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Sacred shield

Postby thunderz » Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:09 am

I have been raiding since BC as a Prot pally. I use weak aura to help me out with sacred shield. I go over my world of logs to help me improve. I'm told I'm a good tank and easy to heal. Here is my problem week after week I see in my logs that sacred sheild is only up ~40% of the time at best. Does anyone have logs of it being up for 90-100% of the time. If so can I look at your logs. I'm trying to find out what I am doing wrong.
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Re: Sacred shield

Postby Nikachelle » Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:12 am

LOL thank god I'm not the only one with ~40% uptime.

Rhia's got a tank in his main guild that had uptime around 80% I think. Let me go poke him for the log.
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Re: Sacred shield

Postby thunderz » Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:14 am

I'm pulling what little hair i have out trying to solve this. Must be a canadian hating thing. I wonder if it only count up time for when the shild is up, IE if you take a hit and the shild is gone does that count as up time or down time. then the shiled comes back in 6 sec. do you know what I mean.
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Re: Sacred shield

Postby KysenMurrin » Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:22 am

There should be two buffs, one for the duration of the spell, one for the shields that pop up. I just pulled up a top Prot Paladin parse on World of Logs to confirm, and they have 90% uptime on one and 50% on the other.
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Re: Sacred shield

Postby Zothor » Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:39 am

I thought this was boss by boss, because I glanced at a couple of my logs and saw wildly differing uptimes (especially when comparing them to Theck's logs, which I consider a personal target goal), but then I found large disparities on some of our fights which might be strat based. So, here are my logs on

Council: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/x5ik ... 888&e=4337
Tortos: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/x5ik ... 491&e=5851
Megaera: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/x5ik ... boss=68065
Durumu: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/ncln ... 195&e=6647

Apparently our logs from Dark Animus aren't up. The consistent thing with those fights? Those are fights where I was tanking (or otherwise trying to mitigate damage) almost the entire time.

I use Theck's weakauras strings, which notify me obnoxiously when SS drops off; I also compulsively hit it as filler when I have a GCD open, probably more than I should. If you can post your logs I'll try and take a look and see if I can figure out what's going on.

Also, you ARE looking at the higher of the two sacred shield numbers, right? If you look "Sacred Shield" shows up in the list of buffs twice; once for the 30 second maintenance buff, and once for the shield it procs. The latter of course will be much lower.
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Re: Sacred shield

Postby Promdates » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:39 pm

You should try to keep it up as much as possible, and strive for a 90-99% uptime. It's not too difficult of a task to do, especially if you have a weak aura string setup to see the remainder timer on it. I use Theck's WA string, with some additional modifications (placement and other cooldowns), and can consistently get mid-high 90's.

Council of Elders 25N
Horridon 25N
Tortos 25N

In the normal piano smashing style of our active tanking, there are occasionally points where you have a free GCD or two where you can refresh SS. If you're using Theck's recent WA string, just be sure you refresh SS when the vengeance indicator is red to make sure you always refresh with a larger shield than previously. That won't always happen, but it really does help.
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Re: Sacred shield

Postby Shahei » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:40 pm

I'm unsure whenever this is obvious or not, but if you click on the "#" beside of the buff, you can see it's uptime in a graph. For ex at the log: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/x5ik ... 491&e=5851
SS wasn't up for the last ~minute.

I don't use Theck's weakaura string myself, but especially at burn phases, it is common to miss it's refresh.
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Re: Sacred shield

Postby Promdates » Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:08 pm

Even in a burn phase you still shouldn't miss the refresh.
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Re: Sacred shield

Postby Shahei » Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:32 pm

Promdates wrote:Even in a burn phase you still shouldn't miss the refresh.


Ofc! But we are all just humans!
And as a human being I do everything possible to avoid situations where others want to kill me.
(Ex: Pointing out they failed refreshing SS for a min. >.> Phrasing so, that it stings less is one of my best utility! )
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Re: Sacred shield

Postby thunderz » Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:37 pm

here is a copy of my world of logs I am the only pally in the raid

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/zhui7f3ndg1eseqi/
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Re: Sacred shield

Postby Promdates » Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:54 pm

thunderz wrote:here is a copy of my world of logs I am the only pally in the raid

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/zhui7f3ndg1eseqi/


Alabaster Shield is terrible on Jin'Rokh, I reccomend going with Focused Shield for MOAR DEEPS.
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Re: Sacred shield

Postby Rhiannon » Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:47 pm

Well don't need to keep it 100% up depending on the fight, but yeah. Tbh the pally tank in my raid is a bit slack with it unless his survivable's a big deal, with uptime varying from 65% to 95% depending on the fight, here's a Ji'Kun kill with 95% uptime if it's of any use.

Edit: actually checked your log - you do realise it manifests as two buffs like Kysen said? The first 3 pulls I checked you had sacred shield on yourself for 95% of each pull. The 30-40% figure is how long the actual absorb is up (also called sacred shield), and as that is only refreshed every 6 seconds (reduced by haste) the only way you can have high uptime of that buff is if you're not taking damage. So don't worry about that, you're doing fine.
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Re: Sacred shield

Postby Schroom » Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:37 am

I usually have 100% uptime all the time. on bad days I'm at 97%

I got a weak aura showing me the buff itself, how long until I have to refresh AND in essence "procc" my hotkey for SS if it should ever run out. that's like screaming in my face "you f**** moron usw SS already" ^^

unfortunately the logs of my guild are private so I could only send you screenshots of it ^^
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Re: Sacred shield

Postby theckhd » Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:45 am

I'm actually pretty bad at keeping SS up. It's one of the reasons my WeakAura for it is so "obnoxious." I tend to prioritize abilities that do DPS and refresh SS only if (a) I have a truly empty GCD or (b) it's fallen off and I'm tanking. When I'm off-tanking, I may let it drop for a while and focus on DPS until right before I'm going to taunt.

I'd probably be a lot better about it if I shifted the SS icon on my priority row over ahead of Consecration. That might be something to tweak in my setup (i.e. show it ahead of or overtop the Consecration icon, and only have it appear when the duration on SS is less than 6-8 seconds).
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Re: Sacred shield

Postby thunderz » Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:12 am

THnaks guys and girls for the response. Now that I know that there are 2 different buff to look at I see that my up time is +95% usually. Thank you Theck for the weakaura setup, although I have modified to to only show 2 things SS timer and Weaking blows.
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Re: Sacred shield

Postby Zothor » Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:28 am

Promdates wrote:Alabaster Shield is terrible on Jin'Rokh, I reccomend going with Focused Shield for MOAR DEEPS.


What's the basis for this claim against Alabaster Shield? it's in my default setup so I'm curious... is it the tank swap, such that you're not blocking all the time? Is Focused Shield preferable deeps in ALL tank swap situations? I haven't seen recent numbers on DPS talents.


theckhd wrote:I'm actually pretty bad at keeping SS up. It's one of the reasons my WeakAura for it is so "obnoxious."


I loveeeeee the obnoxious bounce. All things that involve "you should really be doing this or you might die from your own badness" should bounce obnoxiously.
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Re: Sacred shield

Postby Promdates » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:16 am

Zothor wrote:What's the basis for this claim against Alabaster Shield? it's in my default setup so I'm curious... is it the tank swap, such that you're not blocking all the time? Is Focused Shield preferable deeps in ALL tank swap situations? I haven't seen recent numbers on DPS talents.


I've just found through testing that having Alabaster Shield is better for faster hitting boss or boss fights with adds (like if you tank adds on Horridon, or bats on Tortos) because you're going to have a higher chance of reaching 3 stacks of Alabaster before you use SotR.

Avenger's Shield is already a heavy hitter, glyphing it to do 30% more damage to a single target makes it a crazy good ability. Looking my recent Iron Qon kill, I used GoFS instead of GoAS. Shield of the Righteous did an average of 124,671.3 damage per non-crit, while Avenger's Shield did 260,566.4. Even if I had a permanent 3 stacks, SotR would only do about 199,473.6 average. AS without the glyph would do 200,435.
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Re: Sacred shield

Postby Alrinea » Mon Apr 01, 2013 1:07 am

does anybody happen to have a proper "sacred shield is about to run out, you should probably refresh it if you dont wanna be a dummy" weakauras string? the only thing i can fabricate with weakauras is insufficient, as it for some reason cant track spellID and time remaining simultaniously, so you'd need to write a custom trigger for this (or get blizz to change the name of the absorb buff to something that is not "Sacred Shield" )and i have no clue how exactly to do either of those.
what i am currently using is just a inverse aura filter that checks for spellid 20925 and displays a red texture in the middle of my screen, but that only yields a uptime of ~80% for me. ideally i'd like the same texture in yellow if it drops below 7s remaining so i can get way closer to 100%. considered just adding a display of the time remaining on SS onto my screen which i can then check occasionally - but prefer it if weakauras does the "compare time remaining to 7" for me - after all, thats why i am using the addon in the first place, to filter and display information for me.
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Re: Sacred shield

Postby Promdates » Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:35 am

You can copy Theck's WA string from sacredduty.net, and then just remove all of the stuff you don't want to use. His SS tracker is excellent imo.
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Re: Sacred shield

Postby Zothor » Mon Apr 01, 2013 1:45 pm

Promdates wrote:You can copy Theck's WA string from sacredduty.net, and then just learn to use all the other stuff and ponder how you ever lived without it. His SS tracker is excellent imo.


... fixt. (seriously, there's some good info in that weakauras HUD)
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Re: Sacred shield

Postby Alrinea » Mon Apr 01, 2013 9:21 pm

Zothor wrote:
Promdates wrote:You can copy Theck's WA string from sacredduty.net, and then just learn to use all the other stuff and ponder how you ever lived without it. His SS tracker is excellent imo.


... fixt. (seriously, there's some good info in that weakauras HUD)


tried that ages ago, just imported the newest version just to be sure - doesnt do what i want it to do (see my post above). thanks though. should have prolly asked that in interface forums anyway.
basically what it comes down to: i dont like having stuff on my screen that i dont care about, if my SS/WB have 10+ seconds on them i dont care if its 15 or 30 seconds left. all i want is reminders like "hey, WB falls of in 5s. should prolly do sth about that, dummy". that is probably down to personal preference though. i just like having my screen be as empty as possible when things are fine (exceptions obviously being HoPo tracker & sotr time).

edit: just to clarify, for WB the aura i want is simple, as it doesnt need full scan to tell between two auras of the same name.
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Re: Sacred shield

Postby theckhd » Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:46 am

There's no way to do what you want in WA without a custom trigger, unfortunately. I wish they would add a "time remaining" condition when you scan by spellid.

It shouldn't be too hard to write a custom trigger for it though, so I'll try next time I'm in-game.
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Re: Sacred shield

Postby pvita » Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:08 am

@Alrinea: Check my posting in UI section. There is a slim chance it does what you are looking for.

PS: There is a micro tiny error included. In the computation of the next Sacred Shield strength should be the value 342.5 instead of 343. I was tired at midnight and took it from, aua...do not crucify me, the tooltip instead of Theck's blog.
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Re: Sacred shield

Postby Alrinea » Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:43 am

pvita wrote:@Alrinea: Check my posting in UI section. There is a slim chance it does what you are looking for.

PS: There is a micro tiny error included. In the computation of the next Sacred Shield strength should be the value 342.5 instead of 343. I was tired at midnight and took it from, aua...do not crucify me, the tooltip instead of Theck's blog.


awesome, thank you very much! thats me taken care of xD
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Re: Sacred shield

Postby Alcarius » Sat Apr 06, 2013 4:52 pm

My personal uptime on SS varies from fight to fight. I actually throw it on the other tank during taunt swap fights to help out with damage, since they get the ridiculously big absorb bubbles if they get my SS while I have high vengeance. So, make sure you're considering things like that into your personal uptime, meaning how much it is on yourself.
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