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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:14 pm

So... the girl that pointed a hello kitty bubble gun at someone got suspended but the kids that beat up another kid into a comma don't get charged for assault? (though technically, the comma was medically induced to control the swelling)
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?secti ... id=8983472

Heck, for that matter, the kids the beat the crap of the poor comatose kid only got a two day suspension.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Shoju » Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:59 pm

Skye1013 wrote:
Shoju wrote:Personally, if we have to come to a point where there is a sales tax levied on the internet, it needs to be a flat rate, charged on all online transactions. Not based on state of purchase or shipment. The problem that this will run into, is that it could negatively impact "brick and mortar" shops in states where Sales Tax is higher than the "Net Tax".

Not sure how a fixed tax would negatively impact "brick and mortar" shops... since having no tax whatsoever (in a lot of cases) doesn't seem to be impacting them all that much.


Because if you move to a Fixed "Net Tax" that is countrywide, there will be places where it is lower than the through the door sales tax. Unless you do a "Pay your normal sales tax in state, and all out of state is charged a "Net Tax".

Shoju wrote:On another note, Jim Wright, over at Stonekettle Station Dropped a new blog last night, about the net, and social media. It's well worth the read.

I read that today at work, and felt it was quite enjoyable. I especially got a kick out of the Applebees facebook thing... I mean seriously Applebees... take your licks and move on.[/quote]

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:16 pm

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/02/08/ac ... torically/

I am thinking the ACLU is going about it the wrong way.

They should sue to have other deities have their own portraits on that wall as well!

That way, the school would rather just take the Jesus portrait down that having it share a wall with the likes of Buddha, Shiva, Moses, John Smith, et al.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby bldavis » Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:54 pm

im fine with religious displays as long as they are open to ALL religions
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Feb 08, 2013 3:05 pm

bldavis wrote:im fine with religious displays as long as they are open to ALL religions


Same.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby KysenMurrin » Fri Feb 08, 2013 3:08 pm

I dunno, isn't that biased against non-religion? ;)
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby bldavis » Fri Feb 08, 2013 3:15 pm

have an empty frame to represent the lack of diety for those that are agnostic/atheist...

and note this is coming form an agnoostic
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Feb 08, 2013 3:22 pm

Well... you can either choose to put a pic of Sagan, Darwin, Hitchens or Dawkins for non-believers; well either that or the Flying Spaghetti Monster
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Sagara » Sat Feb 09, 2013 1:56 am

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Nooska » Sat Feb 09, 2013 3:28 am

I would assume that the truly atheist would not need any picture as they would "know" that the other pictures are already "false".
A big questionmark in a frame for agnostics though.

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby KysenMurrin » Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:22 am

Nooska wrote:I would assume that the truly atheist would not need any picture as they would "know" that the other pictures are already "false".
A big questionmark in a frame for agnostics though.

The key thing is this is about influence on the youth, who may not have fully formed their opinions yet. By acknowledging one religion, you're giving it an implicit legitimacy. By acknowledging all religions, you're giving religion an implicit legitimacy.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Dantriges » Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:16 am

Could go in both ways. The young people could embrace the faith or reject it, depending on their own personality. One picture doesn´t change much or even crosses on every wall. Ok we don´t have (many) fundamentalists trying to make science classes teach creationism and history into bible study. AFAIK adolescents/kids don´t turn to a specific religion because of symbols hanging on walls. you turn to a belief system because it fills a specific need.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Koatanga » Sat Feb 09, 2013 2:38 pm

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Nooska » Sun Feb 10, 2013 3:58 am

Thing is, I encounter a LOT of people claiming to be atheist, while truly being agnostic - and others that are religious about atheism and need to preach it (that wouldn't be atheism really)
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Paxen » Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:16 am

Nooska wrote:Thing is, I encounter a LOT of people claiming to be atheist, while truly being agnostic - and others that are religious about atheism and need to preach it (that wouldn't be atheism really)


That's a matter of definition. Agnostic is originally a very mystical philosophy that says that we cannot know anything about God. I think most people that self-identify as "agnostic" are more of the "I don't know, and maybe I don't care" variety, which I think is properly a type of atheism. Atheist just means a person that doesn't believe in god, which covers a wide range of people, from the "agnostics" to more hard line atheists who claim that all religions are unsupported by evidence, so it's sheer idiocy to believe in them.

I don't mind people calling hard-liner atheists obnoxious or pompous, but it always bugs me when they're called religious. Nobody takes the non-existence of gods as an article of faith. Rather, they find that they can find no evidence for gods or reason to believe there is one, and therefore rejects it until better evidence is presented.
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