Post your Frustrations.
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Made the mistake of looking at a big thread on the US forums suggesting Shaman changes. Huge mass of overpowered and unnecessary wishful thinking all wrapped up in this idea that every one of the changes is somehow needed. (You need to make all these things baseline, then give us all these new baseline things.)
Reason I was looking: I was thinking about my pet topic of improving the Enh AoE toolkit with some kind of instant AoE - it's the one thing I think Enhancement is missing - and hit on the idea they should give us Rupture Line (with a modest cooldown and as just damage without the knock-into-the-air) - and wanted to see if anyone else had had the idea. Turned out they had had the idea, only they wanted to it be big, ground targetable, and cause an aoe stun. /facepalm
Where the hell does everyone's perspective go when they're thinking of these things?
Reason I was looking: I was thinking about my pet topic of improving the Enh AoE toolkit with some kind of instant AoE - it's the one thing I think Enhancement is missing - and hit on the idea they should give us Rupture Line (with a modest cooldown and as just damage without the knock-into-the-air) - and wanted to see if anyone else had had the idea. Turned out they had had the idea, only they wanted to it be big, ground targetable, and cause an aoe stun. /facepalm
Where the hell does everyone's perspective go when they're thinking of these things?
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wow...
i would be happy with a modest 1gcd aoe option
now it takes at least 3 to do anything beyond chain lightning
i would be happy with a modest 1gcd aoe option
now it takes at least 3 to do anything beyond chain lightning

Brekkie:Tanks are like shitty DPS. And healers are like REALLY distracted DPS
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KysenMurrin wrote:Where the hell does everyone's perspective go when they're thinking of these things?
Perspective is lost in an echo chamber and when you need to address at a higher level than simply "buff my class."
Kind of surprised there isn't a Glyph of Mass Exorcism style glyph for Enchancement.
We live in a society where people born on third base constantly try to steal second, yet we expect people born with two strikes against them to hit a homerun on the first pitch.
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bldavis wrote:wow...
i would be happy with a modest 1gcd aoe option
now it takes at least 3 to do anything beyond chain lightning
Exactly!
Someone should go make the devs solo some low level instances as Enhance. It's niche activity, but really highlights the issue when you can't kill a pack of low health mobs without targetting and hitting each one individually (Lightning Shield doesn't fire if they miss, and grants no loot if it kills them; Magma Totem gets killed the instant you drop it).
Enhancement AoE is fine... when you get a chance to ramp up. Better than fine on big packs that last more than a few seconds. It's not about Enhancement needing AoE, it's about Enhancement needing better-designed AoE.
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i agree, i love the changes brought in Cata (4.1?) where lava lash spreads flame shock now
on a pack that lasts long enough and can survive getting flameshocked AND lava lashed, aoe is insane as an enh
but compare it to all the other melee classes
warriors - WW/Shockwave/Tclap
ret - divine storm
dks - D&D, howling blast if frost
rogue - FoK+Crimson tempest
monk - LOLFSK
kitty - swipe/thrash
all are 1 gcds
yes some have a minor cd on them, or restricted by energy/rage/HoPo, but none are min 3 gcds to get your aoe off
edit: i am sick and tired of fighting this cold/flu/whateverthefuckthisis
started with sore throat on sunday, now throat feels mostly better but i am congested and sore all over with a massive headache
on a pack that lasts long enough and can survive getting flameshocked AND lava lashed, aoe is insane as an enh
but compare it to all the other melee classes
warriors - WW/Shockwave/Tclap
ret - divine storm
dks - D&D, howling blast if frost
rogue - FoK+Crimson tempest
monk - LOLFSK
kitty - swipe/thrash
all are 1 gcds
yes some have a minor cd on them, or restricted by energy/rage/HoPo, but none are min 3 gcds to get your aoe off
edit: i am sick and tired of fighting this cold/flu/whateverthefuckthisis
started with sore throat on sunday, now throat feels mostly better but i am congested and sore all over with a massive headache

Brekkie:Tanks are like shitty DPS. And healers are like REALLY distracted DPS
Amirya:Why yes, your penis is longer than his because you hit 30k dps in the first 10 seconds. But guess what? That raid boss has a dick bigger than your ego.
Flex:I don't make mistakes. I execute carefully planned strategic group wipes.
Levie:(in /g) It's weird, I have a collar and I dont know where I got it from, Worgen are kinky!
Levie:Drunk Lev goes and does what he pleases just to annoy sober Lev.
Sagara:You see, you need to *spread* the bun before you insert the hot dog.
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Yea, Divine Storm takes 4 GCDs to use. 3 to generate Holy Power and a 4th to use Divine Storm.
Otherwise stick with Hammer of the Righteous and Seal of whatever it is called.
Otherwise stick with Hammer of the Righteous and Seal of whatever it is called.
We live in a society where people born on third base constantly try to steal second, yet we expect people born with two strikes against them to hit a homerun on the first pitch.
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He should've said HotR for Ret, yeah. Still, instant AoE without ramp up or cast time. (Magma Totem doesn't do enough damage to count, it's balanced around 1 sec GCD and 1 min duration.)
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but if you are sitting on HoPo, it just takes one 
you do have a point though
that and i was just going off what i could think of off the top of my congested and drugged head

you do have a point though
that and i was just going off what i could think of off the top of my congested and drugged head

Brekkie:Tanks are like shitty DPS. And healers are like REALLY distracted DPS
Amirya:Why yes, your penis is longer than his because you hit 30k dps in the first 10 seconds. But guess what? That raid boss has a dick bigger than your ego.
Flex:I don't make mistakes. I execute carefully planned strategic group wipes.
Levie:(in /g) It's weird, I have a collar and I dont know where I got it from, Worgen are kinky!
Levie:Drunk Lev goes and does what he pleases just to annoy sober Lev.
Sagara:You see, you need to *spread* the bun before you insert the hot dog.
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I always just feel silly on Lei Shi during Hide when I drop Magma Totem and just stand around while it ticks for <3k every 2 seconds.
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KysenMurrin wrote:I always just feel silly on Lei Shi during Hide when I drop Magma Totem and just stand around while it ticks for <3k every 2 seconds.
Meh, as I hunter I just stand there, and will continue to do so until they bring back volley.
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As soon as you see where she is, drop an explosive trap - it does decent damage and helps counting hits - though no way to find her - at all, except pure dumb luck (or an aoe pet possibly... hmmm)
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KysenMurrin wrote:I always just feel silly on Lei Shi during Hide when I drop Magma Totem and just stand around while it ticks for <3k every 2 seconds.
Better than being a ret pally where I can use DS if I have the HoPo and blow one of the AOE talents... then sit there. I'm hoping I feel more useful on my warrior.
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Nooska wrote:As soon as you see where she is, drop an explosive trap - it does decent damage and helps counting hits - though no way to find her - at all, except pure dumb luck (or an aoe pet possibly... hmmm)
If I ever get there in a regular raid, I'll do that.


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benebarba wrote:KysenMurrin wrote:I always just feel silly on Lei Shi during Hide when I drop Magma Totem and just stand around while it ticks for <3k every 2 seconds.
Better than being a ret pally where I can use DS if I have the HoPo and blow one of the AOE talents... then sit there. I'm hoping I feel more useful on my warrior.
Huh. I did not realise until I read your post (then checked on wowhead) that Ret no longer has Consecration. (You can tell how often I respec!)
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halabar wrote:Nooska wrote:As soon as you see where she is, drop an explosive trap - it does decent damage and helps counting hits - though no way to find her - at all, except pure dumb luck (or an aoe pet possibly... hmmm)
If I ever get there in a regular raid, I'll do that.In LFR? Let the mages run around in circles...
Or locks with immolation thingy.. destro with rain, does affliction have anything?

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Afflic has rain of fire still.
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God, Spirit King H is a bitch - I'm stuck with positioning Subetai when he pops for his Volley, and between
the end of the Flanking Orders
the Annihilate
the half-random positioning of the raid group
the split second I get before Volley flies.
It really feels like "bored, bored, bored, OMAGADITSMYTURNFUCKDODGEFLANKINGFUCKNOWANNIHILATEOMGVOLLEYIN2!"
*twitch* Not good on the nerves.
the end of the Flanking Orders
the Annihilate
the half-random positioning of the raid group
the split second I get before Volley flies.
It really feels like "bored, bored, bored, OMAGADITSMYTURNFUCKDODGEFLANKINGFUCKNOWANNIHILATEOMGVOLLEYIN2!"
*twitch* Not good on the nerves.
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Aren't you using 2 tanks for it? It makes positioning a thousand times easier.
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Yep. Thing is, we tank Qiang close to an edge, with a designated spot for Volleys. Which means that we *may* have a Flanking order passing us by around the time Annihilate kicks in. And that's usually when Qiang hits 30%.
It's mostly a matter of zen-like decision as to where I'm putting Subetai so that the Subetai - raid axis does not cross the safe spot, while considering the forbidden zones delimited by Annihilate and Flanking.
It's not *hard*, just very stressful.
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*satori moment* Waitasecond. Does AD save me from Annihilate or Flanking??
It's mostly a matter of zen-like decision as to where I'm putting Subetai so that the Subetai - raid axis does not cross the safe spot, while considering the forbidden zones delimited by Annihilate and Flanking.
It's not *hard*, just very stressful.
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*satori moment* Waitasecond. Does AD save me from Annihilate or Flanking??
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it does from flanking, not sure about annihilate
Also Frustration: Tsulong heroic and RNG keeping us away from Sha
Also Frustration: Tsulong heroic and RNG keeping us away from Sha

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Sagara wrote:*satori moment* Waitasecond. Does AD save me from Annihilate or Flanking??
It'll save you from both/either but then the boss might just melee you for your last 15% of hp anyway. Some tanks even eat an annihilate for vengeance.
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Well actually, it wouldn't be though to grab aggro, position Subetai wherever, pop AD, and keep the mouse above a fully-powered WoG if things go south.
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Worldie wrote:I used to like it [mean] back on Sylvanas.
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Sagara wrote:God, Spirit King H is a bitch - I'm stuck with positioning Subetai when he pops for his Volley, and between
the end of the Flanking Orders
the Annihilate
the half-random positioning of the raid group
the split second I get before Volley flies.
It really feels like "bored, bored, bored, OMAGADITSMYTURNFUCKDODGEFLANKINGFUCKNOWANNIHILATEOMGVOLLEYIN2!"
*twitch* Not good on the nerves.
Our 10 man started working on this tonight, we are one tanking it which does seem pretty doable. So I tank with my DK and we mark the floor so I can tell the raid where to move for flanking orders. Raid leader says, well for the next hour I expect we will just get used to you calling where to move (supposedly there is a learning curve). 3rd pull, I have the movements down and we get the 2nd boss to spawn with the 1st at 20%ish. I grab him during a flanking orders movement spin it all around and lock it down pretty as the flanking orders group moves past annihilate drops, I call for everyone to move left, 5 ppl explode.
I thought it was pretty funny, here I was supposed to be stressed making these calls, but I make them and they dont move. So as we end for the night, I casually mention to the raid leader in mumble, well it seems I know how to do my job, now you got to get the rest to listen LOL.
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KysenMurrin wrote:benebarba wrote:KysenMurrin wrote:I always just feel silly on Lei Shi during Hide when I drop Magma Totem and just stand around while it ticks for <3k every 2 seconds.
Better than being a ret pally where I can use DS if I have the HoPo and blow one of the AOE talents... then sit there. I'm hoping I feel more useful on my warrior.
Huh. I did not realise until I read your post (then checked on wowhead) that Ret no longer has Consecration. (You can tell how often I respec!)
yeah - I'm not a great ret player but there are definitely times I wish I had more damage buttons. (and I am a little bored/annoyed by inquisition buff maintenance...)
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CRZ ganking is incredibly retarded,I wouldnt mind if a same-ish level or just a few levels higher ganked me but lvl90s in full pvp gear just griefing the lowbies on a "because we can" reasoning is plain utter fucking completely retarded
I swear there are more 90 hordes here than zoneappropriate level alliance,and I've seen a total of 0 90 alliance players in hellfire peninsula.
Leveling an alt feels like if I were trying to cut my own testicles off with a spoon.
I swear there are more 90 hordes here than zoneappropriate level alliance,and I've seen a total of 0 90 alliance players in hellfire peninsula.
Leveling an alt feels like if I were trying to cut my own testicles off with a spoon.
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