patch 5.2 ?

[Nooska]

And what started the "we don't have class devs" (anymore).

[KysenMurrin]

They've been saying they don't have class devs for years, and yet that happened just on the last content patch...

[Sagara]

Wait... you mean they actually listened to the community?!??!!1?

/endoftheworld

Even money says they had that same idea on their checklist, and used our own opinions to help weight in their own math.

[Teranoid]

Wait... you mean they actually listened to the community?!??!!1?

/endoftheworld

Of course they do. Look at the clusterfuck called Cataclysm.

[benebarba]

Wait... you mean they actually listened to the community?!??!!1?

/endoftheworld

Of course they do. Look at the clusterfuck called Cataclysm.

"Oh, we thought you wanted harder. We understand what you mean now."

and thus daily rep grinds returned

[Sagara]

I think we are the textbook definition of Unpleasable Fanbase.

[benebarba]

I think we are the textbook definition of Unpleasable Fanbase.

Seriously - and I think a shining example of why 'listening to the community' isn't always a great idea: 'the community' is an uneven distribution of a variety of opinions, some valid, some ridiculous, and some variable as the weather in Chicago. And most don't really seem to have a grounding to help differentiate in their heads 'things I want' and 'things I want that would make the game better for everyone', let alone the ability to present it well.

[Teranoid]

I think we are the textbook definition of Unpleasable Fanbase.

Seriously - and I think a shining example of why 'listening to the community' isn't always a great idea: 'the community' is an uneven distribution of a variety of opinions, some valid, some ridiculous, and some variable as the weather in Chicago. And most don't really seem to have a grounding to help differentiate in their heads 'things I want' and 'things I want that would make the game better for everyone', let alone the ability to present it well.

The official forums should be evidence enough that listening to your playerbase is a stones throw from financial suicide.

[benebarba]

I think we are the textbook definition of Unpleasable Fanbase.

Seriously - and I think a shining example of why 'listening to the community' isn't always a great idea: 'the community' is an uneven distribution of a variety of opinions, some valid, some ridiculous, and some variable as the weather in Chicago. And most don't really seem to have a grounding to help differentiate in their heads 'things I want' and 'things I want that would make the game better for everyone', let alone the ability to present it well.

The official forums should be evidence enough that listening to your playerbase is a stones throw from financial suicide.

And I think they know that, and it's the CM's job to 'keep up appearances', since most people really probably wouldn't like the more honest answer of: 'We've read your commentary, figured out what it was you were trying to spell, realized you have no clue what you are talking about and ignored it for the good of humanity.'

[halabar]

I think we are the textbook definition of Unpleasable Fanbase.

No, the worst case is the Petopia forums, where the fan girls go emo because their favorite beastie isn't tameable yet, or because a certain pet skin had a color change. I swear some of those people cut themselves after each ptr patch.

[Skye1013]

'We've read your commentary, figured out what it was you were trying to spell, realized you have no clue what you are talking about and ignored it for the good of humanity.'

Like it or not... this should be 90% of the blues posts (with the 10% still being about the same number as there is now... this has the added effect of people not being able to complain about never seeing blue posts!)

[Nooska]

So simple solution, hire a CM whose only job it is to read posts and post this whenever the idea is.. wlel in that category.

Any volounteers? Qualifications;
Must enjoy soulcrushing.
Must be immune to fire.
Must be able to vary the rejection language.

Plusses:
Ability to snark.
Ability to use sarcasm in non-obvious ways
Ability to let people down harshly.

Applications @mikemorhaime cc @CM_Zarhym

[Sagara]

Isn't Draztal the resident snarker EU side?

[Nooska]

Well its a job with blizzard, and acording to the daily blink Zarhym is the skull behind the company

[Flex]

So simple solution, hire a CM whose only job it is to read posts and post this whenever the idea is.. wlel in that category.

Any volounteers? Qualifications;
Must enjoy soulcrushing.
Must be immune to fire.
Must be able to vary the rejection language.

Plusses:
Ability to snark.
Ability to use sarcasm in non-obvious ways
Ability to let people down harshly.

Applications @mikemorhaime cc @CM_Zarhym

tseric already quit...

as an aside based on feedback from this cycle that a lot of PvP changed have greater influence from trusted player sources than PvE changes.

[Klaudandus]

So simple solution, hire a CM whose only job it is to read posts and post this whenever the idea is.. wlel in that category.

Any volounteers? Qualifications;
Must enjoy soulcrushing.
Must be immune to fire.
Must be able to vary the rejection language.

Plusses:
Ability to snark.
Ability to use sarcasm in non-obvious ways
Ability to let people down harshly.

Applications @mikemorhaime cc @CM_Zarhym

tseric already quit...

as an aside based on feedback from this cycle that a lot of PvP changed have greater influence from trusted player sources than PvE changes.

Tseric told everyone to shove it

[KysenMurrin]

Shield of the Righteous Instantly slam the target with your shield, causing [ 836 + 61.7% of AP ] Holy damage, reducing the physical damage you take by 30% [ 30 ] [Min 30, Max 80]% for 3 sec, and causing Bastion of Glory. Bastion of Glory Increases the strength of your Word of Glory when used to heal yourself by 10%. Stacks up to 5 times. Paladin - Protection Spec. 3 Holy Power. Melee range. Instant. 1.5 sec cooldown.

ShoR damage reduction caps at 80%.

[Klaudandus]

Shield of the Righteous Instantly slam the target with your shield, causing [ 836 + 61.7% of AP ] Holy damage, reducing the physical damage you take by 30% [ 30 ] [Min 30, Max 80]% for 3 sec, and causing Bastion of Glory. Bastion of Glory Increases the strength of your Word of Glory when used to heal yourself by 10%. Stacks up to 5 times. Paladin - Protection Spec. 3 Holy Power. Melee range. Instant. 1.5 sec cooldown.

ShoR damage reduction caps at 80%.

At least it gives a theoretical ceiling on how much mastery we can hoard before its wasted. Iow, mastery is worth this much before x and this much after x

[Flex]

interesting:

Level 90 players that use Dungeon Finder to look for a random Dungeon or Scenario will receive additional bonus Valor Points upon completing specific Dungeons or Scenarios.
Dungeons
Siege of Niuzao Temple: 5 bonus Valor Points
Scholomance: 10 bonus Valor Points
Shadow-Pan Monastery: 15 bonus Valor Points

I do get a lot of players dropping from those dungeons. Interesting to see how they try to counter it.

[Klaudandus]

interesting:

Level 90 players that use Dungeon Finder to look for a random Dungeon or Scenario will receive additional bonus Valor Points upon completing specific Dungeons or Scenarios.
Dungeons
Siege of Niuzao Temple: 5 bonus Valor Points
Scholomance: 10 bonus Valor Points
Shadow-Pan Monastery: 15 bonus Valor Points

I do get a lot of players dropping from those dungeons. Interesting to see how they try to counter it.

I hate shado pan, even worse when after finishing it, i get it again.

[KysenMurrin]

Shado-Pan's always seemed quicker than Scholomance, to me.

[Flex]

Shado-Pan's always seemed quicker than Scholomance, to me.

People drop SPM after Snowdrift if the tank gear doesn't drop.
People drop Scholomance...not sure, don't think I've had people drop from there.
People drop form Siege after no tank pants drop.

[fuzzygeek]

SPM's been an instant-drop for me for months. It is way the fuck too long -- they really should have split it in half. The additional VP is probably enough to entice me to actually do it instead of dropping and surfing reddit for 30m while the debuff falls off, but I'm going to have to time it next time.

[Flex]

SPM's been an instant-drop for me for months. It is way the fuck too long -- they really should have split it in half. The additional VP is probably enough to entice me to actually do it instead of dropping and surfing reddit for 30m while the debuff falls off, but I'm going to have to time it next time.

That's not what this change is.

This change makes it so if you do a random heroic then queue for one of those 3 specific ones you get bonus VP for completing it instead of bailing after the boss drops/doesn't drop what you want.

[Zalaria]

SPM's been an instant-drop for me for months. It is way the fuck too long -- they really should have split it in half. The additional VP is probably enough to entice me to actually do it instead of dropping and surfing reddit for 30m while the debuff falls off, but I'm going to have to time it next time.

That's not what this change is.

This change makes it so if you do a random heroic then queue for one of those 3 specific ones you get bonus VP for completing it instead of bailing after the boss drops/doesn't drop what you want.

That's not how I read it. It reads to me like "if you random into one of these, we'll give you a bonus for finishing it".