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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:27 pm

Point there. Thinking about it, it actually sounds like plausible deniability.

"Hey, I meant to block titties! It's not my fault that the ISPs are blocking information on contraception"
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Koatanga » Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:34 pm

Compliance is simple - in the terms and conditions of my ISP, I would insert a line that people agree to be responsible for their own porn filtering, and that they understand there is no such filtering happening at the ISP level. All of my clients can either accept the provision or get another ISP.

It's not that I would want to promote porn; I just wouldn't bear the cost of such censorship.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby KysenMurrin » Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:49 pm

One small ISP's site I saw was saying they would comply with the "active choice" by offering a Censorship/no censorship option, and then for anyone who chooses censorship, having a popup that suggests they move to North Korea.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:57 pm

*snerk*
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Fridmarr » Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:25 pm

Klaudandus wrote:Well well well... Looks like Scalia and the SCOTUS were wrong. NC has risen up to the challenge and try to undermine voting rights.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/0 ... ppression/
That's not a logical summary.
That a legislature may pass laws that violate voting rights doesn't make SCOTUS wrong. I highly doubt that SCOTUS indicated that no legislature will ever again pass a law that violates voting rights.

To be clear, SCOTUS didn't change the rules around what makes a law regarding voting rights constitutional they changed the procedure for challenging those laws, by getting rid of special laws that only affected certain districts based on defunct data. If these new laws do in fact violate the rights of voters, they can be challenged and overturned. Now all jurisdictions are subject to the same procedure, so that all of our citizens have equal rights.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Koatanga » Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:47 am

Fridmarr wrote:all of our citizens have equal rights.


That officially qualifies as the 2nd funniest thing I've seen today.

To be fair, the first was this:

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Snake-Aes » Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:01 pm

Protests continue, and monday's took advantage of the pope's visit to RJ.

Some evidences were found suggesting that the guy who sparked violent conflict among protesters was in fact an undercover cop.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:52 pm

Snake-Aes wrote:Protests continue, and monday's took advantage of the pope's visit to RJ.

Some evidences were found suggesting that the guy who sparked violent conflict among protesters was in fact an undercover cop.
Ya-fucking-ay.


*facedesk* false flag operation?
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Snake-Aes » Wed Jul 24, 2013 4:01 pm

With this place's history of police all but itching to beat the shit out of anything smarter than a snail, my guess is that they were given orders to give them an excuse to use force.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:33 am

Well, NC has decided to up the crazy.
http://wtkr.com/2013/07/25/n-c-abortion ... -governor/
And
http://wtkr.com/2013/07/24/nc-lawmakers ... staurants/

I guess they dont want Texas to have a monopoly on dumb/crazy
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Snake-Aes » Sat Jul 27, 2013 1:59 pm

"Yeah, you can carry hidden weapons into the place people go to get drunk. Where people are spectacularly famous for fighting drunk".

Business as usual, I'd say.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Koatanga » Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:00 pm

Let's assume for a moment they're not just passing things because they're bat-crap-crazy. What would be the compelling reason leading to someone making a bill that would allow guns in bars, parks, and school parking lots?
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby fuzzygeek » Sat Jul 27, 2013 6:29 pm

I'd imagine the argument is that laws banning them would mean the only people with them would be the kind of people who don't obey laws anyway. I've not read the articles yet but the school parking lot may be intended to cover teachers and administrators who keep firearms in their cars. Parks in some places include parks with significant wildlife where you might want to carry as well. Bars just seem imprudent, but again, it just means you disarm law abiding citizens. Frankly you could do more to curtail deaths by outlawing the serving of alcohol at bars ...
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Snake-Aes » Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:00 pm

Like that have ever turned out well :p

On disarming only lawful citizens, I can only say whether that's a good argument after testing it. Time for statistics, I guess.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby fuzzygeek » Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:57 pm

Exactly :]

As far as disarming lawful citizens, iirc the vast majority of mass shooting in recent years has been in a "gun free zone"; one exception that comes to mind happened in a parking lot in AZ. I'd have to do some digging for numbers.

Edited to remove stats I am unsure about.
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