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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby theckhd » Sat Oct 12, 2013 5:07 pm

Why don't you make up a profile and test it? You're just as capable of that as I am.

I'm not likely to have a lot of time to work on WoW stuff for the next few days, death in the family so I'll be on the road a good bit.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby Klaudandus » Sat Oct 12, 2013 6:11 pm

theckhd wrote:Why don't you make up a profile and test it? You're just as capable of that as I am.

I'm not likely to have a lot of time to work on WoW stuff for the next few days, death in the family so I'll be on the road a good bit.


ugh, sorry to hear that. =(
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby theckhd » Mon Dec 09, 2013 6:17 pm

Time to fire this baby up again.

I've been working on getting the MATLAB sims back up and running. Now, you might ask, "Theck, didn't you switch over to SimC?" And of course, the answer is "yes." But the MATLAB sims I used to run were designed to be a comprehensive analysis of all of the options available to us. Right now you can't easily do that in SimC. It will natively give you stat weights (which takes the place of my old Stat Comparison sims), but doesn't innately do glyphs or any of those types of things.

In the long run, this might be something I'd try and build right into SimC. But that's something I'd have to talk with the other SimC devs about in a lot of detail. In the short run, I'm far better with MATLAB than I am with C++, and have a lot more free reign to do what I want when it doesn't impact SimC's code base. Also, MATLAB makes prettier plots.

So over the past two or three months I've rebooted the matlabadin code base. It's now designed around automatically generating .simc files from interchangeable components and running SimC at the command line, as well as parsing out the results into convenient tables.

For example, for a glyph comparison, it would take a default player, talent setup, APL, etc. and then swap in every feasible combination of glyphs. It would then create a .simc file for that situation and run it in simc.exe, and then parse the output file to collect relevant data (DPS, TMI, HPS, etc.). If you do that, you get a table that looks like this:

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Max DPS Err: 88, Max DPS % Err: 0.00%
Max TMI Err: 18288.30, Max TMI % Err: 145.80%

| G1 | G2 |  G3 |    DPS |    HPS |   DTPS |     TMI |  SotR |
|  E |  E |   E | 367429 | 157433 | 157771 |   588.1 | 73.0% |
|  E |  E |  AS | 372376 | 157454 | 157791 |   594.9 | 73.0% |
|  E |  E |  AW | 367355 | 157486 | 157823 |   836.9 | 73.0% |
|  E |  E |  BH | 367471 | 156043 | 156789 | 18810.1 | 73.0% |
|  E |  E |  DA | 367334 | 157443 | 157779 |   650.6 | 73.0% |
|  E |  E |  DP | 367323 | 149574 | 149868 |   213.6 | 73.0% |
|  E |  E |  FW | 370402 | 157422 | 157756 |   737.7 | 73.0% |
|  E |  E |  FS | 382948 | 157464 | 157802 |   683.5 | 73.0% |
|  E |  E |  HW | 367394 | 157451 | 157787 |   574.5 | 73.0% |
|  E |  E |  IT | 367187 | 157468 | 157805 |   546.6 | 73.0% |
|  E |  E | WoG | 374192 | 157464 | 157801 |   598.9 | 73.0% |
|  E | AS |  AW | 372573 | 157438 | 157775 |   744.6 | 73.0% |
|  E | AS |  BH | 372412 | 156047 | 156796 | 27766.0 | 73.0% |
|  E | AS |  DA | 372398 | 157463 | 157797 |   558.4 | 73.0% |
|  E | AS |  DP | 372551 | 149533 | 149828 |   195.9 | 73.0% |
|  E | AS |  FW | 375560 | 157456 | 157796 |   700.1 | 73.0% |
|  E | AS |  FS | 387936 | 157508 | 157844 |   770.4 | 73.0% |
|  E | AS |  HW | 372523 | 157530 | 157870 |   549.1 | 73.0% |
|  E | AS |  IT | 372468 | 157485 | 157823 |   611.9 | 73.0% |
|  E | AS | WoG | 379624 | 157473 | 157808 |  1069.8 | 73.0% |
|  E | AW |  BH | 367482 | 156028 | 156768 | 17739.8 | 73.0% |
|  E | AW |  DA | 367290 | 157485 | 157819 |   827.8 | 73.0% |
|  E | AW |  DP | 367373 | 149570 | 149863 |   293.6 | 73.0% |
|  E | AW |  FW | 370380 | 157519 | 157854 |   490.6 | 73.0% |
|  E | AW |  FS | 382897 | 157533 | 157869 |   643.4 | 73.0% |
|  E | AW |  HW | 367504 | 157473 | 157809 |   578.7 | 73.0% |
|  E | AW |  IT | 367306 | 157452 | 157791 |   537.8 | 73.0% |
|  E | AW | WoG | 374239 | 157484 | 157822 |   574.0 | 73.0% |
|  E | BH |  DA | 367408 | 156010 | 156750 | 18295.2 | 73.0% |
|  E | BH |  DP | 367435 | 147949 | 148568 |  5281.1 | 73.0% |
|  E | BH |  FW | 370696 | 156005 | 156756 | 21465.4 | 73.0% |
|  E | BH |  FS | 382907 | 156099 | 156846 | 15959.6 | 73.0% |
|  E | BH |  HW | 367213 | 156051 | 156798 | 19145.7 | 73.0% |
|  E | BH |  IT | 367454 | 156047 | 156791 | 16126.2 | 73.0% |
|  E | BH | WoG | 374259 | 156078 | 156819 | 20736.1 | 73.0% |
|  E | DA |  DP | 367376 | 149505 | 149798 |   204.7 | 73.0% |
|  E | DA |  FW | 370483 | 157484 | 157816 |   658.7 | 73.0% |
|  E | DA |  FS | 382702 | 157538 | 157875 |   615.4 | 73.0% |
|  E | DA |  HW | 367422 | 157498 | 157834 |   561.0 | 73.0% |
|  E | DA |  IT | 367346 | 157503 | 157838 |   610.8 | 73.0% |
|  E | DA | WoG | 374208 | 157533 | 157869 |   523.0 | 73.0% |
|  E | DP |  FW | 370384 | 149598 | 149894 |   234.3 | 73.0% |
|  E | DP |  FS | 382859 | 149606 | 149903 |   217.3 | 73.0% |
|  E | DP |  HW | 367305 | 149550 | 149847 |   208.6 | 73.0% |
|  E | DP |  IT | 367354 | 149586 | 149881 |   249.8 | 73.0% |
|  E | DP | WoG | 374139 | 149574 | 149868 |   247.7 | 73.0% |
|  E | FW |  FS | 386162 | 157423 | 157758 |   987.1 | 73.0% |
|  E | FW |  HW | 370508 | 157458 | 157794 |   631.8 | 73.0% |
|  E | FW |  IT | 370425 | 157437 | 157777 |   597.6 | 73.0% |
|  E | FW | WoG | 377494 | 157527 | 157865 |   574.2 | 73.0% |
|  E | FS |  HW | 382857 | 157462 | 157800 |   540.9 | 73.0% |
|  E | FS |  IT | 382528 | 157459 | 157794 |  1007.8 | 73.0% |
|  E | FS | WoG | 390094 | 157433 | 157771 |   536.3 | 73.0% |
|  E | HW |  IT | 367378 | 157491 | 157827 |   621.0 | 73.0% |
|  E | HW | WoG | 374192 | 157472 | 157807 |   564.9 | 73.0% |
|  E | IT | WoG | 373996 | 157463 | 157797 |   736.7 | 73.0% |
|  E | AS |  AW | 372573 | 157438 | 157775 |   744.6 | 73.0% |
|  E | AS |  BH | 372412 | 156047 | 156796 | 27766.0 | 73.0% |
|  E | AS |  DA | 372398 | 157463 | 157797 |   558.4 | 73.0% |
|  E | AS |  DP | 372551 | 149533 | 149828 |   195.9 | 73.0% |
|  E | AS |  FW | 375560 | 157456 | 157796 |   700.1 | 73.0% |
|  E | AS |  FS | 387936 | 157508 | 157844 |   770.4 | 73.0% |
|  E | AS |  HW | 372523 | 157530 | 157870 |   549.1 | 73.0% |
|  E | AS |  IT | 372468 | 157485 | 157823 |   611.9 | 73.0% |
|  E | AS | WoG | 379624 | 157473 | 157808 |  1069.8 | 73.0% |
|  E | AW |  BH | 367482 | 156028 | 156768 | 17739.8 | 73.0% |
|  E | AW |  DA | 367290 | 157485 | 157819 |   827.8 | 73.0% |
|  E | AW |  DP | 367373 | 149570 | 149863 |   293.6 | 73.0% |
|  E | AW |  FW | 370380 | 157519 | 157854 |   490.6 | 73.0% |
|  E | AW |  FS | 382897 | 157533 | 157869 |   643.4 | 73.0% |
|  E | AW |  HW | 367504 | 157473 | 157809 |   578.7 | 73.0% |
|  E | AW |  IT | 367306 | 157452 | 157791 |   537.8 | 73.0% |
|  E | AW | WoG | 374239 | 157484 | 157822 |   574.0 | 73.0% |
|  E | BH |  DA | 367408 | 156010 | 156750 | 18295.2 | 73.0% |
|  E | BH |  DP | 367435 | 147949 | 148568 |  5281.1 | 73.0% |
|  E | BH |  FW | 370696 | 156005 | 156756 | 21465.4 | 73.0% |
|  E | BH |  FS | 382907 | 156099 | 156846 | 15959.6 | 73.0% |
|  E | BH |  HW | 367213 | 156051 | 156798 | 19145.7 | 73.0% |
|  E | BH |  IT | 367454 | 156047 | 156791 | 16126.2 | 73.0% |
|  E | BH | WoG | 374259 | 156078 | 156819 | 20736.1 | 73.0% |
|  E | DA |  DP | 367376 | 149505 | 149798 |   204.7 | 73.0% |
|  E | DA |  FW | 370483 | 157484 | 157816 |   658.7 | 73.0% |
|  E | DA |  FS | 382702 | 157538 | 157875 |   615.4 | 73.0% |
|  E | DA |  HW | 367422 | 157498 | 157834 |   561.0 | 73.0% |
|  E | DA |  IT | 367346 | 157503 | 157838 |   610.8 | 73.0% |
|  E | DA | WoG | 374208 | 157533 | 157869 |   523.0 | 73.0% |
|  E | DP |  FW | 370384 | 149598 | 149894 |   234.3 | 73.0% |
|  E | DP |  FS | 382859 | 149606 | 149903 |   217.3 | 73.0% |
|  E | DP |  HW | 367305 | 149550 | 149847 |   208.6 | 73.0% |
|  E | DP |  IT | 367354 | 149586 | 149881 |   249.8 | 73.0% |
|  E | DP | WoG | 374139 | 149574 | 149868 |   247.7 | 73.0% |
|  E | FW |  FS | 386162 | 157423 | 157758 |   987.1 | 73.0% |
|  E | FW |  HW | 370508 | 157458 | 157794 |   631.8 | 73.0% |
|  E | FW |  IT | 370425 | 157437 | 157777 |   597.6 | 73.0% |
|  E | FW | WoG | 377494 | 157527 | 157865 |   574.2 | 73.0% |
|  E | FS |  HW | 382857 | 157462 | 157800 |   540.9 | 73.0% |
|  E | FS |  IT | 382528 | 157459 | 157794 |  1007.8 | 73.0% |
|  E | FS | WoG | 390094 | 157433 | 157771 |   536.3 | 73.0% |
|  E | HW |  IT | 367378 | 157491 | 157827 |   621.0 | 73.0% |
|  E | HW | WoG | 374192 | 157472 | 157807 |   564.9 | 73.0% |
|  E | IT | WoG | 373996 | 157463 | 157797 |   736.7 | 73.0% |
| AS | AW |  BH | 372491 | 156045 | 156788 | 17313.8 | 73.0% |
| AS | AW |  DA | 372440 | 157475 | 157810 |   516.5 | 73.0% |
| AS | AW |  DP | 372516 | 149582 | 149877 |   206.4 | 73.0% |
| AS | AW |  FW | 375663 | 157449 | 157782 |   686.5 | 73.0% |
| AS | AW |  FS | 387881 | 157495 | 157833 |   541.7 | 73.0% |
| AS | AW |  HW | 372492 | 157468 | 157806 |   556.4 | 73.0% |
| AS | AW |  IT | 372615 | 157439 | 157774 |   594.5 | 73.0% |
| AS | AW | WoG | 379569 | 157473 | 157812 |   566.6 | 73.0% |
| AS | BH |  DA | 372412 | 156023 | 156771 | 26422.7 | 73.0% |
| AS | BH |  DP | 372387 | 148046 | 148677 |  5376.7 | 73.0% |
| AS | BH |  FW | 375577 | 156014 | 156749 | 22009.2 | 73.0% |
| AS | BH |  FS | 387928 | 156086 | 156829 | 21168.3 | 73.0% |
| AS | BH |  HW | 372371 | 156013 | 156760 | 16596.6 | 73.0% |
| AS | BH |  IT | 372613 | 156035 | 156780 | 18042.1 | 73.0% |
| AS | BH | WoG | 379494 | 156057 | 156806 | 23198.6 | 73.0% |
| AS | DA |  DP | 372452 | 149592 | 149886 |   225.7 | 73.0% |
| AS | DA |  FW | 375653 | 157486 | 157821 |   560.4 | 73.0% |
| AS | DA |  FS | 388030 | 157459 | 157794 |   514.1 | 73.0% |
| AS | DA |  HW | 372469 | 157481 | 157822 |   614.1 | 73.0% |
| AS | DA |  IT | 372473 | 157532 | 157868 |   714.5 | 73.0% |
| AS | DA | WoG | 379708 | 157443 | 157780 |   637.7 | 73.0% |
| AS | DP |  FW | 375460 | 149593 | 149888 |   213.0 | 73.0% |
| AS | DP |  FS | 388058 | 149557 | 149854 |   225.0 | 73.0% |
| AS | DP |  HW | 372485 | 149577 | 149871 |   210.0 | 73.0% |
| AS | DP |  IT | 372263 | 149585 | 149879 |   186.2 | 73.0% |
| AS | DP | WoG | 379351 | 149611 | 149909 |   213.4 | 73.0% |
| AS | FW |  FS | 391406 | 157456 | 157796 |   571.9 | 73.0% |
| AS | FW |  HW | 375650 | 157548 | 157886 |   714.1 | 73.0% |
| AS | FW |  IT | 375741 | 157485 | 157821 |   531.0 | 73.0% |
| AS | FW | WoG | 382769 | 157509 | 157845 |   576.7 | 73.0% |
| AS | FS |  HW | 388041 | 157452 | 157788 |   689.4 | 73.0% |
| AS | FS |  IT | 388046 | 157480 | 157814 |   529.0 | 73.0% |
| AS | FS | WoG | 395388 | 157420 | 157757 |   819.0 | 73.0% |
| AS | HW |  IT | 372376 | 157479 | 157813 |   562.5 | 73.0% |
| AS | HW | WoG | 379526 | 157500 | 157836 |   656.6 | 73.0% |
| AS | IT | WoG | 379351 | 157492 | 157828 |   615.7 | 73.0% |
| AW | BH |  DA | 367430 | 156054 | 156792 | 16702.3 | 73.0% |
| AW | BH |  DP | 367436 | 147972 | 148592 |  5480.5 | 73.0% |
| AW | BH |  FW | 370471 | 156046 | 156790 | 23613.6 | 73.0% |
| AW | BH |  FS | 382908 | 156035 | 156784 | 17610.4 | 73.0% |
| AW | BH |  HW | 367322 | 156035 | 156780 | 18074.3 | 73.0% |
| AW | BH |  IT | 367409 | 156030 | 156773 | 16844.8 | 73.0% |
| AW | BH | WoG | 374329 | 156075 | 156821 | 17940.0 | 73.0% |
| AW | DA |  DP | 367330 | 149520 | 149816 |   197.1 | 73.0% |
| AW | DA |  FW | 370557 | 157463 | 157799 |   538.3 | 73.0% |
| AW | DA |  FS | 382837 | 157461 | 157796 |   535.2 | 73.0% |
| AW | DA |  HW | 367311 | 157463 | 157799 |   576.9 | 73.0% |
| AW | DA |  IT | 367342 | 157489 | 157825 |   514.5 | 73.0% |
| AW | DA | WoG | 374293 | 157485 | 157823 |   558.6 | 73.0% |
| AW | DP |  FW | 370659 | 149566 | 149861 |   208.7 | 73.0% |
| AW | DP |  FS | 382923 | 149543 | 149836 |   215.8 | 73.0% |
| AW | DP |  HW | 367185 | 149544 | 149839 |   212.1 | 73.0% |
| AW | DP |  IT | 367226 | 149577 | 149873 |   205.3 | 73.0% |
| AW | DP | WoG | 374264 | 149555 | 149852 |   196.7 | 73.0% |
| AW | FW |  FS | 386266 | 157507 | 157846 |   536.9 | 73.0% |
| AW | FW |  HW | 370720 | 157413 | 157749 |   680.2 | 73.0% |
| AW | FW |  IT | 370341 | 157488 | 157822 |   544.0 | 73.0% |
| AW | FW | WoG | 377396 | 157554 | 157889 |   646.0 | 73.0% |
| AW | FS |  HW | 382920 | 157462 | 157799 |   755.5 | 73.0% |
| AW | FS |  IT | 382786 | 157464 | 157800 |   700.4 | 73.0% |
| AW | FS | WoG | 390205 | 157464 | 157796 |   632.7 | 73.0% |
| AW | HW |  IT | 367339 | 157454 | 157790 |   892.3 | 73.0% |
| AW | HW | WoG | 374059 | 157497 | 157835 |   780.5 | 73.0% |
| AW | IT | WoG | 374266 | 157491 | 157828 |   709.5 | 73.0% |
| BH | DA |  DP | 367260 | 148061 | 148679 |  5734.4 | 73.0% |
| BH | DA |  FW | 370593 | 156035 | 156777 | 18053.9 | 73.0% |
| BH | DA |  FS | 382860 | 156021 | 156768 | 15837.7 | 73.0% |
| BH | DA |  HW | 367162 | 156094 | 156838 | 19635.2 | 73.0% |
| BH | DA |  IT | 367478 | 155947 | 156688 | 16970.1 | 73.0% |
| BH | DA | WoG | 374178 | 156106 | 156845 | 24922.8 | 73.0% |
| BH | DP |  FW | 370598 | 148024 | 148647 |  5985.9 | 73.0% |
| BH | DP |  FS | 382844 | 148008 | 148633 |  5437.0 | 73.0% |
| BH | DP |  HW | 367418 | 147915 | 148539 |  6754.4 | 73.0% |
| BH | DP |  IT | 367435 | 147934 | 148556 |  4955.3 | 73.0% |
| BH | DP | WoG | 374209 | 147948 | 148573 |  7679.0 | 73.0% |
| BH | FW |  FS | 386184 | 156012 | 156758 | 16644.6 | 73.0% |
| BH | FW |  HW | 370429 | 156085 | 156832 | 18446.5 | 73.0% |
| BH | FW |  IT | 370211 | 156061 | 156804 | 16772.8 | 73.0% |
| BH | FW | WoG | 377584 | 156031 | 156780 | 17625.0 | 73.0% |
| BH | FS |  HW | 382874 | 156057 | 156803 | 15635.8 | 73.0% |
| BH | FS |  IT | 382882 | 156054 | 156800 | 18322.5 | 73.0% |
| BH | FS | WoG | 389977 | 156020 | 156758 | 18379.6 | 73.0% |
| BH | HW |  IT | 367366 | 156050 | 156791 | 26511.9 | 73.0% |
| BH | HW | WoG | 374293 | 156051 | 156799 | 16886.9 | 73.0% |
| BH | IT | WoG | 374196 | 156062 | 156812 | 16054.8 | 73.0% |
| DA | DP |  FW | 370381 | 149562 | 149856 |   205.5 | 73.0% |
| DA | DP |  FS | 382963 | 149552 | 149849 |   213.4 | 73.0% |
| DA | DP |  HW | 367446 | 149569 | 149866 |   228.2 | 73.0% |
| DA | DP |  IT | 367326 | 149549 | 149845 |   201.3 | 73.0% |
| DA | DP | WoG | 374264 | 149524 | 149820 |   199.3 | 73.0% |
| DA | FW |  FS | 386123 | 157418 | 157756 |   710.4 | 73.0% |
| DA | FW |  HW | 370508 | 157497 | 157836 |   575.2 | 73.0% |
| DA | FW |  IT | 370444 | 157470 | 157805 |   547.3 | 73.0% |
| DA | FW | WoG | 377029 | 157528 | 157865 |   620.0 | 73.0% |
| DA | FS |  HW | 382904 | 157480 | 157816 |   963.2 | 73.0% |
| DA | FS |  IT | 382923 | 157506 | 157841 |   572.0 | 73.0% |
| DA | FS | WoG | 389881 | 157418 | 157752 |   533.8 | 73.0% |
| DA | HW |  IT | 367178 | 157448 | 157783 |   523.4 | 73.0% |
| DA | HW | WoG | 374171 | 157486 | 157821 |   547.7 | 73.0% |
| DA | IT | WoG | 374096 | 157422 | 157755 |   553.3 | 73.0% |
| DP | FW |  FS | 385926 | 149586 | 149882 |   208.9 | 73.0% |
| DP | FW |  HW | 370413 | 149575 | 149868 |   210.8 | 73.0% |
| DP | FW |  IT | 370537 | 149541 | 149836 |   238.1 | 73.0% |
| DP | FW | WoG | 377598 | 149572 | 149868 |   214.2 | 73.0% |
| DP | FS |  HW | 382750 | 149540 | 149834 |   224.9 | 73.0% |
| DP | FS |  IT | 382505 | 149600 | 149895 |   194.3 | 73.0% |
| DP | FS | WoG | 389830 | 149573 | 149868 |   384.7 | 73.0% |
| DP | HW |  IT | 367080 | 149603 | 149896 |   210.2 | 73.0% |
| DP | HW | WoG | 374140 | 149634 | 149929 |   380.1 | 73.0% |
| DP | IT | WoG | 374259 | 149550 | 149845 |   233.4 | 73.0% |
| FW | FS |  HW | 386041 | 157506 | 157844 |   653.0 | 73.0% |
| FW | FS |  IT | 386155 | 157509 | 157844 |   584.5 | 73.0% |
| FW | FS | WoG | 393219 | 157469 | 157805 |   566.7 | 73.0% |
| FW | HW |  IT | 370762 | 157489 | 157828 |   601.3 | 73.0% |
| FW | HW | WoG | 377486 | 157486 | 157820 |   539.7 | 73.0% |
| FW | IT | WoG | 377677 | 157423 | 157758 |   551.9 | 73.0% |
| FS | HW |  IT | 382630 | 157505 | 157840 |   513.8 | 73.0% |
| FS | HW | WoG | 389911 | 157495 | 157830 |  2258.5 | 73.0% |
| FS | IT | WoG | 390107 | 157439 | 157773 |   572.1 | 73.0% |
| HW | IT | WoG | 374174 | 157426 | 157760 |  1282.2 | 73.0% |


Which is awfully long, but contains every relevant glyph combination so you can compare them. I'll have a blog post up later this week with a sortable version of this data in table form.

However, it would also be useful to have a short version that just lists the impact of each single glyph. This is just a subset of the table above, but it's still useful to have extra detail (including the DPS variance and delta compared to no glyphs):

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| Glyph |    DPS | Err | Delta |    HPS |   DTPS |     TMI |  SotR |
|     E | 367429 |  78 |     0 | 157433 | 157771 |   588.1 | 73.0% |
|    AS | 372376 |  78 |  4947 | 157454 | 157791 |   594.9 | 73.0% |
|    AW | 367355 |  79 |   -74 | 157486 | 157823 |   836.9 | 73.0% |
|    BH | 367471 |  78 |    42 | 156043 | 156789 | 18810.1 | 73.0% |
|    DA | 367334 |  78 |   -95 | 157443 | 157779 |   650.6 | 73.0% |
|    DP | 367323 |  83 |  -106 | 149574 | 149868 |   213.6 | 73.0% |
|    FW | 370402 |  83 |  2973 | 157422 | 157756 |   737.7 | 73.0% |
|    FS | 382948 |  78 | 15519 | 157464 | 157802 |   683.5 | 73.0% |
|    HW | 367394 |  78 |   -35 | 157451 | 157787 |   574.5 | 73.0% |
|    IT | 367187 |  80 |  -242 | 157468 | 157805 |   546.6 | 73.0% |
|   WoG | 374192 |  78 |  6763 | 157464 | 157801 |   598.9 | 73.0% |


And of course, we don't need to stop there; we can automatically sort and display the top 10 DPS glyph combinations as well as the lowest 10 TMI glyph setups:

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| G1 | G2 |  G3 |    DPS | Err |  %Err |    HPS |   DTPS |     TMI |  SotR |
| AS | FS | WoG | 395388 |  85 | 0.00% | 157420 | 157757 |   819.0 | 73.0% |
| FW | FS | WoG | 393219 |  88 | 0.00% | 157469 | 157805 |   566.7 | 73.0% |
| AS | FW |  FS | 391406 |  86 | 0.00% | 157456 | 157796 |   571.9 | 73.0% |
| AW | FS | WoG | 390205 |  85 | 0.00% | 157464 | 157796 |   632.7 | 73.0% |
| FS | IT | WoG | 390107 |  85 | 0.00% | 157439 | 157773 |   572.1 | 73.0% |
|  E | FS | WoG | 390094 |  85 | 0.00% | 157433 | 157771 |   536.3 | 73.0% |
|  E | FS | WoG | 390094 |  85 | 0.00% | 157433 | 157771 |   536.3 | 73.0% |
| BH | FS | WoG | 389977 |  86 | 0.00% | 156020 | 156758 | 18379.6 | 73.0% |
| FS | HW | WoG | 389911 |  85 | 0.00% | 157495 | 157830 |  2258.5 | 73.0% |
| DA | FS | WoG | 389881 |  85 | 0.00% | 157418 | 157752 |   533.8 | 73.0% |


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Lowest 10 TMI specs

| G1 | G2 |  G3 |    DPS |    HPS |   DTPS |   TMI |   Err |   %Err |  SotR |
| AS | DP |  IT | 372263 | 149585 | 149879 | 186.2 | 10.80 |  5.80% | 73.0% |
| DP | FS |  IT | 382505 | 149600 | 149895 | 194.3 | 13.40 |  6.90% | 73.0% |
|  E | AS |  DP | 372551 | 149533 | 149828 | 195.9 | 18.90 |  9.60% | 73.0% |
|  E | AS |  DP | 372551 | 149533 | 149828 | 195.9 | 18.90 |  9.60% | 73.0% |
| AW | DP | WoG | 374264 | 149555 | 149852 | 196.7 | 14.00 |  7.10% | 73.0% |
| AW | DA |  DP | 367330 | 149520 | 149816 | 197.1 | 18.70 |  9.50% | 73.0% |
| DA | DP | WoG | 374264 | 149524 | 149820 | 199.3 | 22.30 | 11.20% | 73.0% |
| DA | DP |  IT | 367326 | 149549 | 149845 | 201.3 | 16.50 |  8.20% | 73.0% |
|  E | DA |  DP | 367376 | 149505 | 149798 | 204.7 | 36.00 | 17.60% | 73.0% |
|  E | DA |  DP | 367376 | 149505 | 149798 | 204.7 | 36.00 | 17.60% | 73.0% |



All of the data (.simc files as well as .html and .txt output files) can be found in the /io/ folder:
http://code.google.com/p/matlabadin/sou ... Fsimc%2Fio

So you can call up any individual configuration to check the data in more detail. For these I'm using a basic BE paladin using the T16N gear set (in SimC) against the T16N25 TMI standard boss; I believe the APL is the same as the default in SimC. The default talent setup is 312232 (EF+US+DP+LH).

I've repeated this for talents as well:

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Max DPS Err: 84, Max DPS % Err: 0.00%
Max TMI Err: 293729.90, Max TMI % Err: 39.60%

| Talents | L45 | L60 | L75 | L90 |    DPS |    HPS |   DTPS |       TMI |  SotR |
|  311111 |  SH |  PU |  HA |  ES | 391915 | 121923 | 160709 | 6659699.1 | 70.0% |
|  311121 |  SH |  PU |  SW |  ES | 388369 | 125390 | 168711 | 7050624.6 | 63.0% |
|  311131 |  SH |  PU |  DP |  ES | 385452 | 123136 | 159174 | 3769621.2 | 70.0% |
|  312111 |  EF |  PU |  HA |  ES | 391641 | 159777 | 160136 |    2289.9 | 70.0% |
|  312121 |  EF |  PU |  SW |  ES | 388200 | 167794 | 168280 |    2862.0 | 63.0% |
|  312131 |  EF |  PU |  DP |  ES | 388684 | 155848 | 156199 |    1331.2 | 73.0% |
|  313111 |  SS |  PU |  HA |  ES | 382052 | 113040 | 116570 |  226627.2 | 69.0% |
|  313121 |  SS |  PU |  SW |  ES | 377978 | 118949 | 125075 |  298190.6 | 62.0% |
|  313131 |  SS |  PU |  DP |  ES | 375552 | 112176 | 115596 |  134765.9 | 69.0% |
|  311112 |  SH |  PU |  HA |  LH | 391244 | 119517 | 160510 | 6330481.6 | 71.0% |
|  311122 |  SH |  PU |  SW |  LH | 388708 | 123135 | 168590 | 6395876.1 | 63.0% |
|  311132 |  SH |  PU |  DP |  LH | 384617 | 120840 | 158833 | 3555404.6 | 70.0% |
|  312112 |  EF |  PU |  HA |  LH | 391120 | 159617 | 159977 |    2902.2 | 71.0% |
|  312122 |  EF |  PU |  SW |  LH | 388944 | 167637 | 168116 |    2893.0 | 63.0% |
|  312132 |  EF |  PU |  DP |  LH | 387866 | 155608 | 155950 |     968.3 | 73.0% |
|  313112 |  SS |  PU |  HA |  LH | 382388 | 112380 | 116589 |  250689.4 | 69.0% |
|  313122 |  SS |  PU |  SW |  LH | 379559 | 118162 | 125125 |  277866.5 | 62.0% |
|  313132 |  SS |  PU |  DP |  LH | 376155 | 111696 | 115616 |  138296.7 | 69.0% |
|  311113 |  SH |  PU |  HA |  HP | 403248 | 111387 | 160509 | 8468304.7 | 71.0% |
|  311123 |  SH |  PU |  SW |  HP | 401375 | 114837 | 168569 | 9262060.2 | 63.0% |
|  311133 |  SH |  PU |  DP |  HP | 396852 | 112602 | 158785 | 4686608.8 | 70.0% |
|  312113 |  EF |  PU |  HA |  HP | 403339 | 159400 | 159787 |    3775.0 | 71.0% |
|  312123 |  EF |  PU |  SW |  HP | 401252 | 167395 | 167921 |    3709.4 | 63.0% |
|  312133 |  EF |  PU |  DP |  HP | 400182 | 155383 | 155755 |    1366.1 | 73.0% |
|  313113 |  SS |  PU |  HA |  HP | 394550 | 107872 | 116750 |  363972.3 | 69.0% |
|  313123 |  SS |  PU |  SW |  HP | 392203 | 112022 | 125248 |  420663.0 | 62.0% |
|  313133 |  SS |  PU |  DP |  HP | 388233 | 107848 | 115747 |  201026.1 | 69.0% |
|  311211 |  SH |  US |  HA |  ES | 391825 | 123384 | 153557 |  859073.8 | 70.0% |
|  311221 |  SH |  US |  SW |  ES | 388102 | 126251 | 161484 | 1054183.9 | 63.0% |
|  311231 |  SH |  US |  DP |  ES | 385437 | 124563 | 152281 |  524951.4 | 70.0% |
|  312211 |  EF |  US |  HA |  ES | 391824 | 153606 | 153907 |     442.7 | 70.0% |
|  312221 |  EF |  US |  SW |  ES | 388194 | 161475 | 161867 |     735.9 | 63.0% |
|  312231 |  EF |  US |  DP |  ES | 388627 | 149833 | 150132 |     272.4 | 73.0% |
|  313211 |  SS |  US |  HA |  ES | 382041 | 107933 | 109388 |   24240.0 | 69.0% |
|  313221 |  SS |  US |  SW |  ES | 377828 | 114919 | 117598 |   34267.1 | 62.0% |
|  313231 |  SS |  US |  DP |  ES | 375730 | 107248 | 108692 |   14838.8 | 69.0% |
|  311212 |  SH |  US |  HA |  LH | 390997 | 121134 | 153348 |  753032.4 | 71.0% |
|  311222 |  SH |  US |  SW |  LH | 388631 | 124118 | 161326 | 1080163.3 | 63.0% |
|  311232 |  SH |  US |  DP |  LH | 384737 | 122424 | 152032 |  500356.3 | 70.0% |
|  312212 |  EF |  US |  HA |  LH | 391302 | 153414 | 153716 |     423.1 | 71.0% |
|  312222 |  EF |  US |  SW |  LH | 388657 | 161300 | 161688 |     563.9 | 63.0% |
|  312232 |  EF |  US |  DP |  LH | 388086 | 149540 | 149832 |     216.3 | 73.0% |
|  313212 |  SS |  US |  HA |  LH | 382266 | 107749 | 109451 |   25367.7 | 69.0% |
|  313222 |  SS |  US |  SW |  LH | 379472 | 114575 | 117620 |   37985.6 | 62.0% |
|  313232 |  SS |  US |  DP |  LH | 376220 | 106990 | 108622 |   13449.7 | 69.0% |
|  311213 |  SH |  US |  HA |  HP | 403211 | 112976 | 153377 | 1180576.5 | 71.0% |
|  311223 |  SH |  US |  SW |  HP | 401249 | 115828 | 161368 | 1459474.4 | 63.0% |
|  311233 |  SH |  US |  DP |  HP | 396950 | 114130 | 151945 |  689317.8 | 70.0% |
|  312213 |  EF |  US |  HA |  HP | 403333 | 153305 | 153621 |     520.2 | 71.0% |
|  312223 |  EF |  US |  SW |  HP | 401307 | 161101 | 161520 |     772.7 | 63.0% |
|  312233 |  EF |  US |  DP |  HP | 399801 | 149415 | 149725 |     329.6 | 73.0% |
|  313213 |  SS |  US |  HA |  HP | 394482 | 106015 | 109583 |   39668.4 | 69.0% |
|  313223 |  SS |  US |  SW |  HP | 391976 | 111127 | 117846 |   55003.5 | 62.0% |
|  313233 |  SS |  US |  DP |  HP | 388281 | 105286 | 108634 |   25197.8 | 69.0% |
|  311311 |  SH |  CL |  HA |  ES | 391998 | 121925 | 160713 | 6437411.1 | 70.0% |
|  311321 |  SH |  CL |  SW |  ES | 388133 | 125406 | 168723 | 6926706.1 | 63.0% |
|  311331 |  SH |  CL |  DP |  ES | 385413 | 123133 | 159153 | 3787726.0 | 70.0% |
|  312311 |  EF |  CL |  HA |  ES | 391754 | 159838 | 160197 |    2264.1 | 70.0% |
|  312321 |  EF |  CL |  SW |  ES | 388159 | 167783 | 168268 |    3120.1 | 63.0% |
|  312331 |  EF |  CL |  DP |  ES | 388543 | 155839 | 156189 |    1262.6 | 73.0% |
|  313311 |  SS |  CL |  HA |  ES | 382019 | 113035 | 116552 |  243352.5 | 69.0% |
|  313321 |  SS |  CL |  SW |  ES | 378033 | 118942 | 125031 |  288116.0 | 62.0% |
|  313331 |  SS |  CL |  DP |  ES | 375883 | 112215 | 115627 |  128050.4 | 69.0% |
|  311312 |  SH |  CL |  HA |  LH | 390948 | 119542 | 160539 | 6521195.6 | 71.0% |
|  311322 |  SH |  CL |  SW |  LH | 388724 | 123120 | 168591 | 6380333.5 | 63.0% |
|  311332 |  SH |  CL |  DP |  LH | 384834 | 120828 | 158806 | 3406386.9 | 70.0% |
|  312312 |  EF |  CL |  HA |  LH | 391179 | 159658 | 160019 |    2447.5 | 71.0% |
|  312322 |  EF |  CL |  SW |  LH | 388859 | 167590 | 168072 |    3076.3 | 63.0% |
|  312332 |  EF |  CL |  DP |  LH | 388118 | 155544 | 155885 |     914.6 | 73.0% |
|  313312 |  SS |  CL |  HA |  LH | 382321 | 112374 | 116564 |  253185.3 | 69.0% |
|  313322 |  SS |  CL |  SW |  LH | 379505 | 118122 | 125072 |  286933.3 | 62.0% |
|  313332 |  SS |  CL |  DP |  LH | 376219 | 111638 | 115551 |  128082.8 | 69.0% |
|  311313 |  SH |  CL |  HA |  HP | 403172 | 111397 | 160498 | 8471353.9 | 71.0% |
|  311323 |  SH |  CL |  SW |  HP | 401415 | 114830 | 168578 | 9243176.7 | 63.0% |
|  311333 |  SH |  CL |  DP |  HP | 396961 | 112609 | 158811 | 4872951.1 | 70.0% |
|  312313 |  EF |  CL |  HA |  HP | 403360 | 159434 | 159823 |    3014.5 | 71.0% |
|  312323 |  EF |  CL |  SW |  HP | 401393 | 167421 | 167950 |    3624.0 | 63.0% |
|  312333 |  EF |  CL |  DP |  HP | 400248 | 155384 | 155756 |    1382.0 | 73.0% |
|  313313 |  SS |  CL |  HA |  HP | 394534 | 107846 | 116745 |  385873.7 | 69.0% |
|  313323 |  SS |  CL |  SW |  HP | 392171 | 112026 | 125250 |  407496.3 | 62.0% |
|  313333 |  SS |  CL |  DP |  HP | 388276 | 107822 | 115717 |  198437.3 | 69.0% |


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| Talents | L45 | L60 | L75 | L90 |    DPS |    HPS |   DTPS |       TMI |  SotR |
|  311212 |  SH |  US |  HA |  LH | 390997 | 121134 | 153348 |  753032.4 | 71.0% |
|  311222 |  SH |  US |  SW |  LH | 388631 | 124118 | 161326 | 1080163.3 | 63.0% |
|  311232 |  SH |  US |  DP |  LH | 384737 | 122424 | 152032 |  500356.3 | 70.0% |
|  312212 |  EF |  US |  HA |  LH | 391302 | 153414 | 153716 |     423.1 | 71.0% |
|  312222 |  EF |  US |  SW |  LH | 388657 | 161300 | 161688 |     563.9 | 63.0% |
|  312232 |  EF |  US |  DP |  LH | 388086 | 149540 | 149832 |     216.3 | 73.0% |
|  313212 |  SS |  US |  HA |  LH | 382266 | 107749 | 109451 |   25367.7 | 69.0% |
|  313222 |  SS |  US |  SW |  LH | 379472 | 114575 | 117620 |   37985.6 | 62.0% |
|  313232 |  SS |  US |  DP |  LH | 376220 | 106990 | 108622 |   13449.7 | 69.0% |


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Top 10 DPS specs

| Talents | L45 | L60 | L75 | L90 |    DPS | Err |  %Err |    HPS |   DTPS |       TMI |  SotR |
|  312313 |  EF |  CL |  HA |  HP | 403360 |  76 | 0.00% | 159434 | 159823 |    3014.5 | 71.0% |
|  312113 |  EF |  PU |  HA |  HP | 403339 |  76 | 0.00% | 159400 | 159787 |    3775.0 | 71.0% |
|  312213 |  EF |  US |  HA |  HP | 403333 |  77 | 0.00% | 153305 | 153621 |     520.2 | 71.0% |
|  311113 |  SH |  PU |  HA |  HP | 403248 |  76 | 0.00% | 111387 | 160509 | 8468304.7 | 71.0% |
|  311213 |  SH |  US |  HA |  HP | 403211 |  76 | 0.00% | 112976 | 153377 | 1180576.5 | 71.0% |
|  311313 |  SH |  CL |  HA |  HP | 403172 |  76 | 0.00% | 111397 | 160498 | 8471353.9 | 71.0% |
|  311323 |  SH |  CL |  SW |  HP | 401415 |  69 | 0.00% | 114830 | 168578 | 9243176.7 | 63.0% |
|  312323 |  EF |  CL |  SW |  HP | 401393 |  69 | 0.00% | 167421 | 167950 |    3624.0 | 63.0% |
|  311123 |  SH |  PU |  SW |  HP | 401375 |  69 | 0.00% | 114837 | 168569 | 9262060.2 | 63.0% |
|  312223 |  EF |  US |  SW |  HP | 401307 |  70 | 0.00% | 161101 | 161520 |     772.7 | 63.0% |


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Lowest 10 TMI specs

| Talents | L45 | L60 | L75 | L90 |    DPS |    HPS |   DTPS |   TMI |    Err |   %Err |  SotR |
|  312232 |  EF |  US |  DP |  LH | 388086 | 149540 | 149832 | 216.3 |  31.30 | 14.50% | 73.0% |
|  312231 |  EF |  US |  DP |  ES | 388627 | 149833 | 150132 | 272.4 |  54.20 | 19.90% | 73.0% |
|  312233 |  EF |  US |  DP |  HP | 399801 | 149415 | 149725 | 329.6 |  65.80 | 20.00% | 73.0% |
|  312212 |  EF |  US |  HA |  LH | 391302 | 153414 | 153716 | 423.1 | 101.50 | 24.00% | 71.0% |
|  312211 |  EF |  US |  HA |  ES | 391824 | 153606 | 153907 | 442.7 |  93.20 | 21.00% | 70.0% |
|  312213 |  EF |  US |  HA |  HP | 403333 | 153305 | 153621 | 520.2 |  49.40 |  9.50% | 71.0% |
|  312222 |  EF |  US |  SW |  LH | 388657 | 161300 | 161688 | 563.9 |  63.50 | 11.30% | 63.0% |
|  312221 |  EF |  US |  SW |  ES | 388194 | 161475 | 161867 | 735.9 | 291.20 | 39.60% | 63.0% |
|  312223 |  EF |  US |  SW |  HP | 401307 | 161101 | 161520 | 772.7 | 155.80 | 20.20% | 63.0% |
|  312332 |  EF |  CL |  DP |  LH | 388118 | 155544 | 155885 | 914.6 |  84.60 |  9.30% | 73.0% |
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby theckhd » Mon Dec 09, 2013 6:20 pm

So far the Glyph and Talent comparisons are the only two I've finished. Obviously there will be a rotation simulation as well (probably one for ST and a separate one for AoE). My current plan is to use SimC's built-in stat weight generator for the stat weight simulations. Weapon sims are also on the list (possibly before rotation, just because they're far simpler than the rotation one). Not sure if I'm going to bother with food/enchant sims yet, probably at least not until WoD beta is farther along.

What I mostly need at this point is eyes to look over the data for inconsistencies, or weird things that stand out. Also advice on formatting, other data you'd like to see, etc.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby Thels » Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:08 am

So for DPS, our best glyphs are, in order:

- Focused Shield (Of course, this would only apply against a single target.)
- Word of Glory
- Alabaster Shield
- Final Wrath

So take the top 1, 2 or 3 depending on how many utility glyphs you take, and for fights where you want to damage more than 1 target, replace Focused Shield by the next glyph on the list, or perhaps with Double Jeopardy?

Interesting note. Check the one entry that includes BH, and see our TMI skyrocket. Bad glyph is bad. Though I wonder why the Focused Shield-Holy Wrath-Word of Glory glyph combo has such a high TMI in comparison to the others.

The glyphs for lowest TMI are a mess. All 10 entries list DP and 2 other entries at random. The probable cause is that DP is the only glyph that affects TMI. Immediate Truth for TMI? :P

Also, in either top 10 glyph lists, if the first slot is empty, it includes that line twice.

For DPS and TMI, does it assume you cast HP on yourself or your opponent? For ES I assume you cast it on your opponent. Perhaps it would be interesting to include two variants of HP and ES. One self-targeted and one boss-targeted, but I don't know how tricky it is to pull that off.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby Schroom » Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:32 am

Thanks a lot for the work, but I am also a bit confused about some stuff...

WoG highest DPS glyph?

doesn't the WOG glyph only procc when you cast wog/Ef on a friendly target and not on yourself?

I mean, we are wasting 3 Holy power, thereby using one less SOTR.

so the damagebuff from the glyph is more DPS than one SOTR? (also it should have implications on AS)


if so, how often do we have to cast Wog/EF on a friendly target for it to be on that spott?

similar question as Thels.

for TMI what defensive impact has AS and even more IT? we don't even use SoT.... at least not for TMI...
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby Thels » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:12 am

Schroom wrote:Thanks a lot for the work, but I am also a bit confused about some stuff...

WoG highest DPS glyph?

doesn't the WOG glyph only procc when you cast wog/Ef on a friendly target and not on yourself?

I mean, we are wasting 3 Holy power, thereby using one less SOTR.

so the damagebuff from the glyph is more DPS than one SOTR? (also it should have implications on AS)

if so, how often do we have to cast Wog/EF on a friendly target for it to be on that spott?


I naturally assumed the user would be specced for Eternal Flame, and wouldn't actively WoG outside of keeping EF up. This is of course debate-able, as people use different 'rules' for keeping EF active. If you don't use Eternal Flame, you probably do not want to use the WoG glyph.

I just checked (I'm EU, so 5.4.1), and with the Glyph, if I cast EF on myself, I do receive the following buff: Glyph of Word of Glory



Schroom wrote:similar question as Thels.

for TMI what defensive impact has AS and even more IT? we don't even use SoT.... at least not for TMI...


IT should have zero effect, since we're not using SoT. AS might have a minuscule effect, since it increases our damage output, and thus reduces the length of the fight, but I don't think that's how the sim works.

The sim does include RNG, so if 2 setups are supposed to give identical results, one might have gotten just a tad luckier than the other on the rare occasion. These minor differences don't matter if one setup is actually stronger than the other, since the difference in strength usually outweights the difference in RNG, but if two setups are identical, RNG will favor one over the other.

If Theck were to run things again, I'm pretty sure we'd get the results in a different order, with some results replaced by others. They'll all have DS, and none of them will have BH. Other than that, they'll be unpredictable.

Though it makes me wonder why AW's not listed in the top one. Is it's benefit so insignificant that RNG knocks it off the top spot, or does the rotation never pop AW?
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby Schroom » Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:52 am

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I just checked (I'm EU, so 5.4.1), and with the Glyph, if I cast EF on myself, I do receive the following buff: Glyph of Word of Glory


ok. thanks just came home and wanted to test it myself (and i will in a coupleof minutes)

allthough this is new then? or did I miss this completely and messed it up? :P
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby Thels » Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:08 am

I don't think it has been changed, but I'm not sure. I never actually used the Glyph as pre-EF it wasn't worth it.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby theckhd » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:30 pm

Thels wrote:So for DPS, our best glyphs are, in order:

- Focused Shield (Of course, this would only apply against a single target.)
- Word of Glory
- Alabaster Shield
- Final Wrath

So take the top 1, 2 or 3 depending on how many utility glyphs you take, and for fights where you want to damage more than 1 target, replace Focused Shield by the next glyph on the list, or perhaps with Double Jeopardy?

Yep. I haven't simmed DJ yet because it's not properly implemented in SimC yet. On the to-do list, but low priority.

Thels wrote:Though I wonder why the Focused Shield-Holy Wrath-Word of Glory glyph combo has such a high TMI in comparison to the others.

Probably not true to within error margins. The sims are already suffering from the "you generate more HPS than you take in DTPS, on average" problem which exaggerates RNG a bit. I'd have to look back at the raw data, but I think the TMI uncertainty is in the hundreds for those runs.

Thels wrote:The glyphs for lowest TMI are a mess. All 10 entries list DP and 2 other entries at random. The probable cause is that DP is the only glyph that affects TMI.

Yeah, at this point DP is the only glyph that has any significant effect, so the "low TMI" sets are just all DP + random stuff. I haven't decided what (if anything) to do about that yet. In some sense, it's sort of irrelevant since we only have one glyph that matters for TMI, so we could really get by with two setups to see the effect: E/E/E and E/E/DP.



Thels wrote:Also, in either top 10 glyph lists, if the first slot is empty, it includes that line twice.

That's... odd, but I think I can guess why that's happening. Shouldn't be hard to fix.

Thels wrote:For DPS and TMI, does it assume you cast HP on yourself or your opponent? For ES I assume you cast it on your opponent. Perhaps it would be interesting to include two variants of HP and ES. One self-targeted and one boss-targeted, but I don't know how tricky it is to pull that off.

Cast on an enemy. At this point there's no way to do that in the sim itself without some restructuring, unless we define some conditional that can be implemented on the APL to do it for us (i.e. cast it on self if incoming_damage_5s>0.3*max_health or some such). If you want to compare "always cast on enemy" to "always cast on self," we'd need to change APLs while we're changing talents. Could do that by having 5 talent options that tier to include "ESS" and "HPS" variants of the talents (and automatically switch APL when those are chosen). Or just hard-code the one or two special cases we need (i.e. X-Y-Z-ESS, and then compare to the X-Y-Z-ES line to see what changes).
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby theckhd » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:31 pm

Thels wrote:I don't think it has been changed, but I'm not sure. I never actually used the Glyph as pre-EF it wasn't worth it.


It has always affected self-heals. Maybe Schroom is remembering when they hotfixed it to stop it from proccing off of offensively-cast WoGs via Harsh Words?
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby Schroom » Wed Dec 11, 2013 1:25 am

yeah I guess I misinterpreted it back than, and read the hotfix wrong maybe, or something stuck, but wrong context. I tested it myself yesterday and it works great.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby Halide » Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:49 am

Unless i'm interpreting this wrong, wouldn't that mean there is basically no situation to use ES in, single target dps HP is better, suitability (TMI)+ AoE LH is better?
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| Talents | L45 | L60 | L75 | L90 |    DPS |    HPS |   DTPS |   TMI |    Err |   %Err |  SotR |
|  312231 |  EF |  US |  DP |  ES | 388627 | 149833 | 150132 | 272.4 |  54.20 | 19.90% | 73.0% |
|  312233 |  EF |  US |  DP |  HP | 399801 | 149415 | 149725 | 329.6 |  65.80 | 20.00% | 73.0% |

And just checking, ES has the lower TMI, that is just statistical error or whatever? I can't see why ES would be better than HP if both are cast on enemy?
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby theckhd » Wed Dec 11, 2013 7:03 am

Note that the "error" (which is really just a measure of the variance of the distribution in this case) on the TMI measurement is ~60. Thus, the two TMI values are within simulation error of one another, and are indistinguishable for statistical purposes. That's part of the "self-sufficiency" problem when simming against heavier-hitting bosses. I'll probably have to pull some tricks to artificially dampen Vengeance in order to curb that problem.

HP pulls ahead in DPS because of (a) better scaling, and (b) more free GCDs. This is more noticeable with EF than with SS.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby econ21 » Thu Dec 12, 2013 4:01 am

The glyph results are intuitive, to me at least. If I am reading the table right, FS is a about a 4.2% dps increase, WoG a 1.9% increase, AS a 1.4% increase and FW a 0.9% increase. The WoG result is close to the 1.8% I got from a back of the envelope calculation:

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The AS and FW gains are somewhat lower than I inferred from earlier matlab results - maybe that's a gear scaling issue. I often favor FW over AS as it seems that there are quick a few fights where more dps at the end of a fight is more important than more dps at the start (often fights where you would not want to bloodlust on the pull). It might be good to link these results in your glyph and talents guide in due course.

The HP result is surprising - I used to think I was bad for not using ES on some fights for more dps, although I often justified this by my tendency to often forget to use ES enough with its awkward 1 min CD; I find surprisingly many openings to use HP in my rotation (often liking it for its heal, its AOE aggro or its range).
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