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[5.4 PTR] SS Nerf and EF

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Re: [5.4 PTR] SS Nerf and EF

Postby Schroom » Sun Sep 08, 2013 6:28 am

theckhd wrote:
Also note that if you're near 50% haste already, your haste stat weight value will generally be misleading. The sim figures out the value by adding 1000 haste, re-simming, and comparing. So if that takes you over 50% haste, it'll only give you a fraction of the value below that soft-cap.


that's what I thought. I'm wondering. why doesn't this happen with Hit and Exp cap?
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Re: [5.4 PTR] SS Nerf and EF

Postby Sagara » Sun Sep 08, 2013 6:50 am

They work in negatives delta: they deduct 1000 for each, measure how much you lose, and implies it´s how much you gain by gaining 1000 rating.
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Re: [5.4 PTR] SS Nerf and EF

Postby Thels » Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:00 am

Anyone know how to artificially reduce your Haste to 20250, then? That might be useful to do, if your haste is above 20250, to know how useful Haste is up to the cap. If you want to know how useful Haste is post cal, just bump it up to 21250.

I'm not experienced enough with SimC to know how to do that.
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Re: [5.4 PTR] SS Nerf and EF

Postby Sagara » Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:35 am

Couldn't you create a -1000 haste shirt on your equipement rundown?
Not only desktop right now, so can't give the code like that, but just adapt another piece of armor into a shirt with -1000 haste
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Re: [5.4 PTR] SS Nerf and EF

Postby Rihna » Sun Sep 08, 2013 11:24 am

Add on your equipment on SC
shirt=NombreDeLaCamisa,stats=-20250haste_1crit

I added crit too to show if you want to add more stats you need to put _ between them
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Re: [5.4 PTR] SS Nerf and EF

Postby Thels » Mon Sep 09, 2013 1:45 am

Does that set haste to 20250, or reduce 20250 haste? If the latter, it's pointless. We don't want to know how good haste is at 0% haste. We want to know how good haste is close to the cap, but still below the cap.
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Re: [5.4 PTR] SS Nerf and EF

Postby Sagara » Mon Sep 09, 2013 1:59 am

Just do the same but with 1k:
shirt=Leadlinedshirt,stats=-1000haste_1crit
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Re: [5.4 PTR] SS Nerf and EF

Postby Rihna » Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:09 am

shirt=NombreDeLaCamisa,stats=-20250haste

It reduce 20250 haste from your set.

On the last part of simcraft, you have # Gear Summary
With the numbers of your "real" set.

For example:
# Gear Summary
# gear_strength=18132
# gear_stamina=32001
# gear_expertise_rating=4769
# gear_hit_rating=2928
# gear_crit_rating=919
# gear_haste_rating=18078
...

On your set you have 18078 haste.
You want to test 21250 that will be 50% haste.
Add a shirt with 21250-18078=3172 haste.

If you have haste>21250 then add a shirt with -haste to artificially reduce your Haste to 20250
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Re: [5.4 PTR] SS Nerf and EF

Postby Schroom » Sun Sep 15, 2013 2:43 pm

damn EF produces a lot of aggro wit high vengeance... have to switch off "Righteous Fury" on Garosh later in the fight when the sha adds spawn... no fun :> and I'm kinda scared for the tankswaps...
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Re: [5.4 PTR] SS Nerf and EF

Postby Schroom » Tue Sep 17, 2013 11:33 pm

does the HoT-ticks of EF not scale with vengeance, when EF is put on friendly targets?

in my logs it ticked for exactly 17k on my Tankmate every time.....
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Re: [5.4 PTR] SS Nerf and EF

Postby theckhd » Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:34 am

I don't think I ever tested it specifically. I'd assume it does scale with Vengeance; if it isn't, it's probably a bug.
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Re: [5.4 PTR] SS Nerf and EF

Postby Schroom » Wed Sep 18, 2013 6:15 am

those are numbers from Garrosh 10m by the way. so no way 17k can be right. as we have ~ >50% veng all the time.
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Re: [5.4 PTR] SS Nerf and EF

Postby Schroom » Thu Sep 19, 2013 4:37 am

ok I checked. it was a fluke i guess. other logs from yesterday show values like 37508 and so on.

Other Question.

What about that Harsh Words build that was popular on PTR for a while. did they change it? or would it still be viable IF lots of Tank DPS is needed.
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Re: [5.4 PTR] SS Nerf and EF

Postby daishan » Thu Sep 19, 2013 4:54 am

Been able to spam harsh words on an enemy with the 4p was fixed, no idea if it could still be a dps increase to cast harsh words over SotR though.
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Re: [5.4 PTR] SS Nerf and EF

Postby PsiVen » Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:42 pm

EF was just hotfixed to +50% self-heal, down from +100%.

http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/2715 ... tember-23/
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