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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Nikachelle » Tue Sep 24, 2013 11:08 am

Arnock wrote:
Shoju wrote:90 pounds by my birthday achieved.

I kicked ass. Now, 100 by christmas.


Congrats shoju!

After losing that much weight, 10 lbs over 3 months should be nothing =P

Except it gets harder and harder the less you weigh! (Not being a downer, Shoju's already remarked on how he's noticed that he's not putting out as big numbers in terms of loss as he was at the start.)
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Nikachelle » Tue Sep 24, 2013 11:20 am

I hit 150 pounds again this morning, which means only another 5 pounds to lose by Christmas (*fingers crossed*), and another 10 overall until I hit my "goal weight". I'll reassess my situation when I hit 140 pounds. I'm not sure I can be bothered to pull off dropping somewhere between 130 and 139.) I'm so close to the 140s that I can taste it!

I've switched to barbells for a lot of my weightlifting at the gym now (which I suppose I should've been doing all along, but that "man" area is just so rife with gym stereotypes that it always felt a bit awkward going up to the squat racks with my piddly amounts of weights on the bars). The reason I've ended up switching to barbells now is that gripping those dumbbells was becoming impossible. Holding 30-35 pounds in each hand for squats was just stupid and painful as my hands were giving out before my legs were.

I just wish the bars didn't weigh 45 pounds! I feel silly only adding 5 pounds onto the bench press one (and I only did it because I didn't want to just be lifting the bar!) It'll go up eventually but for now my little plates look so sad.

And not sure if anyone has any thoughts on this... but if your gym has no deadlift platform, is it okay to do them in the squat rack?
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby cdan » Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:23 pm

Doing deads in the rack is fine. Doing curls in the rack is Verboten! and should earn the curler a Bert stare.

Don't worry about what weight you put on that bar - just doing any barbell squats at all puts you miles ahead of most people who go to a gym.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Fridmarr » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:04 pm

Can you just use an open spot on the floor? It seems like a waste to lock up the squat rack for dead lifts.

And yeah, don't sweat the what the weight looks like. You get far more "points" for even doing a bench press than you could ever lose by having little weights at the end of the bar.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Nikachelle » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:37 pm

Oh barbell squat weight isn't the problem - I'm doing 70 pounds atm and increasing to 100 won't be an issue. I've been increasing roughly 5-10 pounds every week just so I don't destroy myself with high weight all of a sudden. (My muscles had almost an allergic reaction the first time I started lifting and it put me out of commission for about 5 days, so I'm leery about increasing too quickly.) It's the bench press that makes me look pathetic.

And unfortunately there's just no open space on the floor aside from in front of the squat rack. Even the two squat racks seem almost too close to each other. The place is pretty well crammed full of stuff. I did see some guy pull a bench over to the Smith machine, stand on it, and proceed to do deadlifts on it (with his feet together). Was seriously odd looking.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Arnock » Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:08 pm

It usually isn't frowned upon at my gym. But, then again, people also love taking the squat/power racks for curls and shrugs...
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby cdan » Wed Sep 25, 2013 6:37 am

Nikachelle wrote:I did see some guy pull a bench over to the Smith machine, stand on it, and proceed to do deadlifts on it (with his feet together). Was seriously odd looking.


Was he doing Romanian Dead-Lifts (stiff-legged)? Even if he wasn't doing stiff-legged lifts he might just have been looking for the extra range of motion the bench would give and the extra stretch at the bottom. Although if he wasn't doing Romanians then he's not really getting much out of that extra ROM.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Nikachelle » Wed Sep 25, 2013 7:54 am

Can't remember which kind they were tbh. But I thought legs together was a big no no for any kind of deadlift?
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Fivelives » Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:27 pm

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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Nikachelle » Thu Sep 26, 2013 11:43 am

I ended up using some pre-set barbells that have some funny ass curve in the middle. It looks like this set goes up to about 120 pounds, so I'm fine using that until I outgrow that weight. Since I did 50 pounds this week, and will be doing 60 pounds next week, it'll take me a while to grow out of them. (And they're not as ridiculously long as the Olympic bars so I can move them into the smaller spaces to use them.)

I still can't get over the feeling of just how weird doing deadlifts feels. I've looked up form until my eyes bleed and yet whenever I do it just FEELS wrong. Maybe the weight is too low, but I just don't really feel it anywhere in my muscles yet. And I know you're supposed to feel it through the back of the thighs but I definitely don't as of yet. (Doing stiff leg btw, when I've tried to do regular ones, I feel like I'm doing too much of a squat.)
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Fridmarr » Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:00 pm

I would recommend against stiff leg. It's not as effective, it won't help much with regular deadlifts, and it's a riskier exercise as far as injury. Don't worry that the normal deadlift doesn't feel like it's working you yet. It's a naturally strong exercise so it will start out easy. But it can also be an awkward motion (as it seems you are learning), and the best way to get that motion correct is by starting out with light weight and working your way up. That way you are addressing the neurological component (muscle memory) without having the weight itself cause you to break form.

The bar you described sounds like a curl bar, that might create an odd grip for deadlifts. You don't want to have your wrists tilted like you do for curls.

If you aren't sticking big plates on the end of the bar, then you might be starting too close to the ground, and that may be why you feel like you are squatting. If that's the case, don't go all the way to the ground with each rep, just get down so that your upper legs are parallel to the ground, your back is at 45 degrees (not rounded), and your arms are extended straight down, then come back up. Once you put bigger plates on the bar, it will naturally sit high enough for you (unless you are particularly tall) and reach the ground on each rep.

Of the big three, Squats, Bench, and Deadlifts, nothing kicks my ass more than deadlifts (and they're on my schedule tonight...). For my last set, I may only be doing 6 reps, but at the end I'll be barely able to move and be completely out of breath for a solid 30 seconds. It uses a lot of big muscles.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Arnock » Thu Sep 26, 2013 7:45 pm

Agreed on not doing straight-leg deadlifts, they target different muscle groups, and won't target your whole body as easily as a conventional deadlift.

Deadlifts really feel weird until the weight starts to go up, especially since you're using smaller plates, so you have to start much lower, it'll feel much better once you get up to 95+ or 135+

Try watching this series of videos. I haven't actually seen his deadlift videos, but his squat videos are great.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS2wLZSdeDg


EDIT: Also, what kind of shoes are you lifting in? Soft-soled running shoes will make your base MUCH less stable. Try going barefoot if your gym allows it, or get a pair of converse to wear when lifting.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Fivelives » Thu Sep 26, 2013 9:42 pm

If it feels too much like a squat, think of it this way:

For a squat, you start the rep with the weight above you (on your shoulders) then go down and come up. For a deadlift, you start with the weight on the ground. They work mostly the same muscles, although deadlifts engage your back more than squats (squats engage the core). Deadlifts also engage your arms too - especially the shoulders and forearms.

Third on the recommendation against stiff-legging it. It's a damn good way to screw up your back.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby cdan » Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:19 am

Wasn't suggesting anybody actually do Romanians, I just described them. They're great for hamstrings and definitely not a replacement for deads. If you are doing them you are not even thinking about the same universe as deadlifts. They are not a novice exercise though either. Like proper Good Mornings they require a base level of expertise and strength before doing them - hence the misconception that they are a bad for your back.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby katraya » Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:16 am

Fridmarr wrote:
If you aren't sticking big plates on the end of the bar, then you might be starting too close to the ground, and that may be why you feel like you are squatting. If that's the case, don't go all the way to the ground with each rep, just get down so that your upper legs are parallel to the ground, your back is at 45 degrees (not rounded), and your arms are extended straight down, then come back up. Once you put bigger plates on the bar, it will naturally sit high enough for you (unless you are particularly tall) and reach the ground on each rep.


You can also make platforms for your deadlift bar by stacking plates. This will allow the bar to be at the right height. Otherwise you're doing deadlifts from a deficit which are harder and will make you feel "squaty."

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