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Re: All about sports

Postby Fridmarr » Sat Nov 30, 2013 5:49 pm

I'm likely in the minority, but more and more I think the college game has passed up the NFL in entertainment value.

The NFL has painted itself into a corner, by skewing the rules so heavily towards passing, the game has become less interesting, less safe, and less team oriented. I realize that college has mostly followed with similar rule changes, but the diversity of talent at that level makes up for it.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Sat Nov 30, 2013 6:46 pm

Fridmarr wrote:I'm likely in the minority, but more and more I think the college game has passed up the NFL in entertainment value.

The NFL has painted itself into a corner, by skewing the rules so heavily towards passing, the game has become less interesting, less safe, and less team oriented. I realize that college has mostly followed with similar rule changes, but the diversity of talent at that level makes up for it.


Alabama better not stay as a #1 then.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Fridmarr » Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:25 pm

Obviously they won't, but the post season is the worst aspect of the college game. It's getting better though, whereas the NFL in my opinion peaked a few years ago.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Shoju » Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:12 pm

I hate the FBS, BCS, monstrosity. I hate ESPN. their dick sucking bias towards the SEC is so all encompassing.

In other news:

Josh Gordon is the Optimus Prime to Calvin Johnson's Megatron. It infuriates me that we have such a terrible QB throwing him the ball.
OSU / Mich was a great game. Far more entertaining than I would have thought.
Alabama / Auburn was HILARIOUS
BGSU in the MAC Championship game! I'm pretty excited, even though I have to watch ESPN to watch the game. I find myself in a conundrum. Do I root for BGSU, knowing that beating NIU will only result in talk about how "not good" NIU really was, and BGSU goes to the Little Ceasar's bowl, or do I root for NIU to win, get a BCS game, and BGSU still end up at the little ceasar's bowl? Tough Call. 10-3 is far cooler than 9-4, especially with the schedule, and even though it wont result in a ranking for the Falcons.
Peyton better hope that it's unseasonably warm in NY in Feb. I don't see him getting another ring otherwise. He also better hope that the hoody and the brady bunch get beat by someone else.
WTF happened to the Colts?
Did anyone, not a fan of the teams that played last night watch that game? What a terrible sunday night game.
Bengals D looked good yesterday
ATL finding a way to win at this point in the season is too little too late
49ers are starting to put it together, but I don't think they are much of a contender anymore
the bears..... wow...
Butt Fumbler doesn't get benched, rookie does... Man Rex Ryan is confounding.
So... the eagles are back over 500, that's crazy.
Carolina looks like a legitimate playoff team.
NE still looks... off. Something is wrong there.
At least the steelers lost, and Tomlin is going to get fined OUT THE ASS.
dallas is not fun to watch.
Detroit... Man... They look better each week.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:46 pm

If Det looks good, is because the rest of the NFC north stinks even worse. =(

Also, he never benched Sanchez because that would mean putting Tebow out there, and he hated Tebow.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Shoju » Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:22 pm

True that.

I fired up the spreadsheet that I keep QB stats on, and input the numbers for the season so far into it, and have a few interesting things to comment about the season.

1.) 6 fewer Qb's have been trotted out there to take snaps this season. That's interesting, considering it "feels" like there have been more QB volatile situations this year. Cleveland, GB, Buffalo, and Houston all come to mind as using 3+ QB's.
2.) Snaps Per TD league wide is still pretty constant. Last Season 25.02 Snaps per TD. This season 25.08.
3.) Snaps Per INT is also pretty constant, though there is at least a "relevant" movement. 43.73 this season, 43.92 last season. While .2 snaps isn't "huge" I'd say it at least "registers" as opposed to the .06 snaps per TD
4.) Snaps per fumble are down 2.1 snaps this season... That's rather significant I think.
5.) Snaps per Sack is pretty noticable. Last season: 17.58 SpSack. This season 15.94.
6.) Yds per snap moved up .03, to 6.11 yards per snap.
7.) Snaps Negative Play, is obviously up as well, since Snaps Per Sack went up.

in other news, It's no surprise that Peyton Manning is leading the league in Meaningful Snaps (Snaps where he either pass, ran, or was sacked), or that this season is absolutely bonkers historically when compared to other amazing seasons. He has a legitimate shot to destroy a lot of Marino's records, even the ones that were broken in recent memory by brees and brady.

But, Manning is also taking 4.5 more meaningful snaps per game than last season, and 6 more per game than marino did in his best season.

If I were a betting man, I'd say that the "meaningful portions" of the careers of:

Blaine Gabbert
Matt Flynn
Geno Smith
and Brandon Weeden will be VERY Short.

They are the worst offenders of teh SnPNegPlay of QB's that have started. Now, geno may be a rookie, but he is.... Well... the worst of any QB in the past two seasons, and it's not even close.

On the other hand, using any metric I have in my Sheet, Matt McGloin is performing better than any RC/2nd year Qb in the last two seasons, except 1. Nick Foles.

Mark my words, Nick Foles is going to be a "big deal", and if Philly goes back to Vick, Chip Kelly should be fired. The numbers are just.... Astonishing. Foles is a Numbers wizard, and destroys vick in every single category. EVEN if you take out Foles "big" game of 7tds.

If people want numbers, I can post them.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Flex » Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:27 pm

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And of course Darren Rovell's tweet about it was how it was good for the dude's brand that he wasn't charged with rape.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Shoju » Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:11 pm

Oh! Another interesting fact.

At the end of last season, I was able to find "Mr. Average" for the league. The QB that had stats so... shockingly similar to the average stat line of a team's production that it was uncanny. Last Season, that person was Carson Palmer, who.... outside of the Rushing Numbers (because those do get skewed by the few who run), was within statistical anomaly tolerances of the league average, almost as if he "was" the benchmark.

So far this season? The closest is Ryan Tannehill, and he isn't as close as Palmer was last year.

Last Season Avg Stats for a starting QB
337.66 / 553.97 - 60.95% - 3919.31 yds - 36.38 sacks - -234.53 yds lost - 23.5 tds - 14.56 ints - 49.25 Rush - 205.28 yds - 2 RTD - 8 Fumbles

Carson Palmer Last Year
345 / 565 - 61.06% - 4018 yds - 26 sacks - -199 yds lost - 22 tds - 14 ints - 18 rush - 36 yds - 1 RTD - 7 Fumbles

Outside of the yards from rushing, he was pretty effing close to "average"

This season Avg Stats for A starting QB
254.53 / 414.88 - 61.35% - 2993 yds - 30.56 sacks - -203.5 yds lost - 18.31 tds - 10.72 ints - 39.25 rush - 173.03 yds - 1.28 RTD - 6.31 Fumbles

Ryan Tannehill This year.
280/451 - 62.08% - 3115 yds - 45 sacks - -316 yds lost - 17 tds - 13 ints - 34 rush - 164 yds - 1 RTD - 8 Fumbles

Now, on the whole, his numbers come in a lot closer, as he has the rushing yards to make up where Palmer didn't. But, his sacks / yards are are too high, his ints are too high, and his c/a is a little too high for what I'd like to call him "mr average"

For some fun, I'm going to average out Weeden, Hoyer, and Campbell to see where they come in compared to average, as well as the more "mathy" stats for Hoyer, who I believe will probably be our starter next year.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Fridmarr » Thu Dec 05, 2013 8:52 pm

Shoju wrote:On the other hand, using any metric I have in my Sheet, Matt McGloin is performing better than any RC/2nd year Qb in the last two seasons, except 1. Nick Foles.
Not that I've watched the Raiders much, though I have been loosely following McGloin as an ex PSUer, but it surprises me a bit that he has better stats than Wilson. I get that Wilson probably doesn't have boggling yards or attempts numbers because they are pretty balanced offensively and they've dominated a bit so they aren't throwing all game to catch up, but I still would not have expected that.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Fridmarr » Fri Dec 06, 2013 9:04 am

Seattle sports media is reporting that Robinson Cano has signed with the Mariners.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Dec 06, 2013 9:50 am

Fridmarr wrote:Seattle sports media is reporting that Robinson Cano has signed with the Mariners.


Have they mentioned figures? If anything, all other sports agents should publicly bash Boras and A-Rod for poisoning the well regarding 200M+/7yr+ contracts

Edit:: Just found the figures. Retards...
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Re: All about sports

Postby Shoju » Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:20 am

Fridmarr wrote:
Shoju wrote:On the other hand, using any metric I have in my Sheet, Matt McGloin is performing better than any RC/2nd year Qb in the last two seasons, except 1. Nick Foles.
Not that I've watched the Raiders much, though I have been loosely following McGloin as an ex PSUer, but it surprises me a bit that he has better stats than Wilson. I get that Wilson probably doesn't have boggling yards or attempts numbers because they are pretty balanced offensively and they've dominated a bit so they aren't throwing all game to catch up, but I still would not have expected that.



Sorry, I meant Metric as in "advanced stat derived from other stats". And Going back and checking, There is one that Wilson is better than him at. Snaps per TD. Wilson holds a commanding advantage there. But in Snaps per INT, Snaps Per Fumble, Yards Per Snap, and Snaps per Negative Play, McGloin is doing better than Wilson. Some of them are pretty close, but the Mc is ahead.

on the Cano Front, I'm hearing 10yrs 240m, to a 31 year old. Someone needs to stop this insanity.

I wouldn't have a problem giving that kind of years/money to Trout, or to Harper. But to a 31 year old? I just can't see the economics of it. It's mind boggling.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Teranoid » Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:38 pm

The Mariners paying a guy 24 mil to still finish 4th in the West every year for the next 6 years (because there is no way Cano plays in Seattle for 10 years) is hilarious.

It's really like the AL West is where to go if you're a player looking for a huge payday or a front office brass who is out to sign the worse contracts in the history of the game.

I'm just surprised this 240 mil came from the Mariners and not the Angels perennial shitty contract powerhouse

Also lol Gary Kubiak got fired. You probably deserve it when you get swept by the Jags.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Dec 06, 2013 1:47 pm

Shoju wrote:
Fridmarr wrote:
Shoju wrote:On the other hand, using any metric I have in my Sheet, Matt McGloin is performing better than any RC/2nd year Qb in the last two seasons, except 1. Nick Foles.
Not that I've watched the Raiders much, though I have been loosely following McGloin as an ex PSUer, but it surprises me a bit that he has better stats than Wilson. I get that Wilson probably doesn't have boggling yards or attempts numbers because they are pretty balanced offensively and they've dominated a bit so they aren't throwing all game to catch up, but I still would not have expected that.



Sorry, I meant Metric as in "advanced stat derived from other stats". And Going back and checking, There is one that Wilson is better than him at. Snaps per TD. Wilson holds a commanding advantage there. But in Snaps per INT, Snaps Per Fumble, Yards Per Snap, and Snaps per Negative Play, McGloin is doing better than Wilson. Some of them are pretty close, but the Mc is ahead.

on the Cano Front, I'm hearing 10yrs 240m, to a 31 year old. Someone needs to stop this insanity.

I wouldn't have a problem giving that kind of years/money to Trout, or to Harper. But to a 31 year old? I just can't see the economics of it. It's mind boggling.


You would have thought that A-Rod's contract of 275M/10Yr, at the age of 32, would have been a lesson for GMs nationwide -- guess not.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:50 am

Looks like Ohio State is not going to the championship game
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Re: All about sports

Postby Fridmarr » Sun Dec 08, 2013 11:09 am

I'm hoping that we get today's weather in Philly for the super bowl. So much fun to watch...
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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Sun Dec 08, 2013 11:23 am

Fridmarr wrote:I'm hoping that we get today's weather in Philly for the super bowl. So much fun to watch...


I'd watch that, for lulz
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Re: All about sports

Postby Teranoid » Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:30 pm

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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:16 pm

Gronk is missing right knee, Gronk is injured, Gronk wants to play but cant, Gronk is sad.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:39 pm

NE Referees 27 - Cleveland Brownies 26
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Re: All about sports

Postby Shoju » Sun Dec 08, 2013 5:43 pm

Klaudandus wrote:NE Referees 27 - Cleveland Brownies 26
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The NFL owes Browns fans an apology.

Brady, in the tackle box, without a receiver close, throws the ball, which doesn't travel pass the LoS, and they pick up the flag for intentional grounding
Campbell, outside the tackle box, with a receiver close, does the same thing, passing the LoS, and they nail him for grounding.
Edelman gets hit in the chest, by a defender leading with his shoulder, and it's a personal foul, defenseless receiver
Then, the Phantom PI call in the end zone.

If the teams would have been in opposite roles, that wouldn't have been defenseless receiver. It wouldn't have been PI.

It's absolute Bullshit.

I wouldn't have minded one bit if the Patriots would have won the game. I wouldn't have minded one bit. The better team would have won. But to lose because the referees are too busy slobbering over the knob of Brady and the Hoodie is infuriating. You shouldn't have to fight against the refs terrible calls, and blatant bias to try and win a game.

The referees this season are ruining games. It seems like once a week, there is a game that is being ruined by a bad call.

And I'd like to say that I feel bad for Gronkowski. I really would. But he is a product of what the NFL as done. They have consistently flagged defenders for hits like what happened to edelman, a completely legit, and legal hit, so defenders are going low. And they will continue to go low, and take out players knees, until the NFL does something to change it. You can't make a tackle zone that extends from the waist down, and not expect players to have their knees destroyed. The unfortunate thing is, I don't see it changing until someone's career is ended because of it. Maybe, once someone's knees is pulverized to a point that they can't come back from it, we'll see the NFL do something, like make these stupid defenseless receiver hits reviewable, which at this point, is the only thing I can think of to make this situation any better.

But, that's what happens I guess. Sort of like the concussion issue. It took people dying, and killing themselves, and giving them a bad public image before they did something about it.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:12 pm

Yeah, that was some serious home cooking on behalf of the Referees.

That said, the Browns stank it up with that onside kick the Pats recovered that set things in motion. That was a very Cleveland Browns play.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Shoju » Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:15 pm

Klaudandus wrote:Yeah, that was some serious home cooking on behalf of the Referees.

That said, the Browns stank it up with that onside kick the Pats recovered that set things in motion. That was a very Cleveland Browns play.


OH I agree, though I think that there was a good dose of shell shocked involved in that.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Fridmarr » Sun Dec 08, 2013 8:53 pm

Sorry can't resist...integrity of the game :D
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Re: All about sports

Postby Teranoid » Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:10 pm

The NFL owes the Browns an apology and the Browns owe anyone who ever bought a ticket or considered themselves a fan of the team an apology for being one of the shittiest franchises in football year in and year out.
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