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Re: Troll lore and future expansion

Postby benebarba » Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:49 am

Amirya wrote:
Fenrìr wrote:No, it's been thousands of years since Archi destroyed the World Tree. The manifestation you see now is the new world tree which was blessed by the Aspects. There was a brief time in which Fandal corrupted it and almost killed Shando (hence why he's in prison in the Emerald Dream in Hyjal).

Er...I thought the one Archimonde destroyed also featured Jaina and Thrall setting up camps. They certainly are thousands of years old.

I must be missing lore somewhere.


I thought the same thing, that it occurred within recent years (in the RTS) as Medivh, Jaina and Thrall were present at the original event, and we only go back into the caverns of time (in WoW) to ensure it works out the same way it originally did.

http://www.wowpedia.org/The_Battle_of_M ... f_Warcraft)

edited to add: and unless I'm missing something as well, it sounds like nozdormu still hadn't blessed Teldrassil (Ysera and Alextrasa did, apparently) when the aspects lost their powers after defeating DW, and the newly regrown Nordrassil may or may not have reversed the loss of immortality (not discussed - which would just be one of many dangling stories in cata).
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Re: Troll lore and future expansion

Postby benebarba » Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:04 am

Era wrote:The blood elf citadel is broken as well! Huge scar right through it.
...there's a lot of broken/unfinished cities going on, isn't there? :lol:

I actually miss Dalaran being the main city!


Well, what do you expect with how we apparently treat the masons of Azeroth :P
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Re: Troll lore and future expansion

Postby Fenrìr » Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:29 pm

Eh...I think Nozdormu did. Now I'm gonna have to find that book and flip to the end.
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Re: Troll lore and future expansion

Postby bldavis » Mon Apr 22, 2013 1:53 pm

thrall and jaina were transported there via the bronze flight iirc

the destruction of Nordrassil was a thousand years ago, the recent burning legion attack was kil'jaden in the sunwell
that was only a few years ago lore timeline wise

you need to remember that the first/second wars (Warcraft 1 and 2) were only about 20-25 yrs ago this ended with the orcs in interment camps..where thrall was born...never realized how young he was...
thrall leads the orcs to kalimdor, and we deal with the scourge in WC3 - 5-10 years ago
vanilla - 8-10 yrs ago
dark portal reopened, and we go to draenor to deal with the burning legion there - 6-8 yrs ago
scourge is acting up again, so we go to northrend - ~4 yrs ago
after we defeat the LK (takes about 1 1/2 yrs), deathwing emerges again (about 6 months later based on things i have read)
it takes us about 2 years to clean up and kill dw, so we are up to what...1 1/2 years ago?
we find pandaria and the heroes (that the players) get sent in as a scouting party
3-6 months later, the invasion starts in full swing (5.1) a few months after that we stop fighting each other and start focusing on the thunder king (do all 4 stages of IoT to get why)
that is where we are currently

we know the bronze dragonflight will send parties of heroes forward, and esp backward, in time to make sure things go as they should
we went back to the siege of stratholme that was during the start of the 3rd war, we have gone back to the well of eternity when azshara was trying to help get sargaras into azeroth, we have gone forward to see what would happen if deathwing was not stopped, we have gone back to make sure the dark portal was opened
and most importantly..we have gone back to make sure archimode does not succeed in ...what ever he was trying to do on hyjal ten thousand years ago
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Re: Troll lore and future expansion

Postby KysenMurrin » Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:00 pm

The destruction of the World Tree was the ending of WC3. It was not thousands of years ago. In WC3, the Scourge was created to weaken the world in advance of the Legion invasion, which was led by Archimonde, who was killed at the Battle of Mount Hyjal during which the tree was damaged. (And then the Scourge storyline was taken up again in the expansion pack.)
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Re: Troll lore and future expansion

Postby bldavis » Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:09 pm

shit..the sundering was 10k years ago...dammit
my bad

i guess thats what i get for not playing the WC games, and having to rely on my memory of what i have read, sometimes years ago
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Re: Troll lore and future expansion

Postby Amirya » Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:01 pm

Besides which, Thrall and Jaina were in Kalimdor at the behest of Medivh, not the Bronze Flight. The instance group is the Bronze guinea pigs.
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Re: Troll lore and future expansion

Postby benebarba » Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:04 pm

Amirya wrote:Besides which, Thrall and Jaina were in Kalimdor at the behest of Medivh, not the Bronze Flight. The instance group is the Bronze guinea pigs.


and I forget why you get sent back... probably the infinite dragonflight getting up to no good like they did in the one where you free thrall?
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Re: Troll lore and future expansion

Postby Amirya » Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:05 pm

I believe so, but how they were going to do that I don't think was ever explained. I don't recall any evidence of the Infinite Flight in Mt Hyjal.
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Re: Troll lore and future expansion

Postby bldavis » Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:47 pm

Amirya wrote:Besides which, Thrall and Jaina were in Kalimdor at the behest of Medivh, not the Bronze Flight. The instance group are the Bronze guinea pigs.

add and only doing a raid once to the previous list
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Re: Troll lore and future expansion

Postby Fenrìr » Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:36 pm

Damn, I really was aging some of these people >.>

Thanks for that, Bldavis, it gave me things to consider today while running since I left my ipod at home.



The instance group is only there due to the Infinite Flight doing something with the time line.
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Re: Troll lore and future expansion

Postby bldavis » Tue Apr 23, 2013 1:20 am

lol im glad i could help..
most of my lore knowledge is based on things i have read or heard over 4 years of playing, so not all of it is accurate, or the most up to date
but if i can help give some thought provoking ideas, or generate discussion, i am glad to share it (and if i am wrong, i love to find out what is right)
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Re: Troll lore and future expansion

Postby Fenrìr » Tue Apr 23, 2013 1:49 am

No, it's quite alright. I've been playing for quite some time and I just really dated WC1-3. I think it probably stems from reading some of the books in which Rhonin goes back in time and that's just got me all f'd up.


On another note...I didn't know he died when Theramore blew up...............why wasn't this mentioned considering how big he's been.......
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Re: Troll lore and future expansion

Postby benebarba » Tue Apr 23, 2013 4:24 am

Fenrìr wrote:No, it's quite alright. I've been playing for quite some time and I just really dated WC1-3. I think it probably stems from reading some of the books in which Rhonin goes back in time and that's just got me all f'd up.


On another note...I didn't know he died when Theramore blew up...............why wasn't this mentioned considering how big he's been.......


Probably the same reason folks (that hadn't read the books) had to wander around Ironforge to figure out why there was this council and where Magni had gone off to.

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Re: Troll lore and future expansion

Postby Worldie » Tue Apr 23, 2013 4:28 am

But if Rhonin died when Theramore got destroyed... why is he still in Dalaran? °_°
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Re: Troll lore and future expansion

Postby Invisusira » Tue Apr 23, 2013 4:30 am

KysenMurrin wrote:The destruction of the World Tree was the ending of WC3. It was not thousands of years ago. In WC3, the Scourge was created to weaken the world in advance of the Legion invasion, which was led by Archimonde, who was killed at the Battle of Mount Hyjal during which the tree was damaged. (And then the Scourge storyline was taken up again in the expansion pack.)

Was going to say... the entire game led up to it; it's not like it just came out of nowhere.

http://www.wowwiki.com/Timeline_%28unofficial%29
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Re: Troll lore and future expansion

Postby Invisusira » Tue Apr 23, 2013 4:32 am

Worldie wrote:But if Rhonin died when Theramore got destroyed... why is he still in Dalaran? °_°


But if the Lich King is dead, and Bolvar Fordragon died with him, how come the entire Death Knight start zone? °-°
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Re: Troll lore and future expansion

Postby KysenMurrin » Tue Apr 23, 2013 4:46 am

Death Knights are actually the only class whose levelling path still makes sense, since (other than a trip to SW) they don't have to see any Cataclysm content until they're level 80. DKs start a few years ago and work their way up to now. Everyone else starts recently and then jumps around in time for 20 levels. ;)

Edit: Except Pandas. They're all over the place from the start.
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Re: Troll lore and future expansion

Postby Sagara » Tue Apr 23, 2013 5:03 am

KysenMurrin wrote:Edit: Except Pandas. They're all over the place from the start.


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Re: Troll lore and future expansion

Postby benebarba » Tue Apr 23, 2013 5:22 am

All continuity issues can be explained away if you imagine chromie as your initial questgiver in any zone, with the text: "Well, you didn't have anything better going on and this time could use some help."

that's what I do ;)
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Re: Troll lore and future expansion

Postby benebarba » Tue Apr 23, 2013 5:24 am

KysenMurrin wrote:Death Knights are actually the only class whose levelling path still makes sense, since (other than a trip to SW) they don't have to see any Cataclysm content until they're level 80. DKs start a few years ago and work their way up to now. Everyone else starts recently and then jumps around in time for 20 levels. ;)

Edit: Except Pandas. They're all over the place from the start.



I'd never thought about it that way... but yeah, the DKs are really the only group that sees a progression that makes much sense (though I'm not sure they still run through the old stormwind gates...)
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Re: Troll lore and future expansion

Postby Passionario » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:55 am

Worldie wrote:But if Rhonin died when Theramore got destroyed... why is he still in Dalaran? °_°

If a character dies on page 200, why is he still alive on page 15?
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Re: Troll lore and future expansion

Postby benebarba » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:22 am

Passionario wrote:
Worldie wrote:But if Rhonin died when Theramore got destroyed... why is he still in Dalaran? °_°

If a character dies on page 200, why is he still alive on page 15?


not quite, in this case, since they did remove General Marcus Jonathan from Stormwind after Theramore, even though stormwind is still sort of stuck in the past (with the exception of the pandas showing up in a back corner).
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Re: Troll lore and future expansion

Postby halabar » Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:22 am

benebarba wrote:All continuity issues can be explained away if you imagine chromie as your initial questgiver in any zone, with the text: "Well, you didn't have anything better going on and this time could use some help."

that's what I do ;)


The easiest way to deal with any of the continuity issues is to consider all non-90 toons as starting at some point in the past, and you are basically bringing them through time up to the current time. No fresh toon is really starting at the "current" time, they are all stuck at some point in the past, even though that point gets adjusted now and then (refresh of starting zones in Cata, etc).

So, yeah, your baby toons are getting mail from someone in the future, and when they get to the capital cities they see things and people from the future.
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Re: Troll lore and future expansion

Postby Chunes » Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:38 am

I like that take on it.

There are some points in the early game that break the chronological continuity, like having valkyr rezzing forsaken in deathknell. Didn't undeads just sort of "wake up" on their own without any help from the valks in vanilla?
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