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Do Devotion Auras Stack?

Postby Forgrim » Thu May 09, 2013 5:55 am

Random question and i've googled it and looked for the answer and couldn't find it so...

Do devotion auras stack? I always thought it did, but other people have told me otherwise. We have four devotion auras in our raid setup so I kinda don't ever want to waste them so it would be nice to have it clarified.

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Re: Do Devotion Auras Stack?

Postby Worldie » Thu May 09, 2013 6:30 am

Easy to check, make 2 paladins pop it at same time, if you get 2 buffs they stack, else not :)
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Re: Do Devotion Auras Stack?

Postby Forgrim » Thu May 09, 2013 6:36 am

haha yeah, we are doing work theorycrafting for heroic bosses tonight and no one can figure it out. and looks like no one else knows since google doesn't find anything.

the only way we know is later tonight which makes our theory crafting during the day moot!
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Re: Do Devotion Auras Stack?

Postby Worldie » Thu May 09, 2013 7:55 am

You can just ask a random paladin for trade to pop devotion aura at same time of you and see what happens :)
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Re: Do Devotion Auras Stack?

Postby Forgrim » Thu May 09, 2013 8:27 am

haha i managed to look at world of logs using my phone and it does stack multiplicatively. for everyone else who didn't know!
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Re: Do Devotion Auras Stack?

Postby theckhd » Thu May 09, 2013 9:40 am

Are you sure? Because until this post, I was 99% sure they do not stack.
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Re: Do Devotion Auras Stack?

Postby Zothor » Thu May 09, 2013 10:49 am

theckhd wrote:Are you sure? Because until this post, I was 99% sure they do not stack.


This was my thought as well. Can you link that log? This would change some of our strategies, not insignificantly.
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Re: Do Devotion Auras Stack?

Postby Newsom » Fri May 10, 2013 5:53 am

I know you get multiple buffs since MoP at least.
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Re: Do Devotion Auras Stack?

Postby theckhd » Fri May 10, 2013 5:59 am

Not conclusive proof, but:
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[23:01:24.402] Theck gains Devotion Aura from Agwyne
[23:01:25.039] Theck gains Devotion Aura from Theck
[23:01:25.659] Theck gains Devotion Aura from Acornhat
[23:01:26.158] Yellow Eye Bright Light Theck 19643 (A: 4893)
[23:01:26.158] Theck afflicted by Bright Light (3) from Yellow Eye
[23:01:27.687] Theck afflicted by Bright Light (4) from Yellow Eye
[23:01:29.721] Theck afflicted by Bright Light (5) from Yellow Eye
[23:01:30.402] Agwyne's Devotion Aura fades from Theck
[23:01:31.207] Theck's Devotion Aura fades from Theck
[23:01:31.713] Yellow Eye Bright Light Theck 6772 (A: 23004)
[23:01:31.713] Theck afflicted by Bright Light (6) from Yellow Eye
[23:01:31.762] Acornhat's Devotion Aura fades from Theck
[23:01:33.749] Yellow Eye Bright Light Theck 36998
[23:01:33.749] Theck afflicted by Bright Light (7) from Yellow Eye
[23:01:35.768] Theck afflicted by Bright Light (8) from Yellow Eye
[23:01:36.190] Appraising Eye Lingering Gaze Theck 41207
[23:01:37.790] Yellow Eye Bright Light Theck 33801
[23:01:37.796] Theck afflicted by Bright Light (9) from Yellow Eye
[23:01:39.781] Yellow Eye Bright Light Theck 33531
[23:01:39.793] Theck afflicted by Bright Light (10) from Yellow Eye


With 3 Devo Auras stacked, I took 19643+4893=24536 damage
With 0 Devo Auras stacked, I took between 33.5k and 37k
The data point with one devo aura is around 30k, but I'm not convinced it's accurate thanks to the timestamps (can't trust them to +/- 10 ms).

If we assume that the beam was hitting the same number of players, then even taking the extreme of 37k damage with no devo auras should be reduced to 19k with 3 of them stacking multiplicatively. With a single one, the 33.5-37k range drops to 26.8-29.6k, which is closer to what we're seeing. Especially since the damage is increased by ~15% thanks to the Bright Light debuff.

If we assume a nominal 35k for the value after 8 stacks of the debuff, and adjust our expectation for 3 stacks (-15%, or multiply by 0.85), we get 35k*0.8*0.85=23.8k, very close to the 24k observed with 3 Devo Aura buffs.

The only reason this isn't conclusive is that we can't be sure that the number of players hit remained the same (it likely wasn't for the 37k hit, but that only furthers our argument that they don't stack).
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Re: Do Devotion Auras Stack?

Postby Forgrim » Fri May 10, 2013 8:09 am

i'm at work, so i'll link a log of when we land on windstorm on heroic iron qon, we have no cd's but two ppl popping devotion aura so it should be slightly easier to see the damage reduction. I only did a cursory look and came to a conclusion that it stacked, I might've missed that someone popped a personal or something.
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Re: Do Devotion Auras Stack?

Postby Forgrim » Fri May 10, 2013 8:30 am

[22:16:48.411] Caedi gains Devotion Aura from Forgrim
[22:16:48.591] Unknown Arcing Lightning Caedi 34267 (A: 559)
[22:16:50.458] Caedi gains Devotion Aura from Cynix
[22:16:50.585] Unknown Arcing Lightning Caedi 25063 (A: 2798)
[22:16:52.580] Unknown Arcing Lightning Caedi 27862
[22:16:54.522] Forgrim's Devotion Aura fades from Caedi
[22:16:54.597] Unknown Arcing Lightning Caedi 32029 (A: 2798)
[22:16:56.509] Cynix's Devotion Aura fades from Caedi
[22:16:56.590] Unknown Arcing Lightning Caedi 37937 (A: 5596)
[22:16:58.581] Unknown Arcing Lightning Caedi 40735 (A: 2798)

Just from this data, it reduces Arcing Lightning from ~44k to ~35k to ~28k.

So multiplicatively 20% of 44k is approximately 35k, and 20% of 35k is approximately 28k.

So i believe that should be pretty conclusive, unless theck sees something wrong with my math here.

(I also made sure no other auras/personals were popped, and they weren't since our raid only uses two cd's for when we land)
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Re: Do Devotion Auras Stack?

Postby theckhd » Fri May 10, 2013 1:49 pm

That certainly looks like it's stacking multiplicatively. I'll test it with a mage using Blizzard later today when I make it online. I'm not sure why the Durumu data disagrees - it could be something specific to different types of spells?
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Re: Do Devotion Auras Stack?

Postby theckhd » Fri May 10, 2013 9:35 pm

More data:
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[23:16:52.180] Flaming Head Ignite Flesh Theck 58650
[23:16:52.377] Theck gains Devotion Aura from Agwyne
[23:16:53.298] Flaming Head Ignite Flesh Theck 46920
[23:16:55.670] Theck gains Devotion Aura from Acornhat
[23:16:56.223] Flaming Head Ignite Flesh Theck 37536
[23:16:57.189] Flaming Head Ignite Flesh Theck 37536
[23:16:58.373] Agwyne's Devotion Aura fades from Theck
[23:16:59.163] Flaming Head Ignite Flesh Theck 46920
[23:17:00.250] Flaming Head Ignite Flesh Theck 46920
[23:17:01.175] Flaming Head Ignite Flesh Theck 46920


Definitely stacking for Magaera's Ignite Flesh.
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Re: Do Devotion Auras Stack?

Postby Worldie » Sat May 11, 2013 1:01 am

theckhd wrote:That certainly looks like it's stacking multiplicatively. I'll test it with a mage using Blizzard later today when I make it online. I'm not sure why the Durumu data disagrees - it could be something specific to different types of spells?

Remember on Durumu you get a stacking debuff every time it ticks, that increases that element damage taken. Might be the reason for the inconsistency of the data.
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Re: Do Devotion Auras Stack?

Postby theckhd » Sat May 11, 2013 1:09 am

Worldie wrote:Remember on Durumu you get a stacking debuff every time it ticks, that increases that element damage taken. Might be the reason for the inconsistency of the data.


You mean the stacking debuff I accounted for in the body of my post?

Theck wrote:If we assume a nominal 35k for the value after 8 stacks of the debuff, and adjust our expectation for 3 stacks (-15%, or multiply by 0.85), we get 35k*0.8*0.85=23.8k, very close to the 24k observed with 3 Devo Aura buffs.


Yeah, I remembered. :P
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