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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Koatanga » Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:17 pm

Fivelives wrote:
Koatanga wrote:The license is issued after a records search to determine that both parties are eligible to marry - are of legal age, are not currently married to anyone else, etc. In NZ there is also a blood test. I know they check for HIV, but I don't know what other things they check for.


It could be to check degree of relation? According to wiki, incest is illegal in NZ.


It could be for a lot of things, including recessive genes for certain congenital birth defects, or as you say for degree of relation. I didn't bother with the fine print when I got married, and I really don't care what they test and/or use my blood for anyway. I suppose when the army of my clones takes over the country I will have some concern, but until then it makes no difference to me.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Skye1013 » Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:31 pm

I wouldn't object to a blood test, though I'd hope anything like HIV was already discussed with your SO before the big decision to get wed.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Klaudandus » Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:32 pm

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-5 ... ess-issue/

On one hand, guys like these are in part for the recession, on the other, he's in favor of gay marriage.

Hm...
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Nooska » Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:17 am

The incestuous relationships illegal in NZ are the same one sthat are over most of the world - direct up/down or side/side - I doubt thats what the blood test is for (there is a roughly 25% chance (if I've got my mental mendalian calculations correct) of 2 full siblings not sharing dna).
Also checking for HIV or other non-lethal diseases (according to current legal thinking getting infected with HIV is no longer punishable unde rthe statute making it illegal to pass on a deadly disease - because HIV doesn't actually kill you anymore) seems odd. I know I don't want the government to sit around with knowledge of what diseases I might develop (or rather, what diseases I have a genetic predisposition for) - the only place I would want it less is insurance companies.

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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Fivelives » Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:43 am

If not to check for degree of relation, then it's weird that blood tests would even be required. As far as I know, the state isn't allowed - anywhere - to involve themselves in things like genetics, at least not at the personal/interpersonal level. It's too close to being actual eugenics in practice.

I'm not entirely sure that HIV has ever killed someone; it's just a precursor virus for the AIDS. AIDS either, for that matter; it's the secondary infections that you get from having a depressed immune system that actually does the killing.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Mar 14, 2013 5:21 am

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Re: LGBT rights discussion

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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Fridmarr » Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:49 am

Klaudandus wrote:Image
Welp. More of the same.

Maybe his position will evolve.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Snake-Aes » Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:37 am

Fun fact: Here the committee that legislates in favor of minorities (particularly homosexuals and cripples, but things like female rights also brush their jurisdiction) elected a new president. A priest from the universal church that openly states things like "aids is a gay disease".
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Koatanga » Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:29 pm

Klaudandus wrote:http://editors.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2013/03/sodomy_no_one_told_us_about_this.php

This made me lol

On the one hand it's amusing, but on the other hand, it's representative of how actual people think, which is more than a little frightening.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Aubade » Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:49 pm

Yeah that video angered me. Such idiocy.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Klaudandus » Sun Mar 17, 2013 8:15 am

http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/15/politics/ ... ?hpt=hp_c1

On one hand I think it is cool he changed his mind, on the other hand, it pisses me off he was ok with denying other people's rights until it hit close to home.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Skye1013 » Sun Mar 17, 2013 12:10 pm

Sadly, that's about the only way some people are ever going to change their mind. Just glad to have another politician on this side of the fence.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Mar 20, 2013 1:56 pm

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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Snake-Aes » Wed Mar 20, 2013 2:39 pm

http://moglobo.globo.com/integra.asp?tx ... ia-7889259
It's...getting worse. This guy is the president for Brazil's committee of minorities and human rights. Famous quotes of his after he ascended to that role include:
1) "AIDS is a gay disease."
2) "STDs shouldn't be treated by the government, they're punishments for the wicked."
3) "Africa is a cursed land."
4) "Women Rights and Gay Rights destroy the families."
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