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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Koatanga » Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:30 pm

As expected, the marriage bill passed, so New Zealand became the 13th country in the world, and first in the southern hemisphere, to formally recognise gay marriage. After the votes were read, there was a standing ovation and parliament broke out in song. Cool moment, bro.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Shoju » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:17 am

Not the first in Southern Hemisphere, but still REALLY awesome.

Argentina and South Africa
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Zobel » Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:02 am

Also Uruguay, a week ago.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Shoju » Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:33 am

Zobel wrote:Also Uruguay, a week ago.


Technically, their's isn't law yet, as the it's awaiting presidential signature, which is just a formality.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Shoju » Mon May 06, 2013 6:49 am

I watched a fantastic documentary over the weekend.

For the Bible Tells me So

It's a fantastic look into the lives of 5 christian families who have gay children, as well as looking at the fallacies of modern religion that lead to people believing that the bible speaks out against Homosexuality, when in fact, it is inconclusive at best, and even not true, when looking at the scriptures.

It tackles Proof Texting and Biblical Literalism, two things that the fundamentalist christian movement primarily, but even others who cite the scriptures in reference to it's stance on homosexuality, use to prove their point.

I would love to think that my parents would learn something from this documentary, but I doubt that it would happen. They are too far entrenched I fear.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:20 am

DOMA struck down!

(And Scalia sounds like an ass in the process)
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Skye1013 » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:51 pm

Klaudandus wrote:(And Scalia sounds like an ass in the process)

As opposed to what...?
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:18 pm

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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby KysenMurrin » Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:09 pm

Same-Sex Marriage Does Threaten "Traditional" Marriage

Smart article on the real motives behind supporting "traditional" marriage.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:26 pm

So, we should live in the stone age in order to protect their fragile minds? *facedesk*

I've always wondered when they tell me that traditional marriage is something awesome... if its so awesome, how come 2 out 3 end in divorce?
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Passionario » Fri Jun 28, 2013 3:32 am

Klaudandus wrote:I've always wondered when they tell me that traditional marriage is something awesome... if its so awesome, how come 2 out 3 end in divorce?

Life is awesome, but 3 out of 3 end in death.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Sagara » Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:07 am

Well, thing is, you don't have much choice in how life ends, outside of "death".

Marriage is more of a mixed bag :-p
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby KysenMurrin » Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:40 am

Klaudandus wrote:So, we should live in the stone age in order to protect their fragile minds? *facedesk*

I've always wondered when they tell me that traditional marriage is something awesome... if its so awesome, how come 2 out 3 end in divorce?

It comes from the same thing that article points out: "traditional" marriages were not meant to account for an intimate personal relationship, but were about the roles of husband and mother. Society has shifted so that the relationship has gained increasing importance, and it's become acceptable to end the marriage when that relationship's no longer there (it's perfectly natural for people to change and grow apart).

Divorce becoming commonplace was just one step on the redefinition of marriage away from the outdated and misogynistic enforcement of gender roles it was originally built on.

(So yeah, traditional marriage = not so awesome.)
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Klaudandus » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:26 pm

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/06/3 ... alifornia/

FTA:Then on Saturday, the Alliance Defending Freedom helped Protect Marriage file an emergency motion (read the original filing) to block same-sex marriages from resuming in California.

I dont think that means what you think it means.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:50 pm

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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Passionario » Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:56 am

Klaudandus wrote:FTA:Then on Saturday, the Alliance Defending Freedom helped Protect Marriage file an emergency motion (read the original filing) to block same-sex marriages from resuming in California.

I dont think that means what you think it means.

It's always the Alliance. When have you last seen the headlines about the Horde oppressing LGBT rights?
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:20 pm

DL Foster: Pro-Gay Christians 'Just Like Slave Owners' and 'Jim Crow Racists'
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/d ... ow-racists

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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Koatanga » Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:33 pm

Passionario wrote:It's always the Alliance. When have you last seen the headlines about the Horde oppressing LGBT rights?

Well, you know what they say - people who sleep with cows shouldn't throw stones.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Paxen » Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:58 pm

Klaudandus wrote:DL Foster: Pro-Gay Christians 'Just Like Slave Owners' and 'Jim Crow Racists'
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/d ... ow-racists


Interesting logic. Anti-gay activists don't benefit financially from hating gays, therefore their opponents have to benefit financially. And, q.e.d., they are the equivalent of slaveowners, anti-suffragettes and jim crow-supporters. :shock:
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:37 pm

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-j ... k_071513_1
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby KysenMurrin » Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:47 am

The House of Lords has voted through the UK's gay marriage bill. All it's waiting for now is some debate on amendments and the Queen's signature.

(For some reason this news was buried in the "Politics" section of BBC News, I had to dig for it to confirm what I'd heard.)
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Nooska » Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:39 am

Well it IS politics *shrug*
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby KysenMurrin » Tue Jul 16, 2013 4:41 am

Yeah, just would've expected it on the home page somewhere.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby KysenMurrin » Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:49 am

Royal assent has been granted. Same-sex marriage will be legal in the UK.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Lieris » Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:07 am

KysenMurrin wrote:Royal assent has been granted. Same-sex marriage will be legal in the UK.


An imperfect piece of legislation but I will take it.
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