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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Cptasparagus » Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:17 am

I tend to WoG spam idk, i have no idea what the uptime is in a normal fight, but on the doll its never down for more than 15 seconds (I can't get it to refresh, it only procs when the bubble isnt up).
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby daishan » Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:39 am

Hmmm, when you say you WoG spam how often do you mean?
It's almost always more effective to use holy power for SotR and save WoG for the times where you might die before your healers have chance to cast a heal.
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Stam or Haste in 10 man?

Postby Kal » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:51 pm

My Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/proudmoore/Kallahan/advanced
Latest log: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-842ownmrmw336rot/

Some quick background: I just started with a 10man that is working on Iron Qon, and though I'm definitely playing catch-up in gear and experience, it might work out well. Previously, I had tried a few teams that would get to Elegon and fall apart, or wipe on Horridon 4 times and quit. These guys are on their game and not quitters, the DPS is great, so wish me luck!

My Questions:

How much is "enough" health? I have a little over 800k buffed, and it feels comfortable, though I haven't checked the logs yet. The only thing I can say gave me real trouble was bats on Tortos hitting me with Drain the Weak. Otherwise, I'm not dying much. I'm open to reducing my effective health to get better DPS and more SotR, but I'm new to content past Horridon, so I don't know what way to go.

As for trinkets, I have Brutal Talisman (upgraded) in my bags. If I don't need so much health even after swapping gems and enchants to secondary stats, is this trinket good enough to swap out one of my Stam trinkets)?

Also, if there's any glaring mistakes anyone sees, I'd like to hear it.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Fetzie » Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:14 am

I have just over 800k life buffed w/o shaman health increase for 25H and I'm never really in any danger of dying.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Worldie » Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:42 am

Our tanks in 25 hc (at lei shen closing to a kill now) run with 700ishk buffed and it's plenty.
The paladin however has so much haste his Mass Ress only has 5.5 seconds cast time!
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Re: Stam or Haste in 10 man?

Postby Schroom » Sat Jul 06, 2013 1:17 pm

Kal wrote:My Questions:
How much is "enough" health?



are you dying a lot? do you self make a lot of errors? (CD timing, SoTR timing etc.), do your healers make mistakes and have a lot of trouble keeping you alive? is one of those answered with a "yes", you probably need more stamina.

Are all of those 3 points answered with a "no" -> enough HP
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Fetzie » Sat Jul 06, 2013 1:51 pm

Worldie wrote:Our tanks in 25 hc (at lei shen closing to a kill now) run with 700ishk buffed and it's plenty.
The paladin however has so much haste his Mass Ress only has 5.5 seconds cast time!

I guess it is better to over-estimate the incoming damage from a new boss than to under-estimate.

I'm using the Lei Shen stamina trinket because I have so much hit natively on my gear that I have no real benefit from equipping the Ji'kun feather trinket other than the strength proc :/
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Tankznspankz » Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:20 am

http://eu.battle.net/wow/de/character/g ... nkz/simple

looking for general improvements besides "get better gear"
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Sagara » Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:38 am

First, give us links in english, verdomme! Nah, just kidding.

There's nothing wrong honestly. Remember to re-enchant your new axe, though ;-)

A couples thoughts, just to jump-start you own thought processes.

Have you considered asking for the crafted boots? The Haste/Mastery ones are really kickass and will tide you over until Twins or Ra-Den deign you with some TF boots.

Considering the damage curve of the bosses that are left on progression, wouldn't you be better off trying to grab some more tier? The 4pc bonus is apparently extremely strong on H content, and I'm seriously considering grabbing it back myself. It's apparently set to be even stronger while we start off T16, with US being a flat -50% CD.

The choices of JC gems is open to discussion, as the Stam gems are better itemized, but there's indeed a case to be made to run for more haste via expertise gems.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Thels » Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:44 am

You might want to replace "de" with "en" and "simple" with "advanced" when you link your character:
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/g ... z/advanced

You have 540 ilvl, but only 521 equipped. Your offspec is Retribution. I'm guessing that you have several retribution items that are much higher ilvl than the items you currently have equipped. Could you post the high ilvl items that you got? The Stamina+Armor alone might make them worthwhile to equip, and then the stats that are good for Ret are decent for Prot.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Tankznspankz » Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:30 am

I had to switch specs from holy to prot due to 2 tanks quitting.
Offspec items are almost exclusively holy.

Got the Haste / Mastery boots today.
Tier items are mine once they decide to drop...
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Thels » Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:22 am

Ah, ok. That changes things.

I've been looking at your gemming, and it's a little odd... For example, you're matching one socket in your boots, but not the other, while mastery is a good bonus, and you're using your JC perk on Expertise...

JC Stamina gems give you 240 Stamina per gem, whereas JC Secondary gems only give you 160 Secondary stats per gem. I'd highly recommend using 2 Solid Serpent's Eyes in the blue sockets where they provide the best bonus (Helm and Legs). Then for all other sockets, use 320 Haste unless the socket bonus is worth it (Stamina, Hit, Expertise, Haste, Mastery), or unless you need to reforge a lot to meet your expertise cap (unlikely).

Basically, use 480 stamina in helm and legs, 160 haste+160 expertise in neck, legs and feet, and 320 haste everywhere else.

If possible, get your hands on two stamina trinkets, and keep them ready for fights where you'll be needing them.

Other than that, things look quite ok. Don't forget to enchant that axe. Dancing Steel is the recommended survival/dps tradeoff nowadays.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Fetzie » Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:52 am

Thels wrote:Ah, ok. That changes things.

I've been looking at your gemming, and it's a little odd... For example, you're matching one socket in your boots, but not the other, while mastery is a good bonus, and you're using your JC perk on Expertise...

JC Stamina gems give you 240 Stamina per gem, whereas JC Secondary gems only give you 160 Secondary stats per gem. I'd highly recommend using 2 Solid Serpent's Eyes in the blue sockets where they provide the best bonus (Helm and Legs). Then for all other sockets, use 320 Haste unless the socket bonus is worth it (Stamina, Hit, Expertise, Haste, Mastery), or unless you need to reforge a lot to meet your expertise cap (unlikely).

Basically, use 480 stamina in helm and legs, 160 haste+160 expertise in neck, legs and feet, and 320 haste everywhere else.

If possible, get your hands on two stamina trinkets, and keep them ready for fights where you'll be needing them.

Other than that, things look quite ok. Don't forget to enchant that axe. Dancing Steel is the recommended survival/dps tradeoff nowadays.

The 1500 haste/mastery/crit proc is also totally viable (can't remember its name right now).
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Thels » Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:03 am

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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Fetzie » Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:11 am

Think so, yeah.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Suikoden » Wed Jul 24, 2013 4:38 pm

Hello all,

I recently picked up playing my prot paladin again and have been slowly getting used to everything once again.
For the most part i have it all down but i was curious as to when its time to start gemming pure haste gems and what haste thresh holds if any i should be aiming for?

Any advice would be much appreciated and my character link is below.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Thels » Thu Jul 25, 2013 2:00 am

You bought the wrong Shado-Pan Assault trinket. :(

You might want to look at the craftable items. There's a 522 helm and 522 boots that both have Haste/Mastery on them, and are excellent for both prot and ret. They might be expensive, though, and obviously quickly replaced when 5.4 is out.

As for when to switch from Stamina to Haste, that depends on the content you're running, but in your case, I'd stick to stamina a little longer. For LFR it really doesn't matter which of the two you're using, and if you can get into a ToT normal group, that Stamina is the most likely to keep you alive.

Then again, if you have no interest whatsoever in ToT normal for now, and only run LFR/5mans/T14, then you want to gem Haste instead of Stamina.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Thels » Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:19 am

I just switched from trying to keep a guild together/pugging, and doing mostly 10 man normal and perhaps a 10 HC here and there to a 25HC guild with 10/13. I have no personal feeling how hard the 25man bosses hit. I've managed to organize one 25man raid, and that was MSV with the 10man version on farm.

Considering I'm on the lower end of the gear spectrum for this guild, I'm considering switching back to Stamina gemming. Would people in 25HC guilds recommend as such, or rather to keep some haste in?

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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Paoanii » Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:35 am

Thels wrote:I just switched from trying to keep a guild together/pugging, and doing mostly 10 man normal and perhaps a 10 HC here and there to a 25HC guild with 10/13. I have no personal feeling how hard the 25man bosses hit. I've managed to organize one 25man raid, and that was MSV with the 10man version on farm.

Considering I'm on the lower end of the gear spectrum for this guild, I'm considering switching back to Stamina gemming. Would people in 25HC guilds recommend as such, or rather to keep some haste in?

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Having tanked 7/13H this tier before switching to 10 man, I never saw a significant need for more stamina. The only notable exception to this is dark animus, but proper cooldown management and tank coordination (and leaving a small golem up to soak empowers) goes a lot further toward reducing tank deaths to Massives than does more stamina.

Edit: That's not to say Stamina gems may not be helpful, I more meant that situations in which more stamina would've saved me would also have been prevented by just all around better play. It's definitely worth considering stacking stamina, but even in the gear you're in, you're more than geared enough for almost all 25H bosses, so there isn't a huge pressing need to change.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Promdates » Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:47 am

Thels wrote:25HC guild with 10/13. I have no personal feeling how hard the 25man bosses hit. I've managed to organize one 25man raid, and that was MSV with the 10man version on farm.


I'm 11/13, working on Lei Shen, and have yet to use stamina gems/trinkets since I was gearing up in normals at the beginning of the tier. The one thing I would recommend you pick up is the 4P bonus, as you can gain a significant amount of holy power from it over the course of a fight, other than that you're not behind gear wise... at least compared to where I sit (DAMN YOU RINGS!!)
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Thels » Fri Jul 26, 2013 12:03 am

Most of the people in my raid squad have gear in the 540s, so they're not relying on me to put out awesome DPS, which might make Stamina a more interesting choice. And yes, it's Dark Animus that's first on the list, if they don't manage to kill it this week while I'm still locked out to another guild.

I've got the chest and legs sitting in my bank, as the bonus felt too insignificant in 10 mans. Might dust them off, valor upgrade them, and squeeze them into my set. They're both 522, tho, compared to my 535 chest and 528 legs :/

Thanks for the advise. I'll probably get the gems cut and carry them around in my bags, just in case. Until then, I'll probably stick to the haste gems.

Though I might go ahead and switch meta-gems nonetheless.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Harb » Fri Jul 26, 2013 5:02 pm

Hi guys,

Would you recommend i just gem the straight haste gems also tossing up between two set Lightning Emperor's Legguards and Lightning Emperor's Handguards or Vulcanodon Gauntlets and Bloodlord's Bloodsoaked Legplates (thunderforged)

Belt is saying Abandoned Zandalari Goreplate (thunderforged) over Reinforced Spiritplate Girdle

Advice would be welcome

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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Thels » Sat Jul 27, 2013 1:11 am

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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Thels » Sat Jul 27, 2013 1:18 am

Depending on how much Hit and Expertise you already have on gear, it's probably best to use Haste/Expertise, Haste/Hit and Haste/Stamina gems to meet Stamina/Hit/Expertise/Haste/Mastery socket bonuses. Hard to say without looking at your armory.

Those pants from Horridon are really juicy. I'd probably try to squeeze them into my gear somehow. The 2 set is not really worth it, if you have such awesome offspec pieces.

That said, the tier gloves might flat out beat the Oondasta gloves, if you can't burn the Hit. If you can burn the hit, it would be a tight match. I'd probably stick to the gloves in case you get a second tier piece down the road.

Crit ain't really useful, unless Berserk timers are a real issue to your guild. Since it's TF, the armor and stamina are slightly higher, but not noticeably so. I'd probably use the Rep girdle.

All in all, hard to tell without the bigger picture.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Fetzie » Sat Jul 27, 2013 5:10 am

If you want to get the 2piece and not the 4p T15 bonus, you should aim for Prot-tier helmet+shoulders, ret-tier chest, Primordius gloves and Durumu or horridon trousers (durumu's are preferable due to having expertise natively).
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