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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Oct 08, 2013 2:23 pm

Fivelives wrote:I think Michelle Obama should run for 2016 presidency on the Democrat ticket. Or Oprah. Or any sufficiently famous black woman.

Why? Because of two things, really:

1) she's noticeably "blacker" than Barack Obama, which would stick in the right's craw
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2) she's a woman, which would DEFINITELY stick in the right's craw.

And they need a huge shock to get out of the rut they're in of being misogynistic, racist, selfish prigs. A black woman as the "most powerful man in the free world" would deliver that huge shock to their system. Hell, we might even see professional congresscritters drop dead of apoplexy when the new president is sworn in.

However, I don't think the GOP is going to survive this shutdown with all of their seats intact. We're coming up on midterm elections next year, aren't we? And the only way that the republican majority in the house even has a snowball's chance in hell of surviving is if we don't hit the default. Which is in roughly about 9 days, I think? I heard something about October 17th somewhere.

Anyway, here's another out-of-touch-with-reality-congresscritter making my state look bad: http://news.yahoo.com/arizona-de-fuhrer ... 42788.html


Yeah, I saw the whole Fuhrer thing...

Still isn't as bad as my state, since it gave us Ted Cruz and what started the whole shutdown in the first place.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Fivelives » Wed Oct 09, 2013 2:19 am

That's a one-time thing. After this I imagine the tea party is going to lose a lot of seats and moderate republicans (or "RINOs") are going to gain quite a bit in the 2014 midterm elections.

But you still can't spell crazy without R(AZ). To put it in terms, Arizona effectively seceded when our state government decided to pass a law saying that we don't have to follow federal law if we don't want to. It's gone fairly unremarked considering the sheer level of insanity in the right at the federal level (climate change deniers, birthers, truthers, creationists, shutdown, obama = antichrist, etc), but if it were ever a slow news day, politically speaking, it would've sparked some major outrage.

The law takes effect in 2014, assuming Brewer signs it. Considering Brewer just got denied like 4 times running by FEMA what with all the out-of-season wildfires we're having this year, I think it's highly likely that she'll sign it. I mean hell, she already called Obama a "nigger" to his face and refused to shake his hand (remember the state visit Obama paid to AZ during that whole SB1070 thing? Yeah...), so the next logical step is secession.

Which is also coming up for a vote. Yearly.

Granted, AZ doesn't have the large footprint that TX does, what with the whole textbook revision thing you guys have going on down there, but still... I'm just glad that I'm getting the hell out of this state when my contract is up next summer and back to where rational people live.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby cdan » Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:57 am

Would be funny to see a state secede and watch the panic when the federal money dries up and people realise just what they have voted for. Would shut the other secession discussing states up in a hurry.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:03 am

It's pretty much the reason why Rick Perry has stopped talking about seceding.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Fivelives » Wed Oct 09, 2013 7:19 am

cdan wrote:Would be funny to see a state secede and watch the panic when the federal money dries up and people realise just what they have voted for. Would shut the other secession discussing states up in a hurry.


It'll be Arizona. One of our representatives is known as Steve "Secession" Smith. I swear, Arizona is like the Tea Party's winter home or something (their summer home is up in Alaska, where they join Sarah Palin in watching Russia from her backyard, where they scan the sky for nuclear launches).

Edit to add: did anyone catch Obama's 1h15m press conference yesterday? I was at work, so didn't see any of it, but I heard bullet points. Something about how the republicans had refused 19 budget proposals from the senate that were the exact same thing that the house republicans had submitted?

Definitely coming out firing with both barrels, since most of the conservative news outlets have been saying how Obama isn't willing to come out and talk to them, etc. He spent a lot of the time in his press conference calling them out and saying "I'm here, you guys aren't" and even had a barb aimed at Boehner in particular.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:55 am

I still don't see how the GOP can come out of this unscathed.

This boils down like someone asking if they can set your house on fire, or at least one part of it, and when you keep saying no, they accuse you of not compromising.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby cdan » Wed Oct 09, 2013 10:58 am

I just want to bomb your garage and basement. I'll leave the upper floors completely alone. How can you be so unreasonable!
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Paxen » Wed Oct 09, 2013 1:00 pm

So you're saying the repubs are Zombie Bob?

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:07 pm

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Arjuna » Thu Oct 10, 2013 12:35 am

Judging from your sig, I'm guessing you are the speedwagon guy commenting on that article Klaudandus? :P
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Oct 10, 2013 3:59 am

Arjuna wrote:Judging from your sig, I'm guessing you are the speedwagon guy commenting on that article Klaudandus? :P


Actually? No
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Arjuna » Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:51 am

Klaudandus wrote:
Arjuna wrote:Judging from your sig, I'm guessing you are the speedwagon guy commenting on that article Klaudandus? :P


Actually? No

Well, it was a qualified guess. :)
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Skye1013 » Thu Oct 10, 2013 1:16 pm

I'll just leave this here:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/b ... them-right

P.S. Despite what it looks like... it isn't a sports thread thing...
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Oct 10, 2013 5:34 pm

http://www.nationaljournal.com/daily/te ... #pq=Z5o1qK
"Waaah!!! Obama is too mean to us!"

*facedesk*
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Skye1013 » Thu Oct 10, 2013 7:40 pm

Klaudandus wrote:http://www.nationaljournal.com/daily/tea-partiers-say-obama-s-too-mean-20131009?mrefid=LeadStoryTiles_medium#pq=Z5o1qK
"Waaah!!! Obama is too mean to us!"

*facedesk*


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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Oct 11, 2013 5:51 am

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Oct 11, 2013 2:24 pm

Skye1013 wrote:I'll just leave this here:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/b ... them-right

P.S. Despite what it looks like... it isn't a sports thread thing...


The senator replied, it was awful
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Oct 11, 2013 2:30 pm

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/politics ... soon-video

Tony Perkins, the leader of Family Research Council, which sponsored the summit said Cruz was “a de facto leader of the Republican Party” who was “filling a vacuum” at the top of the GOP.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Sat Oct 12, 2013 12:05 pm

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/32820 ... ith-senate

Now the GOP is upset with Obama for negotiating with the GOP
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby KysenMurrin » Sat Oct 12, 2013 2:36 pm

So here's the question: Are they just doing to find a way to get an acceptable deal through, or are they also doing it deliberately to further the ideological split in the Republican party?
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Sat Oct 12, 2013 4:07 pm

KysenMurrin wrote:So here's the question: Are they just doing to find a way to get an acceptable deal through, or are they also doing it deliberately to further the ideological split in the Republican party?


I'm pretty sure the GOP leaders are tired of the Tea Partiers within their ranks -- but the Tea Partiers do have some power, specially at the base.

Either way, don't care much seeing I like how the party is imploding, although it pisses me off they're dragging the country along with them.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Fetzie » Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:57 am

Figured this fitted better here than in the General Discussion\Amusements thread:

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Sometimes it really amazes me how your (the US) government never thought to include a mechanism for ordering new elections if something like this should happen. Maybe have the President ask the Supreme Court to judge whether the conduct of the House and/or Senate is constitutional or not, and if not to order immediate elections for that part of Congress.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:41 am

I know some liberal blogger was saying the House and Senate should be charged with extortion under the Hobbs act, and thus make the legal jump to sedition under title 18, chapter 15 to sedition.

Honestly? I dont think it qualifies for either, wish it would but...
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Nooska » Mon Oct 14, 2013 11:54 am

Or simply a mechanism that allows the president or either chamber of the house to petition SCOTUS for approval of early elections (for the house or senate or both) in case of such a budgetary crisis.
If found valid, elections are ordered by the petitioner within a set time, with a continuing resolution to keep government running (at the last agreed upon level) till elections are done and the new house/senate is validated - the newly elected representatives/senators should only serve the remainder of the period.

I don't see how it could be used for the presidency and remain within the framework set up by the constitution in regards to the way the government is run - I do believe impeachment is actually an option for most things (like a president continuously vetoing a budget bill - someone more knowledgable of US politics can say more) - of course this doesn't trigger a new election, merely a succession.

I do see an issue with my forst proposal in regards to the way both house and senate work that only half teh members are up for election at a time, but I'm sure something could be worked out with eitehr a proviso that the senior members are the only ones up, or that you simply elect 2 people for each district, the number 1 and the number 2, either with 2 votes per voter, so it was possible to have a double rep/dem ticket work, or with the way the presidential ticket works - so a ticket with 2 people that get elected together (longer term at the top, shorter term at the bottom)
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Skye1013 » Tue Oct 15, 2013 11:04 pm

Nooska wrote:Or simply a mechanism that allows the president or either chamber of the house to petition SCOTUS for approval of early elections (for the house or senate or both) in case of such a budgetary crisis.
If found valid, elections are ordered by the petitioner within a set time, with a continuing resolution to keep government running (at the last agreed upon level) till elections are done and the new house/senate is validated - the newly elected representatives/senators should only serve the remainder of the period.

I don't see how it could be used for the presidency and remain within the framework set up by the constitution in regards to the way the government is run - I do believe impeachment is actually an option for most things (like a president continuously vetoing a budget bill - someone more knowledgable of US politics can say more) - of course this doesn't trigger a new election, merely a succession.

I do see an issue with my forst proposal in regards to the way both house and senate work that only half teh members are up for election at a time, but I'm sure something could be worked out with eitehr a proviso that the senior members are the only ones up, or that you simply elect 2 people for each district, the number 1 and the number 2, either with 2 votes per voter, so it was possible to have a double rep/dem ticket work, or with the way the presidential ticket works - so a ticket with 2 people that get elected together (longer term at the top, shorter term at the bottom)

Firstly, just wanted to correct you slightly in that it's one-third that goes up for election each time.

Secondly, are you suggesting a revote of all of Congress or strictly those determined to be causing the issue? I'd think to be fair, you'd have to hold a complete revote, but perhaps allow the incumbents a chance to keep their seats. If the public decides that certain members are the problem, they'll get booted by popular vote (theoretically.)

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