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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Nikachelle » Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:24 pm

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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Skye1013 » Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:14 pm

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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:27 pm

http://www.federalnewsradio.com/394/322 ... x-partners

Just not the main ones, like health and housing... Blame DOMA
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Skye1013 » Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:59 am

"We want to make the public see that we love the homosexuals, but we don't think it's right nor should it be accepted"

Er... wait... what? Seems to me they completely skipped the oxy part and went straight on to moron.

I like this quote on the matter:
Dan Savage wrote:Let's pause here for a moment to feel the love. Because nothing says "love" quite as clearly as "you're not wanted and God hates you."
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Skye1013 » Thu Feb 14, 2013 5:34 pm

"me no gay, me friends gay, me no like you call me gay, you dumb dumb" -bldavis
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Skye1013 » Thu Feb 14, 2013 5:42 pm

I suppose now would be a good time to learn how to absentee vote (assuming it's brought to public voting...)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/1 ... ostpopular
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Darielle » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:06 pm

Is there a reason that "world map" cuts off at half the world ish?
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Skye1013 » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:13 pm

Honestly not sure, I didn't create it, just copied it from the link I posted.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby fuzzygeek » Thu Feb 14, 2013 7:54 pm

Darielle wrote:Is there a reason that "world map" cuts off at half the world ish?


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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Levantine » Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:16 pm

Darielle wrote:Is there a reason that "world map" cuts off at half the world ish?

>implying any of the countries on the eastern half of the map e progressive enough to have gay marriage.*

*well maybe nz. I'm actually not sure if they do but I think I remember something about them being cool with it.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Nooska » Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:16 am

Also, the map is wrong.

Gay marriage (as in the legal and civil workings) have been allowed in Denmark since.. somewhere in the 90's - the change is that it was rendered legal for the church to carry out unions - which they had been prohibited from doing by an old law that was recently changed so the church could make up its own mind on blessing+union instead of having to get the union done civilly and then get the churchs blessing.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Feb 21, 2013 2:17 pm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/2 ... 28104.html
"We were kicked out last year and nothing has changed and we wont be at CPAC," GOProud's Jimmy LaSalvia said in an interview. "The last communication I've had from them is that we were kicked out. Nothing has changed."

Why the heck are these guys still republicans when their own party doesn't want them?
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Shoju » Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:24 pm

Klaudandus wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/20/goproud-cpac-2013-log-cabin-republicans_n_2728104.html
"We were kicked out last year and nothing has changed and we wont be at CPAC," GOProud's Jimmy LaSalvia said in an interview. "The last communication I've had from them is that we were kicked out. Nothing has changed."

Why the heck are these guys still republicans when their own party doesn't want them?


But like a lot of conservatives and libertarians I know, I will do so with much less enthusiasm than I did a few years back in part because the impression CPAC is giving off, and doing too little to alter in my opinion, is that it's not really keeping pace as the conservative movement modernizes.


Modernizes. Now, with the meaning of "dragging everyone back to the 50's".

Seriously> I don't understand what the hell is wrong with these people. Do they have their heads so far in the sand that they don't realize that their stance on Gays, women, and racial minorities COST THEM THE @#(*%&-ING ELECTION?

What is it going to take? Losing it again in 2016?

What the gay community should do, is find a moderate "leaning?" small party that supports gay rights. And they should be "the Gay Party". Have them start running geographically in places that poll well for the LGBT community, and start pushing it. Get them into offices (congress, state house of reps, etc...) and push through the legislation. The Tea Partiers were running on just "no taxes" and paranoia. I have to believe if a group ran solely with their gay rights plank as the loudest, they could start winning some seats.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Fridmarr » Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:39 pm

Shoju wrote:Modernizes. Now, with the meaning of "dragging everyone back to the 50's".


I think you are misunderstanding her comment.

She's saying that the GOP isn't keeping up with modern conservative principles, that the GOP's position on gay marriage is evidence of that lack of modernization. It's not the conservative position that takes us back to the 50s, just the GOP's position. 

Like me, she is trying pointing out a difference between the GOP and conservatives like libertarians who were OK with gay marriage long before the Democrats.
 
 
 
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Lieris » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:36 am

The equal marriage bill in the UK passed its second hearing last month and the Conservative Party supporters are still having kittens over it because their leader (our PM) and nearly the entire cabinet supported it. UKIP, the far right party modeled on the American tea party, is gobbling up lots of disaffected conservative voters because they are against it (despite supposedly being a libertarian party!) which will massively split the right wing vote.

As always, populist tabloid politics and scaring the shit out of people is always a vote winner and by trying to modernise itself by moving away from some of this stuff, the Conservative Party is hemorrhaging support. Amusing but tragic.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Fridmarr » Sat Mar 02, 2013 5:21 pm

We may be seeing some action here by the courts soon as well. I've read a couple of recent articles speculating the results. The articles don't paint a rosey picture but I suspect they're sandbagging. They seem to be suggesting Kennedy as the swing vote (he often is), and point out that his prior comments which seem promising don't necessarily mean he'll come out in favor of gay marriage.

I guess that last point is probably accurate, but I really don't think it'll be that close. I could easily see a 2 vote margin, and more wouldn't surprise me. The only thorn I see is the "states rights" issue, but I think that's a shit copout at this point.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby KysenMurrin » Mon Mar 04, 2013 3:33 pm

Sounds like they're running out of arguments to oppose it with.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Lieris » Mon Mar 04, 2013 3:48 pm

How do these people manage to get up in the morning without drowning themselves in the toilet. It's like they are characters in a satirical political programme written by Chris Morris.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Zobel » Mon Mar 04, 2013 4:29 pm

KysenMurrin wrote:Sounds like they're running out of arguments to oppose it with.

That was the winning argument in Hernandez v. Robles, so it's no surprise that marriage opponents are rehashing it now.

It fetishizes the one biological difference between same-sex couples and other-sex couples as not only relevant but indispensible. It's a fundamentally stupid argument, but it's one with an actual judicial pedigree.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Skye1013 » Mon Mar 04, 2013 11:09 pm

Klaudandus wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/argument-against-gay-marriage-california-hinges-accidental-pregnancies-095158941--election.html

*facedesk*

Do pro-lifers support same-sex marriage? As it's a guaranteed way to avoid abortion (short of medical complications) since same-sex couples can't accidentally get pregnant...
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Kanta » Tue Mar 05, 2013 3:40 am

There's a pretty big flaw in that line of logic. The same-sex couple that gets married has exactly the same chance to get accidentally pregnant as they had prior to marriage. The ability to marry doesn't change this. If I were married to another man, that wouldn't necessarily preclude me from cheating on my husband with a female. Of course, this does assume either bisexual or at least experimental willingness, but nonetheless it's not guaranteed.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Nooska » Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:32 am

Well that argument goes both ways. Accidental pregnancy isn't any greater (or lesser) risk if my GF and I got married, than it is now where we are not, also neither eventuality precludes me from going out and cheating and getting some other girl (I don't feel old enough to call them women, sorry "girls") pregnant.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Skye1013 » Tue Mar 05, 2013 4:14 pm

Kanta wrote:There's a pretty big flaw in that line of logic. The same-sex couple that gets married has exactly the same chance to get accidentally pregnant as they had prior to marriage. The ability to marry doesn't change this. If I were married to another man, that wouldn't necessarily preclude me from cheating on my husband with a female. Of course, this does assume either bisexual or at least experimental willingness, but nonetheless it's not guaranteed.

Wasn't saying it was a good argument... I was just trying to come up with something just as stupid as what anti-gay marriage people come up with.
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