Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby theckhd » Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:13 am

For your enjoyment: these are 5.2 numbers, so take them with a grain of salt (lower Grand Crusader proc rate on CS will devalue CS compared to live numbers), but they should still be pretty representative of how things work out on live. Note that this is still using T14H gear, not T15 gear.

7.50% hit, 15.00% exp, SoI
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|     |                                          |    DPS |   SHPS |    DPS |   SHPS | SS/EF | Empty |        |
|  Q# | Priority                                 | V=150k | V=150k |  V=75k |  V=75k |   Up% |  GCD% |  HPG/s |
|     | #Barebones Queues                        |      0 |      0 |      0 |      0 |   0.0 |   0.0 |      0 |
|   1 | CS>J>AS>SotR                             |  87291 |  36662 |  52360 |  20875 |   0.0 |  35.6 | 0.4002 |
|   2 | CS>J>AS>Cons>SotR                        | 104357 |  36662 |  62117 |  20875 |   0.0 |  22.2 | 0.4002 |
|   3 | CS>J>AS>Cons>HW>SotR                     | 123849 |  36662 |  73400 |  20875 |   0.0 |   8.9 | 0.4002 |
|   4 | CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>SotR                     | 123850 |  36662 |  73401 |  20875 |   0.0 |   8.9 | 0.4002 |
|   5 | J>CS>AS>HW>Cons>SotR                     | 118872 |  33567 |  70304 |  19112 |   0.0 |  16.7 | 0.3604 |
|   6 | CS>AS>J>HW>Cons>SotR                     | 123710 |  36348 |  73346 |  20696 |   0.0 |   9.5 | 0.3781 |
|   7 | J>AS>CS>HW>Cons>SotR                     | 122359 |  33583 |  72336 |  19122 |   0.0 |  15.0 | 0.3616 |
|   8 | AS>CS>J>HW>Cons>SotR                     | 125846 |  35100 |  74494 |  19986 |   0.0 |  10.0 | 0.3616 |
|   9 | AS>J>CS>HW>Cons>SotR                     | 122358 |  33583 |  72336 |  19122 |   0.0 |  15.0 | 0.3616 |
|  10 | HotR>J>AS>HW>Cons>SotR                   | 119691 |  36662 |  70606 |  20875 |   0.0 |   8.9 | 0.4002 |
|  11 | AS+>CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>SotR                 | 124046 |  36604 |  73510 |  20842 |   0.0 |   8.9 | 0.3999 |
|  12 | CS>AS+>J>AS>HW>Cons>SotR                 | 123898 |  36662 |  73430 |  20875 |   0.0 |   8.9 | 0.4002 |
|  13 | CS>J>AS+>HW>AS>Cons>SotR                 | 124744 |  36672 |  73896 |  20881 |   0.0 |   7.6 | 0.4009 |
|  14 | CS>J>AS+>HW>Cons>AS>SotR                 | 124857 |  36685 |  73959 |  20888 |   0.0 |   7.5 | 0.4018 |
|     | #Talents                                 |      0 |      0 |      0 |      0 |   0.0 |   0.0 |      0 |
|  15 | CS>J>ES>AS>HW>Cons>SotR                  | 134572 |  36662 |  79601 |  20875 |   0.0 |   6.6 | 0.4002 |
|  16 | CS>J>AS+>ES>AS>HW>Cons>SotR              | 134852 |  36662 |  79762 |  20875 |   0.0 |   6.6 | 0.4002 |
|  17 | CS>J>AS>ES>HW>Cons>SotR                  | 131832 |  36662 |  78035 |  20875 |   0.0 |   8.8 | 0.4002 |
|  18 | CS>J>AS>HW>ES>Cons>SotR                  | 134325 |  36662 |  79458 |  20875 |   0.0 |   6.7 | 0.4002 |
|  19 | CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>ES>SotR                  | 134250 |  36662 |  79414 |  20875 |   0.0 |   6.7 | 0.4002 |
|  20 | CS>AS+>J>AS>HW>Cons>ES>SotR              | 134618 |  36662 |  79628 |  20875 |   0.0 |   6.7 | 0.4002 |
|  21 | AS>CS>J>HW>Cons>ES>SotR                  | 135755 |  35100 |  80224 |  19986 |   0.0 |   7.9 | 0.3616 |
|  22 | CS>J>HPr>AS>HW>Cons>SotR                 | 126395 |  41727 |  75152 |  23972 |   0.0 |   6.4 | 0.3999 |
|  23 | CS>J>AS+>HPr>AS>HW>Cons>SotR             | 126506 |  41711 |  75215 |  23961 |   0.0 |   6.3 | 0.4006 |
|  24 | CS>J>AS>HPr>HW>Cons>SotR                 | 127171 |  41392 |  75576 |  23767 |   0.0 |   5.9 | 0.4002 |
|  25 | CS>J>AS>HW>HPr>Cons>SotR                 | 128058 |  41346 |  76096 |  23741 |   0.0 |   5.5 | 0.3991 |
|  26 | CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>HPr>SotR                 | 129390 |  40217 |  76788 |  23048 |   0.0 |   4.4 | 0.4002 |
|  27 | CS>AS+>J>AS>HW>Cons>HPr>SotR             | 129445 |  40221 |  76821 |  23051 |   0.0 |   4.5 | 0.4002 |
|  28 | AS>CS>J>HW>Cons>HPr>SotR                 | 132064 |  39090 |  78296 |  22425 |   0.0 |   5.0 | 0.3616 |
|  29 | CS>J>LH>AS>HW>Cons>SotR                  | 128893 |  39975 |  76484 |  22900 |   0.0 |   6.6 | 0.4002 |
|  30 | CS>J>AS+>LH>AS>HW>Cons>SotR              | 129008 |  40071 |  76555 |  22959 |   0.0 |   6.6 | 0.4002 |
|  31 | CS>J>AS>LH>HW>Cons>SotR                  | 126096 |  40007 |  74887 |  22920 |   0.0 |   8.8 | 0.4002 |
|  32 | CS>J>AS>HW>LH>Cons>SotR                  | 128754 |  39911 |  76401 |  22862 |   0.0 |   6.7 | 0.4002 |
|  33 | CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>LH>SotR                  | 128734 |  39879 |  76387 |  22842 |   0.0 |   6.7 | 0.4002 |
|  34 | CS>AS+>J>AS>HW>Cons>LH>SotR              | 128932 |  39978 |  76508 |  22903 |   0.0 |   6.7 | 0.4002 |
|  35 | AS>CS>J>HW>Cons>LH>SotR                  | 130499 |  38166 |  77339 |  21860 |   0.0 |   7.9 | 0.3616 |
|     | #Defensive queues                        |      0 |      0 |      0 |      0 |   0.0 |   0.0 |      0 |
|  36 | ^WB>CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>SotR                 | 123159 |  36662 |  72936 |  20875 |   0.0 |   8.9 | 0.4002 |
|  37 | ^WB>CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>SotR5                | 123156 |  36662 |  72935 |  20875 |   0.0 |   8.9 | 0.4002 |
|  38 | ^WB>^SS>CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>SotR             | 120441 |  53573 |  71366 |  31003 |  96.3 |   6.5 | 0.3946 |
|  39 | ^WB>CS>^SS>J>AS>HW>Cons>SotR             | 119160 |  53454 |  70648 |  30926 |  94.5 |   7.2 | 0.3941 |
|  40 | ^WB>CS>J>^SS>AS>HW>Cons>SotR             | 119592 |  53613 |  70888 |  31020 |  95.2 |   6.7 | 0.3982 |
|  41 | ^WB>CS>J>AS+>^SS>AS>HW>Cons>SotR         | 119812 |  53537 |  71015 |  30974 |  94.6 |   6.5 | 0.3988 |
|  42 | ^WB>CS>J>AS>^SS>HW>Cons>SotR             | 117478 |  52025 |  69688 |  30067 |  85.9 |   8.9 | 0.4002 |
|  43 | ^WB>CS>J>AS>HW>^SS>Cons>SotR             | 123175 |  52031 |  72946 |  30071 |  85.9 |   4.4 | 0.4002 |
|  44 | ^WB>CS>J>AS>HW>SS[buffSS<5]>Cons>SotR    | 123175 |  52031 |  72946 |  30071 |  85.9 |   4.4 | 0.4002 |
|  45 | ^WB>CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>^SS>SotR             | 123159 |  52034 |  72936 |  30073 |  85.9 |   4.4 | 0.4002 |
|  46 | ^WB>CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>SS>SotR              | 123161 |  54552 |  72938 |  31579 | 100.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  47 | ^WB>CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>SS[buffSS<5]>SotR    | 123159 |  52034 |  72936 |  30073 |  85.9 |   4.4 | 0.4002 |
|  48 | ^WB>CS>J>AS>HW>SS[buffSS<5]>Cons>SS>SotR | 123161 |  54552 |  72938 |  31579 | 100.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  49 | ^WB>CS>J>AS>SS[buffSS<5]>HW>Cons>SS>SotR | 123161 |  54552 |  72937 |  31579 | 100.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  50 | ^WB>CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>ES>SS>SotR           | 133654 |  53789 |  79005 |  31123 |  95.7 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  51 | ^WB>CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>^SS>ES>SotR          | 133325 |  52034 |  78814 |  30073 |  85.9 |   2.3 | 0.4002 |
|  52 | ^WB>CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>HPr>SS>SotR          | 128694 |  55569 |  76320 |  32235 |  85.8 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  53 | ^WB>CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>^SS>HPr>SotR         | 128684 |  55579 |  76314 |  32241 |  85.9 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|     | #Execute range - no L90                  |      0 |      0 |      0 |      0 |   0.0 |   0.0 |      0 |
|  54 | CS>J>AS>HW>HoW>Cons>SotR                 | 135488 |  36662 |  80095 |  20875 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  55 | CS>J>AS>HoW>HW>Cons>SotR                 | 134758 |  36662 |  79644 |  20875 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  56 | CS>J>AS+>HoW>AS>HW>Cons>SotR             | 133605 |  36685 |  78951 |  20888 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4018 |
|  57 | CS>J>HoW>AS>HW>Cons>SotR                 | 133370 |  36647 |  78814 |  20866 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3991 |
|  58 | CS>HoW>J>AS>HW>Cons>SotR                 | 133371 |  36647 |  78814 |  20866 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3991 |
|  59 | HoW>CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>SotR                 | 139917 |  33567 |  82367 |  19112 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3604 |
|  60 | HoW>CS>AS+>J>AS>HW>Cons>SotR             | 139917 |  33567 |  82367 |  19112 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3604 |
|  61 | HoW>CS>AS>J>HW>Cons>SotR                 | 139917 |  33567 |  82367 |  19112 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3604 |
|  62 | HoW>AS>CS>J>HW>Cons>SotR                 | 141537 |  33078 |  83350 |  18834 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3261 |
|  63 | HoW>J>AS>CS>HW>Cons>SotR                 | 139917 |  33567 |  82367 |  19112 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3604 |
|  64 | HoW>J>CS>AS>HW>Cons>SotR                 | 139917 |  33567 |  82367 |  19112 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3604 |
|     | #Execute range - ES                      |      0 |      0 |      0 |      0 |   0.0 |   0.0 |      0 |
|  65 | CS>J>AS>HW>HoW>Cons>ES>SotR              | 135488 |  36662 |  80095 |  20875 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  66 | CS>J>AS>HW>HoW>ES>Cons>SotR              | 143092 |  36662 |  84510 |  20875 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  67 | CS>J>AS>HW>ES>HoW>Cons>SotR              | 143167 |  36662 |  84553 |  20875 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  68 | CS>J>AS>ES>HW>HoW>Cons>SotR              | 143352 |  36662 |  84654 |  20875 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  69 | CS>J>AS+>ES>AS>HW>HoW>Cons>SotR          | 143460 |  36662 |  84723 |  20875 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  70 | CS>J>ES>AS>HW>HoW>Cons>SotR              | 143461 |  36662 |  84724 |  20875 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  71 | CS>ES>J>AS>HW>HoW>Cons>SotR              | 143510 |  36622 |  84752 |  20852 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3974 |
|  72 | ES>CS>J>AS>HW>HoW>Cons>SotR              | 144170 |  36340 |  85114 |  20691 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3939 |
|  73 | HoW>CS>J>AS>HW>ES>Cons>SotR              | 146586 |  33567 |  86239 |  19112 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3604 |
|  74 | HoW>CS>J>AS>ES>HW>Cons>SotR              | 146587 |  33567 |  86240 |  19112 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3604 |
|  75 | HoW>CS>J>AS+>ES>AS>HW>Cons>SotR          | 147518 |  33573 |  86771 |  19116 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3609 |
|  76 | HoW>CS>J>ES>AS>HW>Cons>SotR              | 147711 |  33563 |  86884 |  19110 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3602 |
|  77 | HoW>CS>ES>J>AS>HW>Cons>SotR              | 147719 |  33563 |  86889 |  19110 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3602 |
|  78 | HoW>ES>CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>SotR              | 147692 |  33566 |  86873 |  19112 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3602 |
|  79 | ES>HoW>CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>SotR              | 147853 |  33470 |  86963 |  19057 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3576 |
|  80 | ES>HoW>AS>CS>J>HW>Cons>SotR              | 149613 |  32996 |  88030 |  18788 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3245 |
|  81 | ES>AS>HoW>CS>J>HW>Cons>SotR              | 149782 |  32964 |  88124 |  18769 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3252 |
|     | #Execute range - LH                      |      0 |      0 |      0 |      0 |   0.0 |   0.0 |      0 |
|  82 | CS>J>AS>HW>HoW>Cons>LH>SotR              | 135488 |  36662 |  80095 |  20875 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  83 | CS>J>AS>HW>HoW>LH>Cons>SotR              | 137576 |  39879 |  81483 |  22842 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  84 | CS>J>AS>HW>LH>HoW>Cons>SotR              | 137596 |  39911 |  81496 |  22862 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  85 | CS>J>AS>LH>HW>HoW>Cons>SotR              | 137616 |  40007 |  81506 |  22920 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  86 | CS>J>AS+>LH>AS>HW>HoW>Cons>SotR          | 137668 |  40040 |  81545 |  22940 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  87 | CS>J>LH>AS>HW>HoW>Cons>SotR              | 137667 |  40041 |  81544 |  22941 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  88 | CS>LH>J>AS>HW>HoW>Cons>SotR              | 137713 |  40003 |  81571 |  22920 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3974 |
|  89 | LH>CS>J>AS>HW>HoW>Cons>SotR              | 138348 |  39735 |  81919 |  22767 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3939 |
|  90 | HoW>CS>J>AS>HW>LH>Cons>SotR              | 141748 |  36388 |  83584 |  20837 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3604 |
|  91 | HoW>CS>J>AS>LH>HW>Cons>SotR              | 141749 |  36388 |  83584 |  20838 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3604 |
|  92 | HoW>CS>J>AS+>LH>AS>HW>Cons>SotR          | 141769 |  36926 |  83616 |  21166 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3609 |
|  93 | HoW>CS>J>LH>AS>HW>Cons>SotR              | 141820 |  36998 |  83651 |  21211 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3602 |
|  94 | HoW>CS>LH>J>AS>HW>Cons>SotR              | 141827 |  36999 |  83655 |  21211 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3602 |
|  95 | HoW>LH>CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>SotR              | 141816 |  36992 |  83649 |  21207 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3602 |
|  96 | LH>HoW>CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>SotR              | 142043 |  36859 |  83774 |  21129 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3576 |
|     | #Execute range - HPr                     |      0 |      0 |      0 |      0 |   0.0 |   0.0 |      0 |
|  97 | CS>J>AS>HW>HoW>Cons>HPr>SotR             | 135488 |  36662 |  80095 |  20875 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  98 | CS>J>AS>HW>HoW>HPr>Cons>SotR             | 135325 |  40217 |  80221 |  23048 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  99 | CS>J>AS>HW>HPr>HoW>Cons>SotR             | 135245 |  41354 |  80242 |  23744 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
| 100 | CS>J>AS>HPr>HW>HoW>Cons>SotR             | 134969 |  41392 |  80070 |  23767 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
| 101 | CS>J>AS+>HPr>AS>HW>HoW>Cons>SotR         | 134794 |  41711 |  79985 |  23961 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4006 |
| 102 | CS>J>HPr>AS>HW>HoW>Cons>SotR             | 134735 |  41727 |  79953 |  23972 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3999 |
| 103 | CS>HPr>J>AS>HW>HoW>Cons>SotR             | 135147 |  41757 |  80222 |  24000 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3844 |
| 104 | HPr>CS>J>AS>HW>HoW>Cons>SotR             | 135143 |  41757 |  80219 |  24000 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3844 |
| 105 | HoW>CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>HPr>SotR             | 139917 |  33567 |  82367 |  19112 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3604 |
| 106 | HoW>CS>J>AS>HW>HPr>Cons>SotR             | 139765 |  36893 |  82486 |  21146 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3604 |
| 107 | HoW>CS>J>AS>HPr>HW>Cons>SotR             | 139708 |  37982 |  82520 |  21812 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3604 |
| 108 | HoW>CS>J>AS+>HPr>AS>HW>Cons>SotR         | 138189 |  38473 |  81624 |  22111 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3625 |
| 109 | HoW>CS>J>HPr>AS>HW>Cons>SotR             | 137620 |  38533 |  81291 |  22150 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3589 |
| 110 | HoW>CS>HPr>J>AS>HW>Cons>SotR             | 137620 |  38533 |  81291 |  22150 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3589 |
| 111 | HoW>HPr>CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>SotR             | 137620 |  38533 |  81291 |  22150 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3589 |
| 112 | HPr>HoW>CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>SotR             | 138399 |  38585 |  81754 |  22194 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3514 |
|     | #WoG/EF                                  |      0 |      0 |      0 |      0 |   0.0 |   0.0 |      0 |
| 113 | ^WB>CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>WoG                  | 101078 |  57450 |  60302 |  33825 |   0.0 |   8.9 | 0.4002 |
| 114 | ^WB>CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>EF                   | 101075 |  66079 |  60301 |  39023 | 100.0 |   8.9 | 0.4002 |
| 115 | ^WB>CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>^EF>SotR5            | 118319 |  62441 |  70167 |  36567 |  96.7 |   8.9 | 0.4002 |
| 116 | ^WB>CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>SS>WoG               | 101077 |  75340 |  60302 |  44529 | 100.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |

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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby Thels » Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:45 pm

Yeah, I wasn't too worried about 5.1 values, but thought it might be useful to bring this up for future reference.

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|     | #Execute range - ES                      |      0 |      0 |      0 |      0 |   0.0 |   0.0 |      0 |
|  65 | CS>J>AS>HW>HoW>Cons>ES>SotR              | 135488 |  36662 |  80095 |  20875 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  66 | CS>J>AS>HW>HoW>ES>Cons>SotR              | 143092 |  36662 |  84510 |  20875 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  67 | CS>J>AS>HW>ES>HoW>Cons>SotR              | 143167 |  36662 |  84553 |  20875 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  68 | CS>J>AS>ES>HW>HoW>Cons>SotR              | 143352 |  36662 |  84654 |  20875 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  69 | CS>J>AS+>ES>AS>HW>HoW>Cons>SotR          | 143460 |  36662 |  84723 |  20875 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  70 | CS>J>ES>AS>HW>HoW>Cons>SotR              | 143461 |  36662 |  84724 |  20875 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  71 | CS>ES>J>AS>HW>HoW>Cons>SotR              | 143510 |  36622 |  84752 |  20852 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3974 |
|  72 | ES>CS>J>AS>HW>HoW>Cons>SotR              | 144170 |  36340 |  85114 |  20691 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3939 |


So it does seem that keeping ES at the bottom is a DPS loss, since it's likely not being cast at all. On the other hand, as you bump it up, it barely matters how much you bump it up, as long as it's above Consecration, and bumping it above HPG generators doesn't seem to be really worth the drawbacks. The same applies to LH, but HPr is actually a DPS loss, and should remain dead last.

Thanks a lot for the update, Theck!
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby Sagara » Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:03 pm

That's the big reason I went for HoL - the damage sucks a bit less on trash/AoE, and you get a nice raid mini-CD.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby Thels » Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:05 am

Yeah, I normally run with Light's Hammer as well, but the same applies to that (though the difference is smaller). Once the target is below 20%, move Light's Hammer up to right after Avenger's Shield (unless you of course want to use it as a CD).

Though if it's a single boss with no adds, I usually switch to Execution Sentence (and Focused Shield).
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby mikar » Fri Mar 01, 2013 9:51 am

heya,

just a quick question:

consecration is a dot, isn't it? reappyling it would lose me every tick but the next one?
during lust, when the cooldown on Cons is lowered to ~5 seconds, would i lose ~3-4 ticks if i immediately reapplied Cons when it came off cooldown?
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby theckhd » Fri Mar 01, 2013 1:28 pm

Not quite. Consecration acts sort of oddly. I did some testing a while ago, but I guess I never posted it in CtA. Here's the log, filtering for Consecration gives you:
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[11:27:57.402] Theck casts Consecration
[11:27:58.690] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:27:59.376] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:28:00.677] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:28:01.585] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:28:02.390] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:28:03.590] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:28:04.386] Theck Consecration Training Dummy *1* (O: 4481)
[11:28:05.650] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:28:05.650] Theck casts Consecration
[11:28:06.383] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:28:07.640] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:28:08.378] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:28:09.569] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2241)
[11:28:10.492] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:28:11.676] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:28:12.483] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:28:13.697] Theck Consecration Training Dummy *1* (O: 4481)
[11:28:14.477] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:28:15.689] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
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[11:29:27.484] Theck casts Consecration
[11:29:28.693] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:29:29.980] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:29:30.507] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:29:31.530] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:29:32.527] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:29:33.528] Theck Consecration Training Dummy *1* (O: 4481)
[11:29:34.789] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:29:35.638] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2241)
[11:29:35.881] Theck casts Consecration
[11:29:36.717] Theck Consecration Training Dummy *1* (O: 4482)
[11:29:37.629] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:29:38.717] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:29:39.528] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:29:40.836] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:29:41.510] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:29:42.861] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:29:43.678] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:29:44.780] Theck casts Consecration
[11:29:44.783] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:29:46.133] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:29:46.781] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:29:47.719] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:29:48.902] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:29:49.623] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:29:50.838] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:29:51.661] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:29:52.837] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:29:53.660] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:29:54.504] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)


In the first test, I just cast Cons back-to-back, casting Cons as soon as the hasted cooldown would allow. Because of haste effects the 2nd cast occurs before the 9th tick of the first Cons does. Just like a normal DoT, I got to keep that last tick. There were 8 ticks before the 2nd cast, and 10 ticks after.

In the second test, I just chained them back-to-back-to-back. In this case, there were 8 ticks between first and second cast, 8 more ticks between second and third cast, and 11 ticks after the third cast. In other words, it banked up both of the carryover ticks rather than banking just one. I haven't tested it with higher haste (though doing so under hero is a good idea), but I suspect that this pattern will continue, such that you always get 9 ticks per Cons cast as long as you don't end up casting more than one every 9 seconds.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby Schroom » Mon Mar 04, 2013 8:27 am

I'm quite concerned about why the GC change isn't in the official patchnotes....

also in the datamined patch nots I foud this: http://ptr.wowdb.com/spells/53600-shiel ... 6357-16650

does, this mean they are capping the reduce of SoTR @ 80%? this would mean they introduce a mastery softcap.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby theckhd » Mon Mar 04, 2013 11:46 am

#1) I can't imagine the GC change was reverted without telling us. It's probably an oversight in the patch notes.

#2) Yes, they capped the effect of SotR at 80%. This is their permanent fix to the "L85 soloing Elegon" problem. It also fixes the problem as it applies to L90 tanks (though the exploit was far less lucrative at L90, it was still possible, which is why I've refrained from talking about it very much).

#3) Decided to take the heroism data for Consecration. Motivated further by the fact that while looking at the log I posted, I noticed that each tick interval has a rough delta of +/- 200 milliseconds due to combat log reporting error. This means that I can't be 100% sure that we got 8 ticks before and 11 ticks after that third cast; it could have been 9/10. Sadly, it looks like it was:

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[13:34:49.602] Theck gains Heroism from Sangry
[13:34:50.944] Theck casts Consecration
[13:34:52.153] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2334)
[13:34:52.943] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2334)
[13:34:54.117] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2335)
[13:34:54.954] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2334)
[13:34:56.077] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2334)
[13:34:56.952] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2334)
[13:34:58.109] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2335)
[13:34:59.066] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2334)
[13:35:00.224] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2334)
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[13:35:07.600] Theck casts Consecration
[13:35:08.841] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2335)
[13:35:10.116] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2335)
[13:35:10.769] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2334)
[13:35:11.886] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2335)
[13:35:12.650] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2335)
[13:35:13.871] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2334)
[13:35:13.991] Theck casts Consecration
[13:35:14.839] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2334)
[13:35:16.132] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2334)
[13:35:16.863] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2334)
[13:35:17.751] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2334)
[13:35:18.973] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2334)
[13:35:19.759] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2334)
[13:35:21.118] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2334)
[13:35:21.815] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2334)
[13:35:22.746] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2335)
[13:35:23.833] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2334)
[13:35:29.489] Sangry's Heroism fades from Theck

First cast under hero gives 9 ticks with roughly 1-second interval. I then waited for it to expire and repeated, this time casting Cons on cooldown. Only 6 ticks occurred before I could recast it, and only 10 ticks occurred after the recast. So it looks like Cons does obey standard DoT rules - it will preserve the current tick and add 9 ticks to it. Unfortunately, I don't have a good way to model this attrition easily in the code yet. In practice it means that during Heroism, you should probably treat Cons as if it still had a 9-second cooldown.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby benebarba » Mon Mar 04, 2013 4:32 pm

Pardon me if this has been covered already, but does the change to GC procs from dodge/parry result in any meaningful change in our stat priority? Or is it pretty much business as usual, just with parry and dodge not being a bit less worthless?
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby Promdates » Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:17 pm

To quote Wrathblood at EJ:

Strategies

Control-Haste (fully cap Hit and Exp, all else into Haste) - Current default strategy (except against heroic Sha)
Pros: Highest DPS, great ShoR uptime%, Great at eliminating the biggest damage spikes
Cons: Takes a lot of damage, bad against medium and small sized spikes
How it works: Sacrifices everything else to maximize ShoR% uptime and reliability. If you're good and can time your ShoR perfectly, can do well.
Notes: High performance sports car build. Can do tricky things with timing ShoR other builds can't do, but low margin for error and you're going to get pummeled a lot. Theck says this should remain the choice for high-skill tanks but I'm not sure pulling off the timing required is even possible. As a tank, high-risk builds seem, well, risky.

Control-Mastery (full cap Hit and Exp, all else into Mastery) - Alternate current default strategy (use vs Sha)
Pros: Excellent against big and medium spikes, great WoGs, doesn't really have any weaknesses
Cons: Pretty much none. Still pretty good anywhere it isn't great. I guess ShoR uptime is lowish but it is reliable.
How it works: ShoR isn't up as much as other builds, but when it is it'll stop a TON of damage. Also, much higher Block% than other builds which smooths out incoming damage nicely.
Notes: This is the... um, Mercedes build? Great at eliminating a wider range of spikes than Control/Haste and still does everything else well. Probably the easiest build to play. Theck argues this should probably be the new default gearing choice and I can't really argue.

Control-Avoidance (full cap Hit and Exp, rest into Dodge and Parry)
Pros: Pretty good against spikes of all sizes
Cons: Its basically like Control-Mastery, except slightly worse at most things
How it works: Kinda like Control-Mastery except instead of bigger ShoR damage reduction, bigger WoGs and higher block%, you avoid more attacks. Net result is you take very, very slightly less damage than Control-Mastery but you get worse spikes.
Notes: Its not a bad strategy, its just not as good as Control-Mastery. The, um, Volvo strategy (given that Volvo's aren't really any safer than other cars anymore)?

Control-Balance (full cap Hit and Exp, rest into a mix of other stats) - What you'll probably use as you gear up
Pros: Its middle of the road at everything
Cons: Its middle of the road at everything
How it works: You equip upgrades as you get them
Notes: Its really not a bad strategy with the strengths and weaknesses of the three previous ones all mixed together. Gear up this way taking all the upgrades you can find, then gradually optimize when you can. There's a reason there are 10 bazillion Honda Accords on the road.

Pure Haste (throw everything into Haste)
Pros: Wow, that's a lot of haste. Extremely short GCD is probably fun to play.
Cons: While its pretty good at damage done (Hit/Exp are still better dps stats than Haste, but Haste is pretty good), its bad at everything else
How it works: Can crank out a ton of HoPo really quickly with super-short GCD and ability CDs, but lack of Hit/Exp makes HoPo generation, and thus ShoR% uptime, unreliable.
Notes: It just doesn't work very well, don't do it. Highest incoming damage PLUS arguably spikiest incoming damage is not a good combo. The Delorean of gearing strategies: Sexy, but ineffective.

Avoidance (throw everything into Dodge and Parry)
Pros: Great at reducing damage taken (10% less than Control-Mastery), Superb against Small and Medium spikes. Very strong at AoE tanking.
Cons: Not great against Big spikes but not terrible. DPS is terrible (have fun missing 1/4 of your moves plus a slow GCD), ShoR% uptime is poor AND unreliable
How it works: If you dodge a blow, it doesn't do any damage. Stripping the points out of Hit/Exp is enough to turn the corner on Avoidance, making it reliable enough to make up for the bad ShoR% uptime.
Notes: If the dps wasn't so bad, this might give Control-Mastery a run for its money. However, after 6 months of hit/exp capping and stacking haste, it feels weird and frustrating to play. AoE tanking could be amazing, though. Who cares if you miss a lot if you get to cast AS every 3rd GCD? The 18-wheeler of gearing strategies.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby theckhd » Mon Mar 04, 2013 8:25 pm

If only someone around here had a place to discuss such things. Like a blog or something.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Mar 04, 2013 9:28 pm

i dont remember you ever mentioning the C/Ba set before until today.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby theckhd » Mon Mar 04, 2013 11:47 pm

It's been in the Monte-Carlo sim since October (set #2), though I didn't start calling it "C/Bal" until December.

In any event, the point was that Wrathblood was summarizing my blog post...
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby theckhd » Mon Mar 04, 2013 11:49 pm

Also: most of the sims are updated for 5.2 now. The Stat and Weapon sims are still running. As in, currently, meaning right now. I don't expect them to be done until tomorrow morning at the earliest, because they take a long time. With any luck they'll be done before the servers come up.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby Sagara » Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:16 am

theckhd wrote:If only someone around here had a place to discuss such things. Like a blog or something.


Like I mentionned on "the super-awesome blog some fellow tankadin has been making for some time whose name contains Duty and Sacred" (patent pending), I think that, survivability-wise, we can just grab wathever drops for us with a nice fat ilvl and just avoid Crit (it's nice for DPS, but just useless for survival). Which means we'll probably tend towards actual "tank pieces" while the DPS'ers gear up, then we might actually push for Haste sidegrades if we actually want to.

Despite not being "on the level" with the best of us, I'm still probably going to go Haste over time - we're still going to get heal spammed all the freaking time, so might as well lessen the need for fast/expensive heals.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby benebarba » Tue Mar 05, 2013 6:53 am

theckhd wrote:If only someone around here had a place to discuss such things. Like a blog or something.


:oops: yeah... that would be *amazing*! A whole prot paladin blog! Imagine!


yeah, I realized as soon as I asked that I should probably check Sacred Duty :P
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby daishan » Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:17 am

Thx for all the 5.2 work :D
I'm guessing as I'm a Dwarf http://www.wowhead.com/item=96130 will end up about the same dps as http://www.wowhead.com/item=94964 ?
One thing I did notice is the mace is a 2.4 speed where as the other 3 raid weps are 2.6 speed, does that cause the mace to lag behind in dps even more? and will the faster swing speed lead to more SoI and battle healer procs?
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby Schroom » Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:42 am

well the weapon damage of the mace is still lower :(
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby Schroom » Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:51 am

oh and btw what does:
AoE target cap increased to 20 (from 10)
mean?

did our AoE only affect a maximum of 10 targets (now 20)? preventing us from effectively tanking more enemies than this number says?
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby KysenMurrin » Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:03 am

AoE damage was capped at the amount of damage the attack would deal if it hit 10 enemies. With any number of enemies above 10, that total damage number would be divided among all targets.

So, if your attack deals 100 damage per target, and hit ten enemies, it would deal a total of 1,000 damage. If it hit 20 enemies it would still deal 1,000 damage, at 50 per target. With 100 enemies, it would deal 10 damage per target.

This change increases the cap to 20, effectively removing the cap for most situations. Your theoretical 100 damage-per-target attack would now cap at 2,000 damage on 20+ enemies.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby Schroom » Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:18 am

ah ok thanks. So it's an AoE buff
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby theckhd » Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:04 am

daishan wrote:Thx for all the 5.2 work :D
I'm guessing as I'm a Dwarf http://www.wowhead.com/item=96130 will end up about the same dps as http://www.wowhead.com/item=94964 ?
One thing I did notice is the mace is a 2.4 speed where as the other 3 raid weps are 2.6 speed, does that cause the mace to lag behind in dps even more? and will the faster swing speed lead to more SoI and battle healer procs?


As a dwarf, you should look at the "2.5% hit, 8% exp" data for maces ("cfg2" on the tables). Those are the little green boxes on the plot - that shows you the additional amount of DPS that extra 1% expertise gives you.

I didn't notice that the mace was faster, but it's accounted for in the sim automatically (the weapon data is pulled from the wowhead database). In any event, weapon speed doesn't have a large effect on DPS anymore. It would cause Seal of Truth procs to be smaller relative to a slower weapon, but we're not using SoT in the sims anyway.

It will cause the proc rate of SoI to be slightly lower, not higher. SoI is 20 PPM, so the proc rate will be 20*weapon_speed/60, or 80% for 2.4-speed weapon and 86.7% for a 2.6-speed weapon. For auto-attacks that would make no difference - you'd still get an average of 20 procs either way. However, since it can proc off of specials (ex: CS), the overall rate of SoI procs will be a little lower with a faster weapon (every CS only has an 80% chance to proc SoI with the 2.4-speed weapon, whereas it's 86.7% chance with the 2.6-speed).

Weapon speed should have no effect whatsoever on Battle Healer. Battle healer converts damage to healing based on damage done, so all that matters is weapon DPS. Two weapons with different speeds but the same average DPS should produce identical BH results. CS and HotR (which proc Battle Healer as well) use normalized weapon damage.

Schroom wrote:ah ok thanks. So it's an AoE buff

Yup


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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby daishan » Thu Mar 07, 2013 2:57 am

Cheers Theck, I always get the weapon speed stuff confused -.-
No reason to go for the Mace then even as a dwarf :(
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby Schroom » Fri Mar 08, 2013 1:41 am

yep, I'm disappointed as well ...
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby Foolosophy » Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:51 am

https://sites.google.com/site/matlabadi ... CW_all.png

I don't really know how to read the weapon chart sorted by dps. Is it just the yellow lines to look at? Or is the highest dps = the one with the blue + yellow + green line which goes the most to the right?
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