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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby Schroom » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:29 am

yes, this one contains the values I was looking for, thank you very much, although I could have sworn that I had seen a graph somewhere about the blockDR.... must sleep more, play less, I guess.
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Postby Thels » Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:23 am

theckhd wrote:Single-Target Rotation Simulations[*]Execution Sentence is the high-DPS talent option, and it gets prioritized behind all of our normal fillers. This is a slight change from before (again, thanks to Holy Wrath buffs). Basically, AS/HW/Cons are all such high-DPS abilities that it costs more DPS to push them back and cast ES than it does to push ES back, even by quite a few GCDs. Also remember that this is single target DPS - for 2+ targets both of the other talents should surpass ES in the steady state.


Ok, so if ES deals more damage than the other abilities, but we're still pushing it back, I assume that's because we'll end up with less empty GCDs?

What if HoW hits the picture? With it's 6 second CD it should severely reduce the number of empty GCDs, if not remove them all together. Would that be enough to push ES to the top of the queue post HPGs?
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby jere » Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:55 am

He means higher than the other level 90 talents, not higher than the other base abilities. As far as Hammer of Wrath goes:

Hammer of Wrath hits like a truck. It hits harder than everything but AS and HW, and it's got a very short cooldown. Maximum DPS puts this at the top of our priority queue, but costs us ~4% absolute (10% relative) SotR uptime. If you're not willing to sacrifice HPG, the next best place for it in the priority queue is between HW and Cons


So it should fit between HW and Cons, further pushing ES back (probably won't use it at that point).
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby Thels » Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:46 am

jere wrote:So it should fit between HW and Cons, further pushing ES back (probably won't use it at that point).


Which is exactly my point. Normally we have an empty GCD here and there. By placing the L90 abilities at the bottom of the priority list, we minimize these empty GCDs.

But if HoW is available, we won't have those empty GCDs, so is it still worthwhile to push ES/LH further down?

If I understand Theck's post correctly, ES does more than 3 times as much damage as other abilities, and even LH deals more damage than other abilities when used against a single target. Wouldn't it make sense to use ES and LH in favor of other abilities, rather than not using them at all?



Basically, the priority under 20% target HP is:

CS > J > AS > HW > HoW > Cons > ES

How would one of the following queues compare?

CS > J > AS > HW > HoW > ES > Cons
CS > J > AS > HW > ES > HoW > Cons
CS > J > AS > ES > HW > HoW > Cons
CS > J > AS+ > ES > AS > HW > HoW > Cons
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby theckhd » Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:34 am

Once HoW is in the mix, you have no empty GCDs, even excluding L90 talents entirely. So at that point it becomes a question of DPCT, which ES handily wins. I would suspect that CS>J>AS+>ES>AS>HW>HoW>Cons would be the winner there. In practice, it's not likely to matter too much where you put it in the queue though, as for most bosses you'll only get one ES off below 20% anyway. Whether it happens early or late during that sub-20% period isn't important, provided the boss doesn't die before ES finishes ticking.

It would be a bit of a pain to sim them out now, as I've updated my copy of the code for 5.2, but I'll add them to the list of queues for the 5.2 sims.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby theckhd » Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:13 am

For your enjoyment: these are 5.2 numbers, so take them with a grain of salt (lower Grand Crusader proc rate on CS will devalue CS compared to live numbers), but they should still be pretty representative of how things work out on live. Note that this is still using T14H gear, not T15 gear.

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|     |                                          |    DPS |   SHPS |    DPS |   SHPS | SS/EF | Empty |        |
|  Q# | Priority                                 | V=150k | V=150k |  V=75k |  V=75k |   Up% |  GCD% |  HPG/s |
|     | #Barebones Queues                        |      0 |      0 |      0 |      0 |   0.0 |   0.0 |      0 |
|   1 | CS>J>AS>SotR                             |  87291 |  36662 |  52360 |  20875 |   0.0 |  35.6 | 0.4002 |
|   2 | CS>J>AS>Cons>SotR                        | 104357 |  36662 |  62117 |  20875 |   0.0 |  22.2 | 0.4002 |
|   3 | CS>J>AS>Cons>HW>SotR                     | 123849 |  36662 |  73400 |  20875 |   0.0 |   8.9 | 0.4002 |
|   4 | CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>SotR                     | 123850 |  36662 |  73401 |  20875 |   0.0 |   8.9 | 0.4002 |
|   5 | J>CS>AS>HW>Cons>SotR                     | 118872 |  33567 |  70304 |  19112 |   0.0 |  16.7 | 0.3604 |
|   6 | CS>AS>J>HW>Cons>SotR                     | 123710 |  36348 |  73346 |  20696 |   0.0 |   9.5 | 0.3781 |
|   7 | J>AS>CS>HW>Cons>SotR                     | 122359 |  33583 |  72336 |  19122 |   0.0 |  15.0 | 0.3616 |
|   8 | AS>CS>J>HW>Cons>SotR                     | 125846 |  35100 |  74494 |  19986 |   0.0 |  10.0 | 0.3616 |
|   9 | AS>J>CS>HW>Cons>SotR                     | 122358 |  33583 |  72336 |  19122 |   0.0 |  15.0 | 0.3616 |
|  10 | HotR>J>AS>HW>Cons>SotR                   | 119691 |  36662 |  70606 |  20875 |   0.0 |   8.9 | 0.4002 |
|  11 | AS+>CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>SotR                 | 124046 |  36604 |  73510 |  20842 |   0.0 |   8.9 | 0.3999 |
|  12 | CS>AS+>J>AS>HW>Cons>SotR                 | 123898 |  36662 |  73430 |  20875 |   0.0 |   8.9 | 0.4002 |
|  13 | CS>J>AS+>HW>AS>Cons>SotR                 | 124744 |  36672 |  73896 |  20881 |   0.0 |   7.6 | 0.4009 |
|  14 | CS>J>AS+>HW>Cons>AS>SotR                 | 124857 |  36685 |  73959 |  20888 |   0.0 |   7.5 | 0.4018 |
|     | #Talents                                 |      0 |      0 |      0 |      0 |   0.0 |   0.0 |      0 |
|  15 | CS>J>ES>AS>HW>Cons>SotR                  | 134572 |  36662 |  79601 |  20875 |   0.0 |   6.6 | 0.4002 |
|  16 | CS>J>AS+>ES>AS>HW>Cons>SotR              | 134852 |  36662 |  79762 |  20875 |   0.0 |   6.6 | 0.4002 |
|  17 | CS>J>AS>ES>HW>Cons>SotR                  | 131832 |  36662 |  78035 |  20875 |   0.0 |   8.8 | 0.4002 |
|  18 | CS>J>AS>HW>ES>Cons>SotR                  | 134325 |  36662 |  79458 |  20875 |   0.0 |   6.7 | 0.4002 |
|  19 | CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>ES>SotR                  | 134250 |  36662 |  79414 |  20875 |   0.0 |   6.7 | 0.4002 |
|  20 | CS>AS+>J>AS>HW>Cons>ES>SotR              | 134618 |  36662 |  79628 |  20875 |   0.0 |   6.7 | 0.4002 |
|  21 | AS>CS>J>HW>Cons>ES>SotR                  | 135755 |  35100 |  80224 |  19986 |   0.0 |   7.9 | 0.3616 |
|  22 | CS>J>HPr>AS>HW>Cons>SotR                 | 126395 |  41727 |  75152 |  23972 |   0.0 |   6.4 | 0.3999 |
|  23 | CS>J>AS+>HPr>AS>HW>Cons>SotR             | 126506 |  41711 |  75215 |  23961 |   0.0 |   6.3 | 0.4006 |
|  24 | CS>J>AS>HPr>HW>Cons>SotR                 | 127171 |  41392 |  75576 |  23767 |   0.0 |   5.9 | 0.4002 |
|  25 | CS>J>AS>HW>HPr>Cons>SotR                 | 128058 |  41346 |  76096 |  23741 |   0.0 |   5.5 | 0.3991 |
|  26 | CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>HPr>SotR                 | 129390 |  40217 |  76788 |  23048 |   0.0 |   4.4 | 0.4002 |
|  27 | CS>AS+>J>AS>HW>Cons>HPr>SotR             | 129445 |  40221 |  76821 |  23051 |   0.0 |   4.5 | 0.4002 |
|  28 | AS>CS>J>HW>Cons>HPr>SotR                 | 132064 |  39090 |  78296 |  22425 |   0.0 |   5.0 | 0.3616 |
|  29 | CS>J>LH>AS>HW>Cons>SotR                  | 128893 |  39975 |  76484 |  22900 |   0.0 |   6.6 | 0.4002 |
|  30 | CS>J>AS+>LH>AS>HW>Cons>SotR              | 129008 |  40071 |  76555 |  22959 |   0.0 |   6.6 | 0.4002 |
|  31 | CS>J>AS>LH>HW>Cons>SotR                  | 126096 |  40007 |  74887 |  22920 |   0.0 |   8.8 | 0.4002 |
|  32 | CS>J>AS>HW>LH>Cons>SotR                  | 128754 |  39911 |  76401 |  22862 |   0.0 |   6.7 | 0.4002 |
|  33 | CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>LH>SotR                  | 128734 |  39879 |  76387 |  22842 |   0.0 |   6.7 | 0.4002 |
|  34 | CS>AS+>J>AS>HW>Cons>LH>SotR              | 128932 |  39978 |  76508 |  22903 |   0.0 |   6.7 | 0.4002 |
|  35 | AS>CS>J>HW>Cons>LH>SotR                  | 130499 |  38166 |  77339 |  21860 |   0.0 |   7.9 | 0.3616 |
|     | #Defensive queues                        |      0 |      0 |      0 |      0 |   0.0 |   0.0 |      0 |
|  36 | ^WB>CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>SotR                 | 123159 |  36662 |  72936 |  20875 |   0.0 |   8.9 | 0.4002 |
|  37 | ^WB>CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>SotR5                | 123156 |  36662 |  72935 |  20875 |   0.0 |   8.9 | 0.4002 |
|  38 | ^WB>^SS>CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>SotR             | 120441 |  53573 |  71366 |  31003 |  96.3 |   6.5 | 0.3946 |
|  39 | ^WB>CS>^SS>J>AS>HW>Cons>SotR             | 119160 |  53454 |  70648 |  30926 |  94.5 |   7.2 | 0.3941 |
|  40 | ^WB>CS>J>^SS>AS>HW>Cons>SotR             | 119592 |  53613 |  70888 |  31020 |  95.2 |   6.7 | 0.3982 |
|  41 | ^WB>CS>J>AS+>^SS>AS>HW>Cons>SotR         | 119812 |  53537 |  71015 |  30974 |  94.6 |   6.5 | 0.3988 |
|  42 | ^WB>CS>J>AS>^SS>HW>Cons>SotR             | 117478 |  52025 |  69688 |  30067 |  85.9 |   8.9 | 0.4002 |
|  43 | ^WB>CS>J>AS>HW>^SS>Cons>SotR             | 123175 |  52031 |  72946 |  30071 |  85.9 |   4.4 | 0.4002 |
|  44 | ^WB>CS>J>AS>HW>SS[buffSS<5]>Cons>SotR    | 123175 |  52031 |  72946 |  30071 |  85.9 |   4.4 | 0.4002 |
|  45 | ^WB>CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>^SS>SotR             | 123159 |  52034 |  72936 |  30073 |  85.9 |   4.4 | 0.4002 |
|  46 | ^WB>CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>SS>SotR              | 123161 |  54552 |  72938 |  31579 | 100.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  47 | ^WB>CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>SS[buffSS<5]>SotR    | 123159 |  52034 |  72936 |  30073 |  85.9 |   4.4 | 0.4002 |
|  48 | ^WB>CS>J>AS>HW>SS[buffSS<5]>Cons>SS>SotR | 123161 |  54552 |  72938 |  31579 | 100.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  49 | ^WB>CS>J>AS>SS[buffSS<5]>HW>Cons>SS>SotR | 123161 |  54552 |  72937 |  31579 | 100.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  50 | ^WB>CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>ES>SS>SotR           | 133654 |  53789 |  79005 |  31123 |  95.7 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  51 | ^WB>CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>^SS>ES>SotR          | 133325 |  52034 |  78814 |  30073 |  85.9 |   2.3 | 0.4002 |
|  52 | ^WB>CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>HPr>SS>SotR          | 128694 |  55569 |  76320 |  32235 |  85.8 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  53 | ^WB>CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>^SS>HPr>SotR         | 128684 |  55579 |  76314 |  32241 |  85.9 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|     | #Execute range - no L90                  |      0 |      0 |      0 |      0 |   0.0 |   0.0 |      0 |
|  54 | CS>J>AS>HW>HoW>Cons>SotR                 | 135488 |  36662 |  80095 |  20875 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  55 | CS>J>AS>HoW>HW>Cons>SotR                 | 134758 |  36662 |  79644 |  20875 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  56 | CS>J>AS+>HoW>AS>HW>Cons>SotR             | 133605 |  36685 |  78951 |  20888 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4018 |
|  57 | CS>J>HoW>AS>HW>Cons>SotR                 | 133370 |  36647 |  78814 |  20866 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3991 |
|  58 | CS>HoW>J>AS>HW>Cons>SotR                 | 133371 |  36647 |  78814 |  20866 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3991 |
|  59 | HoW>CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>SotR                 | 139917 |  33567 |  82367 |  19112 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3604 |
|  60 | HoW>CS>AS+>J>AS>HW>Cons>SotR             | 139917 |  33567 |  82367 |  19112 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3604 |
|  61 | HoW>CS>AS>J>HW>Cons>SotR                 | 139917 |  33567 |  82367 |  19112 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3604 |
|  62 | HoW>AS>CS>J>HW>Cons>SotR                 | 141537 |  33078 |  83350 |  18834 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3261 |
|  63 | HoW>J>AS>CS>HW>Cons>SotR                 | 139917 |  33567 |  82367 |  19112 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3604 |
|  64 | HoW>J>CS>AS>HW>Cons>SotR                 | 139917 |  33567 |  82367 |  19112 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3604 |
|     | #Execute range - ES                      |      0 |      0 |      0 |      0 |   0.0 |   0.0 |      0 |
|  65 | CS>J>AS>HW>HoW>Cons>ES>SotR              | 135488 |  36662 |  80095 |  20875 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  66 | CS>J>AS>HW>HoW>ES>Cons>SotR              | 143092 |  36662 |  84510 |  20875 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  67 | CS>J>AS>HW>ES>HoW>Cons>SotR              | 143167 |  36662 |  84553 |  20875 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  68 | CS>J>AS>ES>HW>HoW>Cons>SotR              | 143352 |  36662 |  84654 |  20875 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  69 | CS>J>AS+>ES>AS>HW>HoW>Cons>SotR          | 143460 |  36662 |  84723 |  20875 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  70 | CS>J>ES>AS>HW>HoW>Cons>SotR              | 143461 |  36662 |  84724 |  20875 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  71 | CS>ES>J>AS>HW>HoW>Cons>SotR              | 143510 |  36622 |  84752 |  20852 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3974 |
|  72 | ES>CS>J>AS>HW>HoW>Cons>SotR              | 144170 |  36340 |  85114 |  20691 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3939 |
|  73 | HoW>CS>J>AS>HW>ES>Cons>SotR              | 146586 |  33567 |  86239 |  19112 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3604 |
|  74 | HoW>CS>J>AS>ES>HW>Cons>SotR              | 146587 |  33567 |  86240 |  19112 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3604 |
|  75 | HoW>CS>J>AS+>ES>AS>HW>Cons>SotR          | 147518 |  33573 |  86771 |  19116 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3609 |
|  76 | HoW>CS>J>ES>AS>HW>Cons>SotR              | 147711 |  33563 |  86884 |  19110 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3602 |
|  77 | HoW>CS>ES>J>AS>HW>Cons>SotR              | 147719 |  33563 |  86889 |  19110 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3602 |
|  78 | HoW>ES>CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>SotR              | 147692 |  33566 |  86873 |  19112 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3602 |
|  79 | ES>HoW>CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>SotR              | 147853 |  33470 |  86963 |  19057 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3576 |
|  80 | ES>HoW>AS>CS>J>HW>Cons>SotR              | 149613 |  32996 |  88030 |  18788 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3245 |
|  81 | ES>AS>HoW>CS>J>HW>Cons>SotR              | 149782 |  32964 |  88124 |  18769 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3252 |
|     | #Execute range - LH                      |      0 |      0 |      0 |      0 |   0.0 |   0.0 |      0 |
|  82 | CS>J>AS>HW>HoW>Cons>LH>SotR              | 135488 |  36662 |  80095 |  20875 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  83 | CS>J>AS>HW>HoW>LH>Cons>SotR              | 137576 |  39879 |  81483 |  22842 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  84 | CS>J>AS>HW>LH>HoW>Cons>SotR              | 137596 |  39911 |  81496 |  22862 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  85 | CS>J>AS>LH>HW>HoW>Cons>SotR              | 137616 |  40007 |  81506 |  22920 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  86 | CS>J>AS+>LH>AS>HW>HoW>Cons>SotR          | 137668 |  40040 |  81545 |  22940 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  87 | CS>J>LH>AS>HW>HoW>Cons>SotR              | 137667 |  40041 |  81544 |  22941 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  88 | CS>LH>J>AS>HW>HoW>Cons>SotR              | 137713 |  40003 |  81571 |  22920 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3974 |
|  89 | LH>CS>J>AS>HW>HoW>Cons>SotR              | 138348 |  39735 |  81919 |  22767 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3939 |
|  90 | HoW>CS>J>AS>HW>LH>Cons>SotR              | 141748 |  36388 |  83584 |  20837 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3604 |
|  91 | HoW>CS>J>AS>LH>HW>Cons>SotR              | 141749 |  36388 |  83584 |  20838 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3604 |
|  92 | HoW>CS>J>AS+>LH>AS>HW>Cons>SotR          | 141769 |  36926 |  83616 |  21166 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3609 |
|  93 | HoW>CS>J>LH>AS>HW>Cons>SotR              | 141820 |  36998 |  83651 |  21211 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3602 |
|  94 | HoW>CS>LH>J>AS>HW>Cons>SotR              | 141827 |  36999 |  83655 |  21211 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3602 |
|  95 | HoW>LH>CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>SotR              | 141816 |  36992 |  83649 |  21207 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3602 |
|  96 | LH>HoW>CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>SotR              | 142043 |  36859 |  83774 |  21129 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3576 |
|     | #Execute range - HPr                     |      0 |      0 |      0 |      0 |   0.0 |   0.0 |      0 |
|  97 | CS>J>AS>HW>HoW>Cons>HPr>SotR             | 135488 |  36662 |  80095 |  20875 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  98 | CS>J>AS>HW>HoW>HPr>Cons>SotR             | 135325 |  40217 |  80221 |  23048 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  99 | CS>J>AS>HW>HPr>HoW>Cons>SotR             | 135245 |  41354 |  80242 |  23744 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
| 100 | CS>J>AS>HPr>HW>HoW>Cons>SotR             | 134969 |  41392 |  80070 |  23767 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
| 101 | CS>J>AS+>HPr>AS>HW>HoW>Cons>SotR         | 134794 |  41711 |  79985 |  23961 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4006 |
| 102 | CS>J>HPr>AS>HW>HoW>Cons>SotR             | 134735 |  41727 |  79953 |  23972 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3999 |
| 103 | CS>HPr>J>AS>HW>HoW>Cons>SotR             | 135147 |  41757 |  80222 |  24000 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3844 |
| 104 | HPr>CS>J>AS>HW>HoW>Cons>SotR             | 135143 |  41757 |  80219 |  24000 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3844 |
| 105 | HoW>CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>HPr>SotR             | 139917 |  33567 |  82367 |  19112 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3604 |
| 106 | HoW>CS>J>AS>HW>HPr>Cons>SotR             | 139765 |  36893 |  82486 |  21146 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3604 |
| 107 | HoW>CS>J>AS>HPr>HW>Cons>SotR             | 139708 |  37982 |  82520 |  21812 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3604 |
| 108 | HoW>CS>J>AS+>HPr>AS>HW>Cons>SotR         | 138189 |  38473 |  81624 |  22111 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3625 |
| 109 | HoW>CS>J>HPr>AS>HW>Cons>SotR             | 137620 |  38533 |  81291 |  22150 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3589 |
| 110 | HoW>CS>HPr>J>AS>HW>Cons>SotR             | 137620 |  38533 |  81291 |  22150 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3589 |
| 111 | HoW>HPr>CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>SotR             | 137620 |  38533 |  81291 |  22150 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3589 |
| 112 | HPr>HoW>CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>SotR             | 138399 |  38585 |  81754 |  22194 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3514 |
|     | #WoG/EF                                  |      0 |      0 |      0 |      0 |   0.0 |   0.0 |      0 |
| 113 | ^WB>CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>WoG                  | 101078 |  57450 |  60302 |  33825 |   0.0 |   8.9 | 0.4002 |
| 114 | ^WB>CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>EF                   | 101075 |  66079 |  60301 |  39023 | 100.0 |   8.9 | 0.4002 |
| 115 | ^WB>CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>^EF>SotR5            | 118319 |  62441 |  70167 |  36567 |  96.7 |   8.9 | 0.4002 |
| 116 | ^WB>CS>J>AS>HW>Cons>SS>WoG               | 101077 |  75340 |  60302 |  44529 | 100.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |

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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby Thels » Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:45 pm

Yeah, I wasn't too worried about 5.1 values, but thought it might be useful to bring this up for future reference.

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|     | #Execute range - ES                      |      0 |      0 |      0 |      0 |   0.0 |   0.0 |      0 |
|  65 | CS>J>AS>HW>HoW>Cons>ES>SotR              | 135488 |  36662 |  80095 |  20875 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  66 | CS>J>AS>HW>HoW>ES>Cons>SotR              | 143092 |  36662 |  84510 |  20875 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  67 | CS>J>AS>HW>ES>HoW>Cons>SotR              | 143167 |  36662 |  84553 |  20875 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  68 | CS>J>AS>ES>HW>HoW>Cons>SotR              | 143352 |  36662 |  84654 |  20875 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  69 | CS>J>AS+>ES>AS>HW>HoW>Cons>SotR          | 143460 |  36662 |  84723 |  20875 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  70 | CS>J>ES>AS>HW>HoW>Cons>SotR              | 143461 |  36662 |  84724 |  20875 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.4002 |
|  71 | CS>ES>J>AS>HW>HoW>Cons>SotR              | 143510 |  36622 |  84752 |  20852 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3974 |
|  72 | ES>CS>J>AS>HW>HoW>Cons>SotR              | 144170 |  36340 |  85114 |  20691 |   0.0 |   0.0 | 0.3939 |


So it does seem that keeping ES at the bottom is a DPS loss, since it's likely not being cast at all. On the other hand, as you bump it up, it barely matters how much you bump it up, as long as it's above Consecration, and bumping it above HPG generators doesn't seem to be really worth the drawbacks. The same applies to LH, but HPr is actually a DPS loss, and should remain dead last.

Thanks a lot for the update, Theck!
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby Sagara » Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:03 pm

That's the big reason I went for HoL - the damage sucks a bit less on trash/AoE, and you get a nice raid mini-CD.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby Thels » Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:05 am

Yeah, I normally run with Light's Hammer as well, but the same applies to that (though the difference is smaller). Once the target is below 20%, move Light's Hammer up to right after Avenger's Shield (unless you of course want to use it as a CD).

Though if it's a single boss with no adds, I usually switch to Execution Sentence (and Focused Shield).
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby mikar » Fri Mar 01, 2013 9:51 am

heya,

just a quick question:

consecration is a dot, isn't it? reappyling it would lose me every tick but the next one?
during lust, when the cooldown on Cons is lowered to ~5 seconds, would i lose ~3-4 ticks if i immediately reapplied Cons when it came off cooldown?
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby theckhd » Fri Mar 01, 2013 1:28 pm

Not quite. Consecration acts sort of oddly. I did some testing a while ago, but I guess I never posted it in CtA. Here's the log, filtering for Consecration gives you:
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[11:27:57.402] Theck casts Consecration
[11:27:58.690] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:27:59.376] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:28:00.677] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:28:01.585] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:28:02.390] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:28:03.590] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:28:04.386] Theck Consecration Training Dummy *1* (O: 4481)
[11:28:05.650] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:28:05.650] Theck casts Consecration
[11:28:06.383] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:28:07.640] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:28:08.378] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:28:09.569] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2241)
[11:28:10.492] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:28:11.676] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:28:12.483] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:28:13.697] Theck Consecration Training Dummy *1* (O: 4481)
[11:28:14.477] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:28:15.689] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
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[11:29:27.484] Theck casts Consecration
[11:29:28.693] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:29:29.980] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:29:30.507] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:29:31.530] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:29:32.527] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:29:33.528] Theck Consecration Training Dummy *1* (O: 4481)
[11:29:34.789] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:29:35.638] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2241)
[11:29:35.881] Theck casts Consecration
[11:29:36.717] Theck Consecration Training Dummy *1* (O: 4482)
[11:29:37.629] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:29:38.717] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:29:39.528] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:29:40.836] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:29:41.510] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:29:42.861] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:29:43.678] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:29:44.780] Theck casts Consecration
[11:29:44.783] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:29:46.133] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:29:46.781] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:29:47.719] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:29:48.902] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:29:49.623] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:29:50.838] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:29:51.661] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:29:52.837] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:29:53.660] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)
[11:29:54.504] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2240)


In the first test, I just cast Cons back-to-back, casting Cons as soon as the hasted cooldown would allow. Because of haste effects the 2nd cast occurs before the 9th tick of the first Cons does. Just like a normal DoT, I got to keep that last tick. There were 8 ticks before the 2nd cast, and 10 ticks after.

In the second test, I just chained them back-to-back-to-back. In this case, there were 8 ticks between first and second cast, 8 more ticks between second and third cast, and 11 ticks after the third cast. In other words, it banked up both of the carryover ticks rather than banking just one. I haven't tested it with higher haste (though doing so under hero is a good idea), but I suspect that this pattern will continue, such that you always get 9 ticks per Cons cast as long as you don't end up casting more than one every 9 seconds.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby Schroom » Mon Mar 04, 2013 8:27 am

I'm quite concerned about why the GC change isn't in the official patchnotes....

also in the datamined patch nots I foud this: http://ptr.wowdb.com/spells/53600-shiel ... 6357-16650

does, this mean they are capping the reduce of SoTR @ 80%? this would mean they introduce a mastery softcap.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby theckhd » Mon Mar 04, 2013 11:46 am

#1) I can't imagine the GC change was reverted without telling us. It's probably an oversight in the patch notes.

#2) Yes, they capped the effect of SotR at 80%. This is their permanent fix to the "L85 soloing Elegon" problem. It also fixes the problem as it applies to L90 tanks (though the exploit was far less lucrative at L90, it was still possible, which is why I've refrained from talking about it very much).

#3) Decided to take the heroism data for Consecration. Motivated further by the fact that while looking at the log I posted, I noticed that each tick interval has a rough delta of +/- 200 milliseconds due to combat log reporting error. This means that I can't be 100% sure that we got 8 ticks before and 11 ticks after that third cast; it could have been 9/10. Sadly, it looks like it was:

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[13:34:49.602] Theck gains Heroism from Sangry
[13:34:50.944] Theck casts Consecration
[13:34:52.153] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2334)
[13:34:52.943] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2334)
[13:34:54.117] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2335)
[13:34:54.954] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2334)
[13:34:56.077] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2334)
[13:34:56.952] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2334)
[13:34:58.109] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2335)
[13:34:59.066] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2334)
[13:35:00.224] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2334)
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[13:35:07.600] Theck casts Consecration
[13:35:08.841] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2335)
[13:35:10.116] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2335)
[13:35:10.769] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2334)
[13:35:11.886] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2335)
[13:35:12.650] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2335)
[13:35:13.871] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2334)
[13:35:13.991] Theck casts Consecration
[13:35:14.839] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2334)
[13:35:16.132] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2334)
[13:35:16.863] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2334)
[13:35:17.751] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2334)
[13:35:18.973] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2334)
[13:35:19.759] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2334)
[13:35:21.118] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2334)
[13:35:21.815] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2334)
[13:35:22.746] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2335)
[13:35:23.833] Theck Consecration Training Dummy 1 (O: 2334)
[13:35:29.489] Sangry's Heroism fades from Theck

First cast under hero gives 9 ticks with roughly 1-second interval. I then waited for it to expire and repeated, this time casting Cons on cooldown. Only 6 ticks occurred before I could recast it, and only 10 ticks occurred after the recast. So it looks like Cons does obey standard DoT rules - it will preserve the current tick and add 9 ticks to it. Unfortunately, I don't have a good way to model this attrition easily in the code yet. In practice it means that during Heroism, you should probably treat Cons as if it still had a 9-second cooldown.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby benebarba » Mon Mar 04, 2013 4:32 pm

Pardon me if this has been covered already, but does the change to GC procs from dodge/parry result in any meaningful change in our stat priority? Or is it pretty much business as usual, just with parry and dodge not being a bit less worthless?
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby Promdates » Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:17 pm

To quote Wrathblood at EJ:

Strategies

Control-Haste (fully cap Hit and Exp, all else into Haste) - Current default strategy (except against heroic Sha)
Pros: Highest DPS, great ShoR uptime%, Great at eliminating the biggest damage spikes
Cons: Takes a lot of damage, bad against medium and small sized spikes
How it works: Sacrifices everything else to maximize ShoR% uptime and reliability. If you're good and can time your ShoR perfectly, can do well.
Notes: High performance sports car build. Can do tricky things with timing ShoR other builds can't do, but low margin for error and you're going to get pummeled a lot. Theck says this should remain the choice for high-skill tanks but I'm not sure pulling off the timing required is even possible. As a tank, high-risk builds seem, well, risky.

Control-Mastery (full cap Hit and Exp, all else into Mastery) - Alternate current default strategy (use vs Sha)
Pros: Excellent against big and medium spikes, great WoGs, doesn't really have any weaknesses
Cons: Pretty much none. Still pretty good anywhere it isn't great. I guess ShoR uptime is lowish but it is reliable.
How it works: ShoR isn't up as much as other builds, but when it is it'll stop a TON of damage. Also, much higher Block% than other builds which smooths out incoming damage nicely.
Notes: This is the... um, Mercedes build? Great at eliminating a wider range of spikes than Control/Haste and still does everything else well. Probably the easiest build to play. Theck argues this should probably be the new default gearing choice and I can't really argue.

Control-Avoidance (full cap Hit and Exp, rest into Dodge and Parry)
Pros: Pretty good against spikes of all sizes
Cons: Its basically like Control-Mastery, except slightly worse at most things
How it works: Kinda like Control-Mastery except instead of bigger ShoR damage reduction, bigger WoGs and higher block%, you avoid more attacks. Net result is you take very, very slightly less damage than Control-Mastery but you get worse spikes.
Notes: Its not a bad strategy, its just not as good as Control-Mastery. The, um, Volvo strategy (given that Volvo's aren't really any safer than other cars anymore)?

Control-Balance (full cap Hit and Exp, rest into a mix of other stats) - What you'll probably use as you gear up
Pros: Its middle of the road at everything
Cons: Its middle of the road at everything
How it works: You equip upgrades as you get them
Notes: Its really not a bad strategy with the strengths and weaknesses of the three previous ones all mixed together. Gear up this way taking all the upgrades you can find, then gradually optimize when you can. There's a reason there are 10 bazillion Honda Accords on the road.

Pure Haste (throw everything into Haste)
Pros: Wow, that's a lot of haste. Extremely short GCD is probably fun to play.
Cons: While its pretty good at damage done (Hit/Exp are still better dps stats than Haste, but Haste is pretty good), its bad at everything else
How it works: Can crank out a ton of HoPo really quickly with super-short GCD and ability CDs, but lack of Hit/Exp makes HoPo generation, and thus ShoR% uptime, unreliable.
Notes: It just doesn't work very well, don't do it. Highest incoming damage PLUS arguably spikiest incoming damage is not a good combo. The Delorean of gearing strategies: Sexy, but ineffective.

Avoidance (throw everything into Dodge and Parry)
Pros: Great at reducing damage taken (10% less than Control-Mastery), Superb against Small and Medium spikes. Very strong at AoE tanking.
Cons: Not great against Big spikes but not terrible. DPS is terrible (have fun missing 1/4 of your moves plus a slow GCD), ShoR% uptime is poor AND unreliable
How it works: If you dodge a blow, it doesn't do any damage. Stripping the points out of Hit/Exp is enough to turn the corner on Avoidance, making it reliable enough to make up for the bad ShoR% uptime.
Notes: If the dps wasn't so bad, this might give Control-Mastery a run for its money. However, after 6 months of hit/exp capping and stacking haste, it feels weird and frustrating to play. AoE tanking could be amazing, though. Who cares if you miss a lot if you get to cast AS every 3rd GCD? The 18-wheeler of gearing strategies.
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