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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Jun 03, 2013 10:44 am

http://www.scotusblog.com/2013/06/live- ... rg-law-16/

Sweet jeebus! I agree with scalia's dissent!
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Koatanga » Mon Jun 03, 2013 1:57 pm

Klaudandus wrote:http://www.scotusblog.com/2013/06/live-blog-of-orders-and-opinions-sponsored-by-bloomberg-law-16/

Sweet jeebus! I agree with scalia's dissent!

Regarding what?
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Jun 03, 2013 2:05 pm

Koatanga wrote:
Klaudandus wrote:http://www.scotusblog.com/2013/06/live-blog-of-orders-and-opinions-sponsored-by-bloomberg-law-16/

Sweet jeebus! I agree with scalia's dissent!

Regarding what?

Ah shit.

Scotus said its ok for police to get dna swabs of people at the tim of an arrest, to run it for future references and crossmatch it against cold cases and such.

Scalia was one of the dissenting judges.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Koatanga » Mon Jun 03, 2013 2:29 pm

Klaudandus wrote:
Koatanga wrote:
Klaudandus wrote:http://www.scotusblog.com/2013/06/live-blog-of-orders-and-opinions-sponsored-by-bloomberg-law-16/

Sweet jeebus! I agree with scalia's dissent!

Regarding what?

Ah shit.

Scotus said its ok for police to get dna swabs of people at the tim of an arrest, to run it for future references and crossmatch it against cold cases and such.

Scalia was one of the dissenting judges.

Ahh.

I'm ok with that - take swabs after conviction, not arrest. Presumptive innocence has to be considered. Once convicted, your ass, and your DNA, belongs to the state.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Jun 03, 2013 2:35 pm

Im ok after conviction, but here they are talking during arrest.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby KysenMurrin » Mon Jun 03, 2013 2:39 pm

Bear in mind also that you don't even have to be charged with anything to be arrested.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby fuzzygeek » Mon Jun 03, 2013 2:40 pm

What's the difference between keeping a photograph of someone on file, and someone's DNA on file? What about fingerprints?
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Koatanga » Mon Jun 03, 2013 2:48 pm

I meant I was OK with Scalia's dissent, not the original practice. Presumption of innocence must be maintained.

Particularly of late I have noticed US laws pertaining to "public safety" have been treading rather heavily on Constitutional rights. I think it is important that the Supreme Court take a hard line on this, to preserve the integrity of the US Justice system and to send a message to the Legislative branch that it is overstepping its bounds.

Even if 99.9% of arrests result in convictions, the law is that a person is innocent until proven guilty.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:48 pm

fuzzygeek wrote:What's the difference between keeping a photograph of someone on file, and someone's DNA on file? What about fingerprints?


Fingerprints and photographs are normally used from that point on forward. In this case, they want the DNA samples to see if anything matches in cold cases.

The problem is discovery, which is why Scalia argued based on the 4th.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Jun 04, 2013 6:23 am

More on the IRS thing
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/ju ... w-evidence

The IRS office in Cincinnati which decides whether to exempt such groups from income tax singled out 72 of them for scrutiny because they were openly affiliated with the Tea Party movement, together with 24 others whose names included associated labels such as "patriot".

To qualify for tax exempt status such groups have to show they are not directly backing a political candidate but they are allowed to campaign on general "civic issues".

However a further 226 other political groups were also placed in the same review whose affiliations were not immediately apparent from their name alone, which is often the case among liberal campaign groups. It remains unknown how many of these were in fact Democrat-leaning groups, partly because individual names cannot be publicly released under IRS confidentiality laws.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Jun 04, 2013 12:16 pm

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Jun 05, 2013 2:27 pm

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/m ... ine-060513
FTA: Just because the Supreme Court rules on something doesn't necessarily mean that that's constitutional.

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/S ... ries_Again
FTA: A proposed bill, on special order in the state Senate, would allow the state attorney general to take businesses, including health insurers, to court if he "has reasonable cause to believe" they are harming people by implementing the law. The bill already has passed the House. If it passes, the bill could push South Carolina to the forefront of Obamacare resistance, giving the state's Republican leaders a national stage. It also could push South Carolina into yet another costly legal battle in the federal courts that, critics say, is unnecessary and avoidable.

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Jun 06, 2013 10:40 am

http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2013/06 ... -activist/
FTA:“I’m going to be real honest with you, the Republican Party doesn’t want black people to vote if they’re going to vote 9-to-1 for Democrats,” Ken Emanuelson said.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby aureon » Thu Jun 06, 2013 12:37 pm

http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfiel ... -republic/
Tell me this magazine is a satirical one, please?
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:57 pm

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Sat Jun 08, 2013 7:54 pm

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Cogglamp » Tue Jun 11, 2013 9:45 am

Just checking, I'm not the only one here that is appalled by the spying that was done by the NSA, am I? By my view, this is an egregious breach of the 4th amendment. I'm sure a good attorney can explain to me why this isn't a complete breach of the 4th amendment but I haven't heard that good attorney come forward yet.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Jun 11, 2013 9:48 am

Nope. I'm appalled as well.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Amirya » Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:08 pm

Same.

Far as I'm aware, I haven't done anything to flag any "key words" or anything...yet. How long until I do?

Of course, I live in Arizona, where it is also apparently easy to be arrested with a BAC of 0.00.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Nooska » Wed Jun 12, 2013 3:34 am

Appalled and apathic at the same time here.

Should it surprise me that it doesn't surprise me?

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Jun 12, 2013 5:43 am

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/ ... s-did-year

Quite trollish article, but there's some truth behind it.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:38 am

I think the worst part about the whole snooping thing is that some lawmakers think it should go even further
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/lind ... 32835.html
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby fuzzygeek » Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:14 pm

Vague laws and sheer legislative volume pretty much guarantees everyone is guilty of something under some interpretation of something, somewhere. Having a massive database just makes it trivial to apply pressure.

"Hey you might want to stop blogging about X, unless you feel like being prosecuted for Y."
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Jun 12, 2013 2:26 pm

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/12/r ... democrats/

“The idea of — quote — small government is in direct conflict with big government Republicans sticking their nose my vagina,” one voter named Suzanne wrote. “How can we get the conservatives — mostly men — to quit blaming women, many times girls, solely for unwanted pregnancies?”
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Jun 12, 2013 2:28 pm

Political amusement rather than a commentary
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/12/f ... your-back/

“Kilmeade and Friends” featured the leader of the English Defence League (EDL) on Monday, a protest group known to march through the streets attacking non-white people and making Nazi salutes. After about 15 minutes of interviewing 30-year-old EDL leader leader Tommy Robinson about his anti-Islamic views, Kilmeade exclaimed: “Well Tommy, we’ve got your back and we’ll definitely look to keep in touch. I really think it’s a very — it’s great, what you’re doing.”
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