Tom Chilton says Blizzard is considering a F2P model for WoW

Anything, including off-topic posts

Moderators: Fridmarr, Worldie, Aergis, Sabindeus, PsiVen

Re: Tom Chilton says Blizzard is considering a F2P model for

Postby oldboyz » Wed Jan 08, 2014 12:38 pm

what make me post is that Blizz is right now estimating how much they can charge for a "boost to 90" ... look like Blizz just want to take money in everyway possible!!!

pay initial game + pay monthly + pay e-shop

too much greedy is sad :cry: game is fine i agree, but too much abuse is quite embarasing for me

now i realize i've pay for years&years (since 1st beta), and still not any little reward for my longstanding fidelity, just the possibility to pay more even if i want to just rename/change faction

i regret Blizz has no loyaulty plan, allowing long time player to be recognized, and motivate his customer to stay (with Starcraft & diablo franchise + soon heartstone, it would make even more sense)
faster content is may be fine, but i think i'm gonna now just pay a few month each new tier and stop until next one. And i don't really care if more people do same, flex will allow raids to be less demanding
oldboyz
 
Posts: 218
Joined: Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:48 am

Re: Tom Chilton says Blizzard is considering a F2P model for

Postby Newsom » Wed Jan 08, 2014 2:35 pm

oldboyz wrote:what make me post is that Blizz is right now estimating how much they can charge for a "boost to 90" ... look like Blizz just want to take money in everyway possible!!!


The thing is you would technically be able to do it anyway by buying a new account, upgrading to WoD then transferring the character to your usual account.
Frango NewsomNewsSpoon
User avatar
Newsom
 
Posts: 822
Joined: Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:34 am
Location: Sweden

Re: Tom Chilton says Blizzard is considering a F2P model for

Postby Koatanga » Wed Jan 08, 2014 4:07 pm

There are tons of ways Bliz can make money in an F2P model, but it's not going to happen until projected micro-transaction revenue from the F2P options meet or exceed the subscription revenue. As subscriptions fall, the F2P option looks better and better.

I could see a hybrid option happening, where a subscription "Premium" account allows you to enter premium zones and access premium chat channels or even Premium Realms, such that you never have to interact with the F2P riff-raff. You might also gain periodic tokens for the micro-transaction Xmog/Mount/Pet store and real-money black market AH. Premium bank slots. Tons of "perks" that don't impact performance, but which make life a lot easier.

Players could choose to have all the perks for a premium subscription, or buy the ones they want via micro-transactions, or play entirely for free.

As long as they don't give real performance advantages - aka a pay-to-win model - I can see it working just fine. By that I don't mean having advantages in acquiring gear (micro transactions would allow purchasing crafting mats, for example), but things like purchase-only armor that is statistically better than what's available in-game. It's fine if it looks better - that's the incentive to buy it, after all - just so long as it performs the same (even if it requires less grinding to get).
Retired. Koatanga, Shapely, Sultry, Doominatrix of Greenstone - Dath'Remar
Koatanga
 
Posts: 1988
Joined: Mon Nov 17, 2008 12:46 pm

Re: Tom Chilton says Blizzard is considering a F2P model for

Postby Flex » Wed Jan 08, 2014 4:31 pm

If they can keep the content pacing similar to what MoP was they could simply charge for content patches. $10 for non-raid and $20 for raid patches.

As long as they don't introduce the equivalent of real money gambling packs that ToR did, this box might contain awesome transmog gear that costs three times what the pack costs or it might contain a bunch of flasks so buy it and see!, I'd be okay with that.
We live in a society where people born on third base constantly try to steal second, yet we expect people born with two strikes against them to hit a homerun on the first pitch.
User avatar
Flex
 
Posts: 7500
Joined: Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:29 am

Re: Tom Chilton says Blizzard is considering a F2P model for

Postby Fivelives » Fri Jan 10, 2014 3:49 am

Take most of the gold out of the economy (by drastically reducing the amount of gold dropped by mobs, getting rid of the gold reward for questing at cap level, etc) and then getting into the gold selling business would fund WoW as a F2P model fairly well, I imagine. They could start by doing what EVE does and allow players to buy subscription time with in-game gold, I imagine that would be a relatively short term revenue loss in subscription fees in exchange for introducing a massive money-suck into the economy that would drain a lot of the gold out of it.

Then there's a lot they can do to tweak the "cost of living" - especially with things like Garrisons in the upcoming expansion (which from what I gather is essentially instanced player housing?). Charge characters rent for their garrison, force them to pay their laborers wages, etc. They could even sell vanity decorations on the cash shop; people go apeshit for things like that.
- I'm not Jesus, but I can turn water into Kool-Aid.
- A Sergeant in motion outranks an officer who doesn't know what the hell is going on.
- A demolitions specialist at a flat run outranks everybody.
User avatar
Fivelives
 
Posts: 3108
Joined: Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:55 pm

Re: Tom Chilton says Blizzard is considering a F2P model for

Postby Nooska » Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:10 am

Charging for content patches is silly.
That introduces a hard block to playing; as is I can play with any expansion level (I'm just restricted). If you add paying for each content patch, then suddenly I can't play at a specific expansion - 1 expandion at a time, please.
Also, if you want to pay for content patches, you are doing exactly "pay to win", as you cannot progress without paying (in other words the worst of both sides) - you are forced to pay to play, but you are "told" its F2P.

I'll repeat what I've said earlier in this thread; I don't believe that WoW will ever go F2P - by the time subscription revenue nears the breakeven point with a F2P microtransaction revenue projection, they will either just let it decline further, or end it.

Now I don't think Blizz as such is agains F2P, if that is the best model for a given game, but I don't believe for one second they will ever transition WoW to F2P.
Main Characters:
Nooska, Blood Elf BM/SV Hunter on Argent Dawn (EU)
Morosin, Bloody freezing orc death knight on Argent Dawn (EU)
Niisca, Shady forsaken "priest" on Argent Dawn (EU)

Keeper Emeritus of the BM hunters guide on Elitist Jerks and the wowhead version untill patch 5.3.
User avatar
Nooska
 
Posts: 1516
Joined: Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:55 am

Re: Tom Chilton says Blizzard is considering a F2P model for

Postby Worldie » Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:34 am

Blizz is totally not against F2p.
In fact, Hearthstone and HoN will be F2P, and SC2 and D3 are essentially F2P besides the initial purchase and the seldom expansion (which isn't even "forced" as there's no "max level" in SC2 and no actual competitive play in D3).

Just, as said, the turning point where incomes from F2P model would beat the subscription income is so far and down in the sub numbers, that at the moment turning into F2P would be a disastrous loss of money.
Remember subs alone (so, outside pay services/shops) is over 100 million € per month. Not really a small amount.
theckhd wrote:Fuck no, we've seen what you do to guilds. Just imagine what you could do to an entire country. Just visiting the US might be enough to make the southern states try to secede again.

halabar wrote:Noo.. you don't realize the problem. Worldie was to negative guild breaking energy like Bolvar is to the Scourge. If Worldie is removed, than someone must pick up that mantle, otherwise that negative guild breaking energy will run rampant, destroying all the servers.
User avatar
Worldie
Global Mod
 
Posts: 13381
Joined: Sun Sep 02, 2007 1:49 pm
Location: Italy

Re: Tom Chilton says Blizzard is considering a F2P model for

Postby oldboyz » Sat Jan 11, 2014 4:45 am

personnaly, i don't ask for a F2P model.

however :mrgreen: :

#1 a free eshop!
money should be based on "blizzard point", earned each month (loyaulty programm) or with €/$

#2 free "standby" subscription, rather than a full cancel
with almost everything unavailable : no raid, no AH, no arena/BG, no no pet battle, no dailies?
may be some stuff available limited amound/week? (bg and dailies?)

you may full unlock for a day/week with "blizzard point"
oldboyz
 
Posts: 218
Joined: Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:48 am

Re: Tom Chilton says Blizzard is considering a F2P model for

Postby Flex » Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:35 pm

Nooska wrote:Charging for content patches is silly.
That introduces a hard block to playing; as is I can play with any expansion level (I'm just restricted). If you add paying for each content patch, then suddenly I can't play at a specific expansion - 1 expandion at a time, please.
Also, if you want to pay for content patches, you are doing exactly "pay to win", as you cannot progress without paying (in other words the worst of both sides) - you are forced to pay to play, but you are "told" its F2P.


Many F2P/B2P MMOs charge per content path, it isn't a big new thing. It also isn't paying to win, it is more Buy2Play, since, you know, still have to kill the bosses to get the loot. Pay to win to me is bypassing the boss killing part.

You just make 3 tiers of players. Subscribers, Purchasers and F2P. Since WoW progression is loot centered a lot of restrictions are placed on that.
Subscribers get nothing different from now, maybe a few extra perks like Void Storage and Transmogging being free, maybe that loyalty system if they introduce more purchasable store items, and all game patches are included in the subscription.

Purchasers basically the same as a subscriber except they need to buy the content packs and have all restrictions removed from that pack, and quality of life reductions like reduced bank space, locking guild banks behind the paywall, reduced void storage space, and cooldowns or increased cost on cosmetic things like transmogrification. Nothing that truly reduces the effectiveness of the "log in on raid days" player.

The "F2P option" gets the core experience of the launch product and anything deemed core released later in the cycle with whatever end game restrictions are in place. World quest hubs are not unlocked for them, they can visit the places but there will be no quests and no loot will drop for them. They won't have access to void storage or transmogrification. I would include new group content part of the core experience, but with end game restrictions (limited loot chances per week beyond the raid ID system such as 1st raid, 3 dungeons and 5 scenarios per week are what they can get loot from), it is there to be seen not as a speedy gearing system.

Someone just returning and buys the base MoP experience would get unrestricted access to everything up to 5.0 with all the end-game restrictions. Now they decide they want to do serious raiding so they can either buy the 5.4 content pack or subscribe. Both will get them unrestricted access to 5.4 content and what they want to do. There would need to be some changes like having decent weapons available for at least being able to LFR queue so they aren't stuck needing anything from previous tiers.

What shouldn't be included in the default UI is "Upgrade now" or "Buy now" buttons, it should stay in the store UI. Say Purchaser level Void Storage has only one area compared to the three areas subscribers have. The UI would be adjusted to show only the one, not all 3 of them with 2 disabled with a banner that says how to unlock them plastered on top.
We live in a society where people born on third base constantly try to steal second, yet we expect people born with two strikes against them to hit a homerun on the first pitch.
User avatar
Flex
 
Posts: 7500
Joined: Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:29 am

Re: Tom Chilton says Blizzard is considering a F2P model for

Postby KysenMurrin » Tue Jan 14, 2014 1:04 am

What would happen when a person cancels a subscription?
I don't play WoW any more.
Donnan - Nangun - Kysen - Kysen - Mardun - Timkins

Mostly-Book Blog.
KysenMurrin
 
Posts: 6833
Joined: Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:37 am
Location: UK

Re: Tom Chilton says Blizzard is considering a F2P model for

Postby Newsom » Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:29 am

So many bad ideas in this thread. Stahp it.
Frango NewsomNewsSpoon
User avatar
Newsom
 
Posts: 822
Joined: Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:34 am
Location: Sweden

Re: Tom Chilton says Blizzard is considering a F2P model for

Postby Nooska » Tue Jan 14, 2014 4:13 am

Newsom wrote:So many bad ideas in this thread. Stahp it.

*like*
Main Characters:
Nooska, Blood Elf BM/SV Hunter on Argent Dawn (EU)
Morosin, Bloody freezing orc death knight on Argent Dawn (EU)
Niisca, Shady forsaken "priest" on Argent Dawn (EU)

Keeper Emeritus of the BM hunters guide on Elitist Jerks and the wowhead version untill patch 5.3.
User avatar
Nooska
 
Posts: 1516
Joined: Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:55 am

Re: Tom Chilton says Blizzard is considering a F2P model for

Postby Flex » Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:28 am

KysenMurrin wrote:What would happen when a person cancels a subscription?


They fall down to the purchaser level for the current tier.
We live in a society where people born on third base constantly try to steal second, yet we expect people born with two strikes against them to hit a homerun on the first pitch.
User avatar
Flex
 
Posts: 7500
Joined: Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:29 am

Re: Tom Chilton says Blizzard is considering a F2P model for

Postby Fetzie » Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:31 am

Flex wrote:
KysenMurrin wrote:What would happen when a person cancels a subscription?


They fall down to the purchaser level for the current tier.


What about items they had in the extra void storage area?
Fetzie | Protection Paladin | EU-Kazzak
Author of the TankSpot Protection Paladin Guide
Image
Sagara wrote:You see, you need to *spread* the bun before you insert the hot dog.

bldavis wrote:we are trying to extend it as long as we can...it just never seems to last very long
User avatar
Fetzie
 
Posts: 2196
Joined: Sat Feb 07, 2009 9:43 am
Location: Karlsruhe, Germany

Re: Tom Chilton says Blizzard is considering a F2P model for

Postby Flex » Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:32 am

Fetzie wrote:
Flex wrote:
KysenMurrin wrote:What would happen when a person cancels a subscription?


They fall down to the purchaser level for the current tier.


What about items they had in the extra void storage area?


Withdraw ability only and must be withdrawn to be used for anything.
We live in a society where people born on third base constantly try to steal second, yet we expect people born with two strikes against them to hit a homerun on the first pitch.
User avatar
Flex
 
Posts: 7500
Joined: Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:29 am

PreviousNext

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest

Who is online

In total there is 1 user online :: 0 registered, 0 hidden and 1 guest (based on users active over the past 5 minutes)
Most users ever online was 380 on Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:28 pm

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest