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[halabar]

he doesn't get any flak about it but Tebow does?

He gets tons of flack from it in the DC radio market.The religious but non-Born Again think it is over the top with the common expression being "God doesn't care about football". For me hearing how Born Again people feel about Jesus Lewis' talk is pretty much exactly the same.

Don't have access to the DC Market radio shows. Not really interesting in the DC radio shows, considering I hate both the skins and the nationals...



Now, to be honest, Tebow's overt expression of religiousness kinda rubs me the wrong way at times, but nowhere near as bad as Lewis...

That's a bit harsh on Tebow, since he's using a good part of his football money towards building an orphanage in the phillipines, if I remember correctly.

You also seem to mock Christians thanking God for anything?

Tebow has put his money and actions forward. I have yet to see Lewis do the same.

[Klaudandus]

I know its Tebow on the pic, and yet it's not a jab at him... in fact, I often give him a free pass, which you can tell as I often say good things about Tebow on this thread -- it's actually more of a knock on Lewis... he comes off as fake

That was actually the real purpose of the pic.

If my google-fu had found a Ray Lewis version of that pic, thanking god for getting scott-free from murder and for winning two superbowls, I'd have used that instead.

[halabar]

I know its Tebow on the pic, and yet it's not a jab at him... in fact, I often give him a free pass, which you can tell as I often say good things about Tebow on this thread -- it's actually more of a knock on Lewis... he comes off as fake

That was actually the real purpose of the pic.

Agree on Lewis, and many of the other touchdown thankers that are stopped for duis and whatnot in the offseason, and have posses the size of Cleveland.

[Flex]

If my google-fu had found a Ray Lewis version of that pic, thanking god for getting scott-free from murder and for winning two superbowls, I'd have used that instead.

Lewis was the only person involved in that to get any sort of punishment.

The two people in his entourage that were charged were acquitted because everyone's story was different.

[Klaudandus]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mlb/ne ... &eref=sihp

Braun linked to the same clinic A-Roid was using.

[Shoju]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mlb/news/20130205/ryan-braun-florida-clinic-records-peds.ap/?sct=hp_t2_a5&eref=sihp

Braun linked to the same clinic A-Roid was using.

Braun and his lawyers both came out and said that this guy was key in the defense he presented on taintedness.

Curious, does that make it "better" for braun, or worse? I mean. It's one thing to be a cheat, but if you use a cheat to get you out of being busted, what does that say?

[halabar]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mlb/news/20130205/ryan-braun-florida-clinic-records-peds.ap/?sct=hp_t2_a5&eref=sihp

Braun linked to the same clinic A-Roid was using.

Braun and his lawyers both came out and said that this guy was key in the defense he presented on taintedness.

Curious, does that make it "better" for braun, or worse? I mean. It's one thing to be a cheat, but if you use a cheat to get you out of being busted, what does that say?

Yep. It's rather damning to use a cheat to get off.

But here's what people are missing. Braun's admission of using that guy validates the records that the newspaper got. Which means MLB has more evidence that the records are legit. Which means much more trouble for the others named.

I think we are in for another summer of steroids.

[Klaudandus]

If you accept Braun's explanation, when he was in his darkest hour -- fighting MLB on a positive drug test -- to gather expertise he went to someone who not only is not a doctor and not licensed to practice medicine, not considered to have expertise in chain of custody issues, but who also had been connected by MLB and the DEA, and known to the players association, to the 2009 bust of Manny Ramirez; it was Bosch's father, Dr. Pedro Bosch, who wrote a prescription for a banned substance to Ramirez.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mlb/ne ... z2K92oO1hl

[Flex]

Did anyone really think Braun was clean after the initial suspension was overturned?

[Shoju]

Did anyone really think Braun was clean after the initial suspension was overturned?

I was holding a slim chance of "hope" that it really was something stupid, and not that he was dirty. It's part of me trying to "reclaim" my belief in the sport of baseball. But, this killed any chance of the sport being clean in my eyes for a very long time.

[Klaudandus]

Yeah, I was gonna say that as far as I recall from the huge Braun brouhaha several months ago, the only one that defended Braun was Shoju =P

Although it was more like a Devil's Advocate thing, dealing with the chain of custody, and not actually defending Braun per se.

[Shoju]

Yeah, I was gonna say that as far as I recall from the huge Braun brouhaha several months ago, the only one that defended Braun was Shoju =P

Braun was on a short list of players that I would say "no way!" about. But after this? I just... I can't honestly look at a single ballplayer and say "Yeah, I think they're clean".

When I first heard his explanation, I was like "oh, well that makes sense." but then I was reading another article, and it's just... so unbelievable. What did you go to him for? What expertise? Whatever. Bunch of cheats.

[Klaudandus]

Well, like I said, if I recall correctly, the crux of your argument was the chain of custody, the personnel in charge of taking the sample, and the manner it is collected.

[Klaudandus]

Colin Cowherd and Curt Schilling discuss Braun, A-Rod and Biogenesis or whatever it was called
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=8921054&s=espn

[Shoju]

Well, like I said, if I recall correctly, the crux of your argument was the chain of custody, the personnel in charge of taking the sample, and the manner it is collected.

Which, I still stand by being a very serious thing. Chain of Custody is the integrity of the system, but I'm not going to get back into that again.

But this? Ugh. This is ridiculous. I just can't believe that this is someone he went to for help on chain of custody. This guy has no expertise in chain of custody, and is little more than a pill peddler.

It's hard to be a realistic sports fan right now, and tell your kids that drugs are bad. How do you explain to a 16 year old gunning for a starting varsity CF spot that doing it "clean" is the right way, when there is so much evidence piling up that shows the best and brightest stars in the game have been anything but clean for longer than the kid has been alive?

How does his coach tell his team that? I hate using the "Think of the kids!" type of lines, but man... This is tough. My son wants to be the Starting CF on Varsity this year. He's got the speed, but he's lacking in arm strength a little, and he could use some more pop at the plate.

If it wasn't for his mother, I'd be really worried about him taking PED's to gain that edge. Thankfully, her junkie lifestyle for the better part of 6 years has made him phobic to take too much Nyquil, let alone anything else. I guess the old adage is true "You're never truly worthless, you can always be used as a bad example"