Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby Fenrìr » Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:22 pm

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Eternal Flame's heal-over-time effect is increased by 50% when used on the Paladin (down from 100%).





I just...I dunno...lol
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:30 pm

Fenrìr wrote:
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Eternal Flame's heal-over-time effect is increased by 50% when used on the Paladin (down from 100%).





I just...I dunno...lol

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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby Fetzie » Mon Sep 23, 2013 7:14 pm

So that basically means "take whatever you like, at least until you have the T16 bonus"?
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby Fenris » Tue Sep 24, 2013 3:52 am

Aaaaand back to sacred shield i go
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby Thels » Tue Sep 24, 2013 5:19 am

Napkin math learns us that EF still is stronger per tick at 4 or 5 BoG stacks, and about equal at 3 BoG stacks.

And that's per tick. EF ticks twice as often (though SS has the advantage of being an absorb, and hanging around until it's used).
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby Fetzie » Tue Sep 24, 2013 5:36 am

Thels wrote:Napkin math learns us that EF still is stronger per tick at 4 or 5 BoG stacks, and about equal at 3 BoG stacks.

And that's per tick. EF ticks twice as often (though SS has the advantage of being an absorb, and hanging around until it's used).


*and not needing to wait ~20 seconds before you can reasonably cast it
*and not costing holy power
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby Marilee » Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:28 am

Reduced the activation rate for caster and healer Legendary cloak effects for characters in a tanking specialization by 75%.


Eh???? Were people using caster/healer legendary cloaks as tanks?
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby daishan » Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:34 am

I think Sloot tested the healer one on ptr and said it wasn't worth it.
I did hear last night that some tanks where getting crazy high dps from the caster cloak but I couldn't find any logs to back it up.
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby Fetzie » Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:39 am

Marilee wrote:
Reduced the activation rate for caster and healer Legendary cloak effects for characters in a tanking specialization by 75%.


Eh???? Were people using caster/healer legendary cloaks as tanks?


The caster dps cloak would spread a DoT to everything in melee range that dealt damage equal to 2x spell power (= AP) over 4 seconds. What with getting 400-500k AP in heroic modes, that was a ton of damage on add fights.
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby Sagara » Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:43 am

Glad that came to pass before I heard about it. Running aorund with -THREE- legendary capes would have been... unusual XD
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby theckhd » Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:06 am

Marilee wrote:
Reduced the activation rate for caster and healer Legendary cloak effects for characters in a tanking specialization by 75%.


Eh???? Were people using caster/healer legendary cloaks as tanks?

Yes: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/6f42 ... 535&e=2037
(Note that this is 25H, WoL currently doesn't recognize the difference between N and H)

Essence of Yu'lon (DPS cloak proc) was 18% of my damage done, second only to AS.
Not sure if the healer cloak would have really been worth it (though if it ended up allowing you to drop a healer, then on some fights it would be), but probably better for them to just hit it preemptively.
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby Ruldar » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:04 am

30% less wild imp damage and 40% reduced chance for UVLS procs? The Lock is going to be feeling those changes.
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby Newsom » Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:16 am

daishan wrote:I think Sloot tested the healer one on ptr and said it wasn't worth it.
I did hear last night that some tanks where getting crazy high dps from the caster cloak but I couldn't find any logs to back it up.


Our logs are private but I can confirm the caster cloak did some really crazy numbers, especially on cleave fights like Spoils. It was usually my top damage ability (close to the same output as Consecration and Avenger's Shield on multiple targets). It scaled really well with vengeance.
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby Worldie » Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:43 am

I'm amazed that they had nerfed the melee and tank cloak for the very same reason on the PTR and didn't think of the other 2 cloaks.
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby econ21 » Tue Sep 24, 2013 2:27 pm

Fetzie wrote:*and not needing to wait ~20 seconds before you can reasonably cast it
*and not costing holy power


Oh well - I was just getting used to EF. It seemed more interesting gameplay wise than SS (maybe just because it was less obvious what was optimal usage). And it was fun to heal more than a resto druid in a flex run (probably says more about the resto).

We should not complain, I guess - as we had gone from one no brainer SS to another no brainer EF. Now, they seem more or less balanced.

I guess it's back to SS until the 4pc.
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