patch 5.2 ?

[Zalaria]

There's a bow on Tortos. It might not be an upgrade depending on what you have, but it's there.

[KysenMurrin]

More nerfs!

Council of Elders
Decreased the power gain rate of possessed council members in 10-player Normal difficulty.
Frost King Malakk now deals less damage with each stack of Frostbite in 10-player Normal difficulty.
Sul the Sandcrawler now deals less damage with Sandbolt in 10-player Normal difficulty.
Durumu the Forgotten
Disintegration Beam now dissipates sooner before reaching the end of the maze.
Horridon
Reduced the health of Farraki Wastewalkers, Gurubashi Venom priests, Drakkari Frozen Warlords, and Amani Warbears in the Horridon encounter by 15% in 10-player Normal difficulty.
Drakkari Frozen Warlord now deals less damage with Mortal Strike in 10-player Normal difficulty.
Risen Drakkari Champions and Warriors now deals less damage with Deadly Plague in 10-player Normal difficulty.
Primordius
Slightly reduced the health of Primordius in 10-player and 25-player Heroic difficulty.
Tortos
Whirl Turtles now have a reduced base movement speed in 10-player Normal difficulty.
Vampiric Cave Bats now deal less damage in 10-player Normal difficulty.

They've also dramatically increased Garalon's enrage timer on both Normal modes in HoF.

[Nikachelle]

The ToT ones are totally unnecessary at this stage.

[halabar]

There's a bow on Tortos. It might not be an upgrade depending on what you have, but it's there.

It's the worst of the ranged weapons. Not one you would want to spend a bonus roll on. The squid-on-a-stick from Durm is the best.

[KysenMurrin]

The ToT ones are totally unnecessary at this stage.

For us. I expect Blizz would only make these big blanket nerfs if they're seeing a notable proportion of guilds getting stuck on Horridon, Council, and Tortos (even we got stuck on Tortos for a while, and still don't kill it cleanly).

Yeah, so anyone getting stuck on Horridon or Council is likely just failing execution (though TBH the Sul-nuking strat that gives the cleanest kill is not the most obvious strategy), but Blizzard don't like to leave people stuck for too long or they lose players.

[Nikachelle]

But we're only 6 weeks into the tier. We were only stuck on Tortos for a week and on Durumu for two. Hell, that's not even "stuck" that's just learning and executing the fight. "Stuck" is when you spend a month on something that goes nowhere.

[bldavis]

i agree it does seem kinda early
if anything i would have almost prefered a trash nerf
but that is just me saying that due to only raiding one night a week and unless we one shot hte first boss, we spend most of the rest of our night getting TO horridon and not working on him (ToT for 2 hrs and then old content for the next 2 due to one of our raiders having to go to bed)

[CrimsonEyes]

We've only just gotten to the stinky Troll Council last week (yes, I know, we suck), and while we spent two of our three nights on them, they didn't seem completely insurmountable as they were.

But w/e, I'll take the nerf. At the end of the day, I care more about killing stuff with my guild than doing it first or best.