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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Teranoid » Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:16 am

Yeah! Only no life nerds actually research fights before they go into them anyway!
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Fetzie » Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:42 am

Teranoid wrote:Yeah! Only no life nerds actually research fights before they go into them anyway!

Wait, you mean not everybody eats a fly agaric before battle?

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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby bldavis » Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:59 pm

i figured it would happen, but still kinda sad
i was demoted from officer in my alliance guild

to be fair though, i hardly ever play my toons in that guild so i knew it would happen at some point
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Amirya » Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:19 pm

If it helps at all, I was too!

(But for different reasons, of course...)
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Worldie » Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:34 am

Apparently, according to my guild, my friendlist, and most of this forum, tank job in 5.4 is to do as much dps as they can, making them survive is a job of healers. If they die, it's healers' fault. They don't need a extremely strong proc from a legendary cloak, and I think I'm going to earn a gkick for arguing with my whole guild that tanks should focus on surviving.

Maybe I'm the only one who still thinks that tanks' job is to survive and not to win the meters.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Sagara » Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:46 am

I'm seeing that being thrown about a lot as well. Luckily my guild isn't too pushy with the tank corp, so they probably won't force our hand as long as we don't die to stupid.

In all honesty, though, if you're not pushing the bleeding edge or are not the runt of the litter, you'll probably be able to grab the DPS cloak without much fuss. "Able" being the keyword.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Worldie » Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:50 am

Why exactly would someone refuse the strongest tank cd in game, so strong it had been whined about and nerfed to the ground in WotLK. You remember it? Being able to not use your cooldowns cause "in case I'd die, AD will save me", so you could save them for when AD was already procced.

WHY. For what, 1k haste that you don't even need in SoO gear, and a proc that does shit damage in a ST fight?

Oh but who cares, let's all blame the healers if we die while we're doing so much dps. Ok.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Vigilant » Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:52 am

Worldie wrote:Apparently, according to my guild, my friendlist, and most of this forum, tank job in 5.4 is to do as much dps as they can, making them survive is a job of healers. If they die, it's healers' fault. They don't need a extremely strong proc from a legendary cloak, and I think I'm going to earn a gkick for arguing with my whole guild that tanks should focus on surviving.

Maybe I'm the only one who still thinks that tanks' job is to survive and not to win the meters.


It's an interesting phenomenon. I was just reading this thread over on MMO-Champion, in which it seems that a good number of tanks now find the most enjoyable part of tanking doing tons of damage and would quit tanking if that aspect of tanking were nerfed.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Worldie » Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:55 am

As I told some people earlier, buffing tank DPS was the stupidest thing they done to tanking in the whole WoW history.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:12 am

Which is one of the reasons why I think they will change vengeance next expac -- that said, if it wasnt for vengeance, our WoG or SS would not be scaling as good as it does.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Teranoid » Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:47 am

Yeah I mean why not lets go through another expansion of Blizzard having no fucking clue how to properly handle tank threat in a 9 year old game.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Flex » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:00 am

Sagara wrote:In all honesty, though, if you're not pushing the bleeding edge or are not the runt of the litter, you'll probably be able to grab the DPS cloak without much fuss. "Able" being the keyword.


Actually people not pushing bleeding edge would be better served by the proc. While progressing at our pace my death from lack of healer attention while they figure out the ebb and flow of healing has caused wipes.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Worldie » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:11 am

Teranoid wrote:Yeah I mean why not lets go through another expansion of Blizzard having no fucking clue how to properly handle tank threat in a 9 year old game.

Cause tank threat works now? It's miles ahead of DPS, exactly like it was in cata/wotlk. Just, the tank is ALSO on top of dmgmeters and sometimes of healing meters at same time. And it's still impossible for any tank to hold threat from geared DPS in low-tier since they aren't taking enough damage to build vengeance
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:18 am

It's only miles ahead after several seconds into the fight, in the initial pull, specially on trash, you might be losing threat to the bursty classes -- but once settled in, you're right, threat is fine.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Dion » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:20 am

Worldie wrote:...And it's still impossible for any tank to hold threat from geared DPS in low-tier since they aren't taking enough damage to build vengeance

If they haven't fixed it (last time I checked in 5.2 or so) using /sit + def cd are used by to generate alot of vengeance. And I have a hunch that this isn't way vengeace was intended to be used. :D
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