them that aren't trolls.

bldavis wrote:do you agree with the racial choices so far when a new race joins us as brother/sister warriors for the light?


Once the VOodoo Shuffle is in, I'm fine.


bldavis wrote:what race do you think should join the fold?


I bet you can't guess the answer here.

Trolls.

bldavis wrote:what race would cause you to hang up the cause of righteousness for good if they were allowed to call themselves paladin (or racial equivalent)?

Worgen. Who the **** Wants to see a dog paladin.
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Re: THE paladin race?

Postby KysenMurrin » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:36 am

Shoju wrote:Worgen. Who the **** Wants to see a dog paladin.

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Re: THE paladin race?

Postby Jezakael » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:59 am

Even though their story isn't as fleshed out as that of the Humans who have several major lore characters (Uther, Tirion,...) I guess Draenei are the Paladin race. They were the first, they learned from beings of pure light directly and have battled the Burning Legion for eons.

Well, Sunwalkers aren't actual Paladins but Sun Druids but I really like them and don't mind them sharing our class.
Blood Elves have an interesting unique backstory which also rules them out as the epitome of paladinity, they are just their own thing.
Dwarves are badass and look cool in plate armour but they seem to have little connection to the light themselves, just being introduced to the concept fairly recently by the Humans.

I was under the impression that the Lich King let Sir Zeliek retain his holy powers as a form of torture.

I don't think that necessarily rules out Forsaken Paladins, it just lets them fill the martyr niche. All current Paladins are just given their awesome powers by praying to the Light/Sunwell/Sun/Naaru, nobody has to really sacrifice anything to gain them. Even though it has been a theme for a long time, see earlier implementations of Seal of Blood for example.
That being said I don't expect Blizzard changing their stance on Forsaken Paladins anytime soon but if they do I'd be happy.
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Re: THE paladin race?

Postby bldavis » Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:10 pm

yes, if you follow the timeline, the draenei were technically first...but the first to be called paladins are the humans and dwarves, which is why i went with them

some of the lore behind undead priests is that they are really tortured because by wielding the light, they are curing themselves of corruption, and through that they gain their human senses back, and can see, taste, smell, hear, and feel just exactly what they are

that is why there are so few undead priests in lore
i would love to see the undead get s story line where they can decide that i will put up with this torture to better serve the light
(personally think that would make them AMAZING ret pallies

oh that is something else i can add!
what spec/role do you see each of the races most comfortable with?

for me,
Humans - ret and holy (so many famous ret pallies (arthas, uther, tyrion) and the first paladins were priests healing on the battlefields who wanted armor to be better protected
dwarves - prot and ret the architype of the dwarven defender is too strong to pass up, but with their skills in combat are the basis of a lot of fantasy tropes, esp in warcraft lore
draenei - holy and prot the paladins of the draenei, the hand of argus, are mostly there to protect the citizens and with the gift of the naruu, i cant help but think they are natural healers as well
belf - prot and holy - they became blood knights to protect and keep their race alive.
and tauren - all 3 honestly - i see them as healers and protectors of the weak, but also willing to go fight against enemies who threaten the peaceful nature
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Re: THE paladin race?

Postby Fetzie » Thu Jan 16, 2014 3:23 pm

You can add retribution to the Blood Knights (and possibly remove holy). The Blood Knights are like the SAS of the Sin'dorei military. They are both sworn to defend Quel'Thalas and the Lord Regent, and are the "elite" troops of the Silvermoon army.
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Re: THE paladin race?

Postby bldavis » Thu Jan 16, 2014 3:26 pm

Fetzie wrote:You can add retribution to the Blood Knights (and possibly remove holy). The Blood Knights are like the SAS of the Sin'dorei military. They are both sworn to defend Quel'Thalas and the Lord Regent, and are the "elite" troops of the Silvermoon army.

you do have a point...
and of all 5 races, i know the least about the blood knights so its nice to learn more of their lore
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Re: THE paladin race?

Postby Sagara » Thu Jan 16, 2014 3:43 pm

bldavis wrote:
Fetzie wrote:You can add retribution to the Blood Knights (and possibly remove holy). The Blood Knights are like the SAS of the Sin'dorei military. They are both sworn to defend Quel'Thalas and the Lord Regent, and are the "elite" troops of the Silvermoon army.

you do have a point...
and of all 5 races, i know the least about the blood knights so its nice to learn more of their lore


Oh brother there is a LOT to tell, from the open assholes of 2.0 all the way to Liadrin once again teaching the virtues of the Light at the Sunwell. Did you know the Blood knight PC might actually be responsible for the corruption of Aurius in Strat? It's a toss up between the PC killing him and burning down the Chapel or Aurius dying against Rivendare.
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Postby Sabindeus » Thu Jan 16, 2014 3:55 pm

Humans are the only true paladins. Dwarves are ok, we like them. Everyone else are just haters who stole our shtick. Even Draenei despite the fact that I like them.
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Postby Arnock » Thu Jan 16, 2014 8:12 pm

Humans are obviously the 'official' paladin race, but I'm honestly a big fan of the blood knight storyline. They started out draining mu'ru(or however you spell it) for their power, but found redemption post-sunwell.

The only race I'm not fond of are tauren. I just thought the whole 'sunwalker' line was a little bit shoehorned, and I honestly think that undead would have opened up a lot more interesting storylines.

Perhaps, after finally exacting revenge on arthas, some of the forsaken could have found themselves lost and directionless, and possibly turned toward the light. I mean, they used to be the nation of Lordaeron, and some of the forsaken must have been priests or paladins while living.

It at least makes more sense to me than druids who worship the sun but are somehow also paladins.
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Postby Sagara » Fri Jan 17, 2014 12:08 am

Arnock wrote:The only race I'm not fond of are tauren. I just thought the whole 'sunwalker' line was a little bit shoehorned, and I honestly think that undead would have opened up a lot more interesting storylines.

Perhaps, after finally exacting revenge on arthas, some of the forsaken could have found themselves lost and directionless, and possibly turned toward the light. I mean, they used to be the nation of Lordaeron, and some of the forsaken must have been priests or paladins while living.

It at least makes more sense to me than druids who worship the sun but are somehow also paladins.


Really like that line of thought on Undead, it could have started an entire foil to the current 'Forsaken is the new Scourge' story.

But on the other hand, I haven't had much of a beef (ahr ahr) against the Sunwalkers. They're not *paladins* in the 'organisation' sense, but the Tauren that turned to the Sun and start looking a whole lot like Paladins are a very interesting topic to discuss on multiple angles.

First, there's the Moon vs Sun dichotomy. Where the Moon is elusive, shifting and savage, the Sun is typically depicted as a constant fixture, unchanging and to a point, civilized. It makes sense for Sun-adoring Tauren to focus on very different aspects of life then their Moon-loving siblings - culture, determination, the unchanging aspects of life.

Second, and more interesting, is the implication that maybe you don't need to have faith in the Light itself to actually tap its power, that actually holding beliefs in line with the Light is sufficient. The Sunwalkers are typically depicted as forces of righteousness, more than the Blood Knights ever were. I'd wager that a Sunwalker hearing about the three Virtues from a priest of the Light would admit that, yes, this is a very sane way of living that hits really close to his order's ethos.

And thirdly, it raises interesting questions about the whole Elune/Naaru shenanigans. Maybe you DO need to have faith in the Light to channel paladin powers, but maybe the Sun is ACTUALLY a vessel of the Light, like our favorite space windchimes. Which could lead to an interesting theory I read about the Elune/Naaru connection - what if it wasn't about Elune being a Naaru, but about a Naaru transforming into Elune?

But to be frank, those questions are much more metaphysical than the Forsaken's much more personal and political storylines, and send us more on a mystic mystery story that isn't exactly standart Warcraft.
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Re: THE paladin race?

Postby bldavis » Fri Jan 17, 2014 12:52 am

that just helps fuel my desire for foresaken paladins
it would help a race find direction, and provide a very nice redemption story line
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Postby Sagara » Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:30 am

Doesn't *have* to be redemption, actually. One thing I really disliked about the Sunwell patch is how apparently every single Blood Elf went from "muwhahaha, let's take revenge on the world!" to "omg we were such pricks, let's atone!"

Races aren't monolithic like that. I can see *some* Forsaken turning to the Light. I can even see them starting their own cult in the Undercity. Hell, I can even see Sylvanas letting the whole thing slide because

a) more powers at her disposal
b) political bargaining chip (See? We're not evil monsters!!)
c) she thinks she can dupe them in being her tools (à la Balnazaar)
z) shred of humanity left in the Queen Bitch of Lordaeron

But I really can't see the entirety of the Forsaken going throught a redemption story. Maybe the individual Paladins, yes, but no the race as a whole. I see those paladins more as a "My species doth protest too much" kind of guy, completely at odds with the rest of the Undercity.
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Postby bldavis » Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:52 am

i meant just individual paladins..not the entire race
the race as a whole i feel is too far gone, and it is only a matter of time before Sylvanis goes down the garrosh rabbit hole and goes from a tolerated leader to hated villain
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Postby Sagara » Fri Jan 17, 2014 2:17 am

Sidetrack-technique.

ALl this got me to think about the Blood Knight announcment we got for WoD. I always thought the current Blood Knight situation was clear and self-sufficient enough to not need further development.
I really wonder what they're thinking about - it feels so left field for the x-pack, apart from the naaru angle...
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Re: THE paladin race?

Postby Fetzie » Fri Jan 17, 2014 3:55 am

I dunno, I'm still not totally convinced about this "Light" thing.

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Re: THE paladin race?

Postby Sagara » Fri Jan 17, 2014 4:22 am

Well, I think we've yet to see a morally gray Blood Knight added since WotLK.

They're either background characters following orders, or decent people overall (if memory serves, it's actually a Blood Knights that calls Garrosh out on his attack of Theramore, and gets a meaty backhand for her troubles).

Although, to be honest, they haven't added that many Blood Knights in the lore anyway...
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Re: THE paladin race?

Postby Kal » Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:15 pm

I view the Paladin traditions as convergent evolutions of religious practice, with restrictions somewhere between Druid and Priest. Player Druids are restricted geographically and temporally to when practitioners had access to the specific teachings of Cenarius, while player Priests are simply the devotees of whatever the local religion is. Paladins are naturally more prolific than Druids, as there are more traditions to choose from, but less common than Priests, as not all religious traditions have led to Paladin traditions.

Another thing I notice is that each Paladin tradition formed in order to meet a pressing need in their respective societies:

Human - The Knights of the Silver Hand formed to strengthen the ranks after the heavy losses of clerics in the Second War.

Dwarf - Though a few Dwarves were Paladins during the Second War, it was the need to recover from the losses of the Third War that brought most Dwarf Paladins to the Silver Hand.

Draenei - I don't know much about them, but my impression is that their military is primarily composed of Paladins. I would guess this reflects their militarized society (due to constant warring) combined with their affinity and proximity to the Light.

Blood Elf - Seemingly betrayed by the Light, the High Elves renamed themselves Blood Elves and formed the Blood Knights, binding M'uru to their will (also seemingly). What I find interesting is that the Paladin tradition already existed in High Elf society, and was only repurposed. I'll have to investigate this further. Anyway one cuts it, they use the Light and are knights devoted to their order and to the well-being of their society. That's Paladin, simply put.

Tauren - This one is the contested one, I see. It's just the newest in my view, which I don't think should negate it's validity one bit. They are not "Sun Druids". They are not any kind of Druid at all. They are Warriors who wield the Light. That's Paladin. Additionally, the formation of the Sunwalkers was a way to preserve Tauren culture and revive reverence of An'she in response to the influence of Night Elf prejudices via the cultural connection of Druidism. Tahu Sagewind abandons Druidism to help former Warrior Aponi Brightmane found the order (they both rerolled).

As for the other races:

Gnomes - Gnomes are a fickle race, not predisposed toward the formation or joining of regimental orders. Since they value individualism so highly, I doubt they would want to be Paladins, even if able to. I wouldn't be surprised if there were a Gnome Paladin NPC or two in the future, but PC Gnome Paladins seem unlikely.

Worgen - I don't know why they can't be Paladins, since other Humans can be. Were there no Paladins in Gilneas to train them?

Pandaren - Since PC Pandaren start on the Wandering Isle, they are restricted to that time and place. I would like to see them too. Other races have learned to be Monks from them, I don't see why they can't learn from us.

Orcs - Orc society doesn't even have Priests. Shamanism dominates so heavily that I doubt any Paladin tradition would form.

Trolls - Darkspear Trolls specifically have shown a high amount of adaptability as a society, e.g. the cessation of cannibalism (wink, wink) after joining the Horde, the synchretization of Cenarion Druidism and loa worship, and the Darkspear Rebellion. I think it's possible they could form their own Paladin order, but what purpose would such an order serve? Loa worship is very well satisfied through shamanistic, and now druidic practices. Also, Troll Priests are not really Holy Light worshipers so much as voodoo practitioners. It's still divine magic, being a direct connection to the spirits, but much less formal than any of the paths to the Light that have Paladins.

Forsaken - Paladins are immune to undeath. Yeah, there are noteworthy exceptions, but that just it, they are exceptional. I would be disappointed if they were allowed to be Paladins.

Goblins - Goblins are selfish, not selfless, so any Paladin order forming within their society is such a stretch that I would probably unsub if it happened. No self-respecting Goblin would want to be a Paladin.
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Re: THE paladin race?

Postby Era » Fri Jan 17, 2014 8:09 pm

On Blood Knights from Wiki:

In the end the wizards devised a process by which the powers of the Light could be transferred to recipients who had not earned such abilities. Instead of feeding upon the naaru's magic, the blood elves would wield the naaru's Light-given powers themselves.


So if the power of the Light can be transferred from a naaru like that, surely it can be freely given as well (assuming that's how the current Blood Knights get their powers)? For example to a sad but wise, ill-fate, wronged-by-life Orc who truly wishes to fight to right the injustices of the world... :wink:
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Re: THE paladin race?

Postby bldavis » Thu Jan 23, 2014 10:43 pm

i wish i could remember where i read it, but it was years ago

but basically the most powerful DKs raised by arthas were supposed to be fallen paladins, a la blackguards in the D&D cosmos..
the most powerful the paladin was in life, the more powerful they would be as a death knight in undeath

might have been changed, but i think that is the original plan for them
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