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SimC TMI oddity

Postby Deerwalk » Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:45 am

I ran myself though Simcraft to test out where I was in the scheme of things. Tried with the dps cloak and tank cloak and got some weird numbers. ~400k with the tank cloak and ~600k with the dps one. Both numbers point towards being very undergeared but I'm 553. I need to grab the results so anyone looking can get a better idea of whats going on. I was just hoping for thoughts on whats causing the oddly high numbers. Any help is appreciated.
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Re: SimC TMI oddity

Postby theckhd » Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:34 pm

Which TMI boss are you testing against? Also keep in mind that the bosses are tuned to simulate Garrosh on each difficulty, and he hits considerably harder than most of the rest of the instance.
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Re: SimC TMI oddity

Postby Deerwalk » Tue Oct 15, 2013 9:48 pm

T16 10man normal. Just killed Garrosh so I know he hits like a truck. The only thing I can think would put me so high is my health which is around 920k buffed which seems low compared to my co tank at 1.2m.
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Re: SimC TMI oddity

Postby Schroom » Tue Oct 15, 2013 11:40 pm

your HP should be fine. Palatanks usually run with a little less HP. I?m at 930 buffed with 9/14 HM. only for some Bosses (like malkorok HM) I found mor HP to be important. (and stamina trinkets do the trick here)
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Re: SimC TMI oddity

Postby theckhd » Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:27 am

I'm not sure what's causing your problem. If I import your character into SimC 540-4 and pit you against the T16N10 boss, I get a TMI of around 800. And that's with Holy Avenger and Sacred Shield talented. SS->EF drops it to 185ish, HA->DP drops it to 178.

Simming your character against the 16H10 boss (and using EF/DP) gives me about 366k, so maybe you were testing against the 10H boss? That's expecting an average ilvl of 566+ (probably closer to 575, really, given item upgrades and warforged gear).
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Re: SimC TMI oddity

Postby Deerwalk » Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:04 pm

Quickly simming myself(10k iterations)again double checking the boss t16h10 gave me ~115m and t16n10 have me around 577k, both were done with a dps cloak but the normal number lines up with previous sims. I'm using 540-3 if that can help at all. How can I post old results so you can take a look?
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Re: SimC TMI oddity

Postby theckhd » Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:31 am

Don't use 540-3, I fixed a couple important bugs between 540-3 and 540-4. In addition, the TMI bosses changed between those two versions, so we can't directly compare 540-3 results to 540-4.
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Re: SimC TMI oddity

Postby Deerwalk » Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:42 am

A quick check with the newest version put me at 109k against t16n10. That seems a little off from the 800 you got earlier, but its an improvement for sure.
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Re: SimC TMI oddity

Postby theckhd » Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:07 pm

I'm not sure what you're doing differently; here's what I get for the character linked in your signature:
https://sites.google.com/site/theckhd/s ... 16N10.html
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Re: SimC TMI oddity

Postby Deerwalk » Fri Oct 18, 2013 2:01 pm

What other settings would effect TMI? Like light movement instead of patchwerk? There's an actor only tmi option that's disabled I'll give that a shot too.
Edit: started testing different fight styles out, might have found part of the issue.
Patchwerk - 494.2
Light Movement - 119.2k
Heavy Movement - 140.3k
(Cleave kept crashing SimC that's something entirely different to look into though)
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Re: SimC TMI oddity

Postby Rorschach » Sun Nov 03, 2013 5:03 pm

I got some weird TMI results too

I'm using 540-5

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/s ... h/advanced

I got:
80400.3 TMI (T16H10 Patchwerk) seems high to me considering the next result:
103.7 TMI (T16N10 Patchwerk)
67299 TMI (T16H10 Patchwerk)

And this one against T1610H Light Movement at 1.16e+009 TMI oO
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/235 ... _html.html

I tested with another palatank on my server
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/s ... l/advanced
He got 2039.7k against T16H10 Patchwerk
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Re: SimC TMI oddity

Postby theckhd » Tue Nov 05, 2013 7:24 am

The light/heavy movement settings are going to be completely useless here - they're basically assuming you have time off-target, which means lower holy power generation. It's expected that TMI will skyrocket under those conditions, I'm not sure you can get much useful information out of them.

80k seems like a reasonable TMI for an 557-ilvl paladin against a T16H10 boss. Keep in mind that the T16H10 is modeled on heroic Garrosh, so it's sort of expected that you'll be in nearly full heroic gear, much of it warforged. It's expecting an ilvl in the high 570's, about 20 ilvls higher than your gear. That means 20% more stats, give or take, which is a fairly large amount.

My best guess for the different results from the other paladin is that they're using a stamina trinket and you're not, so they have almost 100k more health. But without seeing the actual reports it's hard to draw any solid conclusions (e.g. both of you may have changed gear/talents/etc. since the sim was run, so the armory may not match what's being simmed).
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