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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Rhiannon » Wed Aug 07, 2013 1:32 pm

Well as the fruit juice has 15 cal it can only have about 3g of fructose, so that's hardly terrible. Dunno what artificial sweeteners go into that just 15 stuff, if any, though. The pineapple's the main source of the fructose in that drink.

The stuff about alcohol messing with hormones is all true though, numerous studies link it to higher oestrogen levels (which in turn increases fat storage).

One can be reasonably healthy while still having the occasional drink, but yeah I wouldn't try to claim any alcoholic drink is healthy in itself, just maybe less unhealthy (though there's that whole red wine antioxidant thing).
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Fridmarr » Wed Aug 07, 2013 5:16 pm

Well healthy was in quotes, I don't think he was really suggesting it was healthy, just less bad than some other drinks.

Rhiannon wrote:One can be reasonably healthy while still having the occasional drink, but yeah I wouldn't try to claim any alcoholic drink is healthy in itself, just maybe less unhealthy (though there's that whole red wine antioxidant thing).

For sure. You aren't going to wreck your diet by having a drink on occasion, and that summary probably covers it.

This reminds of an article I read the other day. It was going to into this long speech about brown rice vs white rice. While acknowledging that brown rice has some additional benefits (though it gave more credence to the primal/paleo phytic acid concern than it should have) it basically said...If you always eat healthy the difference between white and brown rice won't matter. Well no shit, if you always eat healthy you could probably add 3 strips of bacon to every meal and it wouldn't matter. My point to that digression is that if you are regularly eating pretty well, don't sweat the occasional drink or whatever, stay sane.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Nikachelle » Wed Aug 07, 2013 6:17 pm

There are just some things not worth giving up. Bacon, alcohol and french fries. Nom.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Amirya » Wed Aug 07, 2013 6:21 pm

What about vodka soaked, bacon wrapped french fries?
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Nikachelle » Wed Aug 07, 2013 6:30 pm

Okay that sounds vile. But I did see this the other day:

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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Amirya » Wed Aug 07, 2013 6:51 pm

That...sounds even more vile.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Nooska » Thu Aug 08, 2013 3:50 am

Right, thursday has rolled around, and another day on the scale.
As expected I've dropped quite a bit since monday (again, no obvious explanation), so I'm now clocking in just under 256 lbs - thats a loss of just over 3 lbs since monday, and what I would call an actual loss of ~1.5 lbs since last thursday.
If I eliminate the wild swings, I just don't feel I am losing what I should be losing, seeing as I am living off ~1500 kcals per day (just under on average), while my maintenance requirement is just under 3000 kcals per day, meaning I should be dropping ~3 lbs per week. I started out at a 2000 kcal diet, but it wasn't really doing anything.

It's at this point that I'm wondering if its time to talk to the doctor about possible slow metabolism - I do have other signs/symptoms/indicators for slow metabolism, like fatigue/aching joints/susceptibility to cold, dry skin, slow pulse etc, but a lot of that could just as easily be from being overweight or other known medical conditions (the only one I don't have any known cause of is skin irritation/dry skin).
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby lythac » Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:38 am

The Bakon Vodka doesn't sound very nice on its own. Looking at the site it seems good for bloody marys or simply just mixing with tomato juice.

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I see it being nice if done as a shot with some Tabasco sauce (well not nice, the opposite of nice).
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby cdan » Thu Aug 08, 2013 6:39 am

Nooska wrote:Right, thursday has rolled around, and another day on the scale.
As expected I've dropped quite a bit since monday (again, no obvious explanation), so I'm now clocking in just under 256 lbs - thats a loss of just over 3 lbs since monday, and what I would call an actual loss of ~1.5 lbs since last thursday.
If I eliminate the wild swings, I just don't feel I am losing what I should be losing, seeing as I am living off ~1500 kcals per day (just under on average), while my maintenance requirement is just under 3000 kcals per day, meaning I should be dropping ~3 lbs per week. I started out at a 2000 kcal diet, but it wasn't really doing anything.

It's at this point that I'm wondering if its time to talk to the doctor about possible slow metabolism - I do have other signs/symptoms/indicators for slow metabolism, like fatigue/aching joints/susceptibility to cold, dry skin, slow pulse etc, but a lot of that could just as easily be from being overweight or other known medical conditions (the only one I don't have any known cause of is skin irritation/dry skin).


If you are worried about your metabolism why not add in some green tea drinks (unsweetened) and up your exercise intensity. Smaller meals more often instead of fewer larger meals also helps with some people.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Cogglamp » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:44 am

There's a delicate balance between measuring yourself to figure out the long term trend versus over-measuring yourself. That goes for caloric intake, exercise, weight loss, etc. Unfortunately, there are too many factors to accurately analyze each and every week to figure out why you aren't losing weight at a particular rate.

This isn't a sprint. Hell, it's not even a race. It's a life long dedication to yourself (and ultimately the ones you love) and your health to go down this path. If your exercising, eating right and committing to your plan of long lasting health and fitness, then you're going to see a long term trend for the better.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Nooska » Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:33 am

The long term trend is for th ebetter, I'm just worried that my goals and decisions may be based on the wrong premise.

As for smaller meals, that will be difficult, as My basic meal (when not actually cooking) is a slice of bread with something on, resulting in about 166 kcals for a meal (and have no problem with that a a base). A cooked dinner is anywhere from 200 to 700 kcals, depending on what I'm eating, (how calorierich it is, the size of the serveng seldom varies).

As this is a lifelong thing (well when I hit my target weight, my calori intakke can go up to maintenance rather than losing weight), I am also allowing myself sweets and other things like ice cream (though it's becoming rarer that I want ice cream) and crisps/chips - I just adjust the serving size down. (If I eat chips/crisps for instance, my usual serving is 10-20 grams depending on what type - I 'fill' a small bowl for visual input, and go with the puffed crisps when possible - the take up more room for fewer calories, while still looking the same).

The main culprit I'm looking at for varying weights is still my liquid intake, as I do not register that (that would be too cumbersome, and I need a subscription to the app to be able to easily register liquids).
For the liquid part, I'm hoping I will see a result when our new scale arrives and I've used it for a while. (as in, if I see my body water content go up when I weigh more and down when I weigh down, that will give a clearer understanding).
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Fivelives » Thu Aug 08, 2013 11:06 am

Amirya wrote:My boss is aware of what I've been eating, he's always heard it takes 21 days to form a habit.


It's actually quite a bit longer. On average, it takes about 10 weeks - 66 days, actually - to form a new habit that's going to be long term. Simple habits (like drinking more water) can be formed in about 18 days, but more complicated or difficult ones (exercise, for instance) can take as much as 254 days. There's an interesting study on it here: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... 496.d02t02

That's with actually performing the action you want to habitualize daily. Missing days isn't TOO detrimental, but there is an effect when you do that.

I also agree with the recent trend in the discussion. You have to want to change before you can change. There may be good, valid reasons to change, but unless you have the desire to actually do it, nothing will ever get done despite the number of reasons you come up with to do something different. Nobody else can make that decision for you.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Lieris » Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:53 pm

I came home with sushi and a big bag of wasabi peas today.

This week is probably a write off! :p
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Fridmarr » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:56 pm

Cogglamp wrote:There's a delicate balance between measuring yourself to figure out the long term trend versus over-measuring yourself. That goes for caloric intake, exercise, weight loss, etc. Unfortunately, there are too many factors to accurately analyze each and every week to figure out why you aren't losing weight at a particular rate.

This isn't a sprint. Hell, it's not even a race. It's a life long dedication to yourself (and ultimately the ones you love) and your health to go down this path. If your exercising, eating right and committing to your plan of long lasting health and fitness, then you're going to see a long term trend for the better.
Well said.

And I'd like to add to this that it sounds like Nooska, that you are traversing well (very well) within the margin of error for the measurements, equipment, and algorithms you are using. Remember that these algorithms are dealing with averages on several different levels, as a former wrestler I can tell you that professionally maintained and certified scales can be gamed (in other words, they have their quirks of inaccuracy if you don't stand on them exactly the same), much less a home scale. That doesn't even get into the very good point about water weight that you are making.

Just keep watching the trend over the long term and don't sweat the week to week stuff.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby cdan » Fri Aug 09, 2013 7:35 am

Lieris wrote:I came home with sushi and a big bag of wasabi peas today.

This week is probably a write off! :p


Eh? Nothing wrong with that at all. Especially the peas. Loads of protein in them.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Nikachelle » Fri Aug 09, 2013 7:50 am

The only major problem I heard of with sushi was that it's usually a lot of mayonnaise mixed in to bind the stuff together. Other than that, I'd say it's pretty healthy.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Amirya » Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:29 am

Not necessarily, it depends on what the filling is. I actually see mayo more in the Western versions than the Japanese versions.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby cdan » Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:40 am

Mayonnaise is evil. Marks and Spencer sandwiches used to be bathed in the stuff. Bumped the saturated fat content up through the roof on their pasta salads too. Is that still the case?
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Lieris » Fri Aug 09, 2013 9:41 am

It was all vegan sushi so no mayo, all authentic. I could live off the avocado rolls.

I thought all that white rice might do me in but if you guys say it's okay I guess I am off the hook. ;) I also had some kakiage but lets pretend I didn't.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Nooska » Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:29 am

Vegan sushi? but sushi is with fish O.o - is what you are eating is sushi inspired vegetable/fruit rolls?
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Lieris » Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:01 am

Nooska wrote:Vegan sushi? but sushi is with fish O.o - is what you are eating is sushi inspired vegetable/fruit rolls?


Nope, sushi does not = fish. It just means rice prepared a certain way and served with whatever. You can make pepper, cucumber, tofu, avocado, sweet potato, carrot... whatever roll you like.

One of my favourite types of sushi is inari zushi which is sushi rice in a sort of bean curd pouch.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Rhiannon » Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:02 am

Sushi is the particular preparation of rice combined with other ingredients. While often that's fish, it can be lots of things - it's the rice that defines sushi.

Lieris - without knowing how much sushi you actually had and other details about you it's impossible to know if you ate "too much", but sushi/white rice isn't inherently unhealthy or anything like that. Sure brown rice is generally considered healthier than white, but that doesn't make sushi bad.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Nikachelle » Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:26 am

Maybe you can all educate me on vegetarian sushi, because while I like sushi, I'm totally grossed out by the raw fish idea. As a result, the only think I know how to order is a California roll!
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Shoju » Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:47 am

79.5 pounds... DAMN YOU HALF POUND.

I have 39 days until my birthday.... I'm wondering if I can hit 90 pounds by then. That seems a little unrealistic though. That's another 11.5 pounds, and as I lose more weight, the weight loss is slowing down. It would require me to duplicate my weight loss from the previous month.

Though, I'm still quietly rooting for 100 pounds by Christmas. 100 pounds, 10 months, I think I can do it.
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