[Ret] Personal dps goals before T15-ish content

[amh]

Hi!

I've joined a more or less casual* raiding guild, and I'm wondering what kind of dps I should be looking at before signing up for raids. So far I've only been doing a few heroics and weekly LFRs, but I seem to do doing all right (60k-100k dps, depending on the fight) compared to the other pug members. What kind of dps (let's assume Patchwerk-style fights for ease of comparison) should I be doing in order to not make a complete fool of myself?

The toon in question is linked in my signature.


I realise this may seem like a stupid question, but I've really no idea what to expect. I've been away from the game for a year or two. :)



* At least I think they count as casual. Three to four raids a week, working on normal-mode T15.

[Worldie]

Ehm knowing your weapon rather than that Sulfuras would be nice

With that gear you should be going for 50kish dps without raid buffs. The more the better.

Bare in mind dps scales a ton with gear, within 20 ilvls your dps might as well double.

Random thing: bad gemming is bad.

Gem pure haste in yellow / prismatic, haste/str in red, haste/hit in blue.

Not COMPLETELY sure about JC gems though, some more competent ret can tell you about them.

[amh]

Ehm knowing your weapon rather than that Sulfuras would be nice :P

The upgraded version of this one.

Random thing: bad gemming is bad.

It's not that bad, is it? EJ says pure STR is all right till I hit some vague point they called "raid geared", so I just went with a mish-mash of stuff I needed. (hitcap = expcap > str > haste > mastery > crit)

But the question was more about expected dps from someone raiding T15 than what I should be pumping out with my current gear. I can always farm some more first. :)

[lythac]

My unsolicited advice is to go do the Barrens weekly quest, upgrade your helm to 489 (has meta socket) and pick up the 502 boots quest reward, which should get you into ToT LFR (req 480), hopefully so you can run it today as last day of reset (3rd boss drops 2H).

What kind of dps (let's assume Patchwerk-style fights for ease of comparison) should I be doing in order to not make a complete fool of myself?

The first boss in ToT is Jin'rokh the Breaker and is as close to a patchwerk fight as you can get. Icy Veins tells me with 5 DPS you need to be doing 82k. There is a damage increase buff of 40% which you should have for roughly half the time so the single target DPS you actually require is more like 68k. I should mention that Jin'Rokh is substantially easier than the other bosses but that is mainly due to ease of execution.

As your guild is only at 4/12 I am of the belief that your DPS is most likely fine right now for your guilds progression. What worries me as that your low ilvl and by extension HP will either put the raiding group off of you or make you vunerable to unavoidable AoE damage as I am not banking on your healers being flawless.

[Worldie]

TLDR you better have your bubble and divine protection easily reachable. Consider using Glyph of Word of Glory if you end up healing yourself often.

[amh]

Perfect! Thanks, both of you! :)

I'm not in a hurry, so I'll grind through your suggestions, and upgrade more pieces before signing up. The last time I had to gear up to meet health requirements was on my priest starting BT. 8500 health (plus shields!) was serious business. :)

[Worldie]

You don't "have" to have enough health. But having 100k more HP is a nice buffer.

[amh]

Well, that was a great success!

Two-hander, helm, boots, ring, and two-piece T15 LFR (plus a spare leg-token) in one sitting. I'm out of mogu coins, but I'm off on vacation for the next reset anyway. Thanks for the heads up on the whole Barrens-scheme!


(Still got the last part of ToT left. Saving it for tomorrow)

[Thels]

If you want to know exactly how to gem, sim your character. The value of haste in comparison to strength matters.

At entry level, Haste is less than half the value of Strength. Use 2 JC only Str gems, and mostly Str in the other sockets, using Str/Haste and Str/Hit to fill yellow and blue sockets.

Once you start to gear up, Haste is more than half the value of Strength, but less than three quarters the value of Strength. Still use 2 JC only Str gems, in the red sockets with the best possible bonus, but use mostly Haste in the other sockets, using Exp/Haste or Str/Haste in the red sockets and Haste/Hit in the blue sockets. If you're over Hit cap and can't reforge it away, use Haste/Stam instead (though you should really consider the value of the socket bonus at this point).

As you gear up further, Haste becomes more than three quarters the value of Strength. At this point, you want to use 2 JC only Haste gems instead, and gem mostly Haste in the rest of your gear.

Pure guess, you're probably in the middle option, where you want to use JC only Str gems, and mostly Haste gems outside of that.

[amh]

Quite comprehensive. Thanks! :)