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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby bldavis » Mon Feb 04, 2013 3:07 pm

for me its more about the aesthetic of being a worgen
i mean think about it, something sneaks up on you, and even IF you hear it, instead of stabbing you in the back, they will just rip your face off instead
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Arnock » Mon Feb 04, 2013 7:52 pm

Spent well over an hour talking to apple support today, trying to find a way to prevent iOS from automatically downloading OS updates.

Two different levels of support staff told me that that "wasn't possible" because "iOS can't download updates like that," before someone finally asked an engineer and I was told that it was a feature and couldn't be disabled >.<
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby halabar » Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:54 pm

So, spent Superbowl Sunday in urgent care and the ER, and today had my gall bladder carved out. At least the surgery was successful.

Topper: I finally bought a new TV on Saturday so I could watch the game. >.>
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Skye1013 » Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:35 pm

RE: Rogues - I stopped playing mine when I was able to switch to a DK. I hated that after a certain point, soloing/duoing with a rogue became damn near impossible (duo friend was using a resto druid.) DKs allowed me to fill my desire to play a dual-wielding class that could tank and dps, while still being able to solo/duo. The only thing I missed about using a DK over a rogue was the loss of stealth. Sure, DKs didn't have the CC capabilities of a rogue, but that was largely moot during LK. Additionally, they've made enough changes to the rogue playstyle that I hated having to bounce between specs just to be competitive. All of the "fun" talents (for me) were in Subtlety, but Assassination was the dps spec (outside of HAT rogues for a while.) Combat was what I primarily played, because I didn't like being restricted to daggers either.

As for how a rogue currently plays? NFC... I barely got my rogue up to 83 during Cata, and he still sits there.

RE: Priests - I enjoy my priest, though I did notice during our last raid, I wasn't #1 dps in our group (even for multi-target.) That could just as easily be the fact I haven't logged in except to raid (so haven't even opened OSW dailies or completed the 3 factions I need to complete to be currently finished with MoP reps.) Half of my gear is still blue and despite that, I'm still within the top 3 most fights (granted... it's not "real" raiding, so we only have 5-6 dps.)

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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby culhag » Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:02 am

Arnock wrote:Spent well over an hour talking to apple support today, trying to find a way to prevent iOS from automatically downloading OS updates.

My iPhone always asked me if I wanted the updates. I didn't upgrade to iOS 6.0 until the Google Maps app was out.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:10 am

halabar wrote:So, spent Superbowl Sunday in urgent care and the ER, and today had my gall bladder carved out. At least the surgery was successful.

Topper: I finally bought a new TV on Saturday so I could watch the game. >.>


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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby econ21 » Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:51 am

Klaudandus wrote:wow.joystiq.com/2012/10/10/encrypted-text-combo-points-chi-and-your-slow-rogue/

This might be why rogues are on decline...


I know nothing about monks, but that article exactly describes my frustration with my rogue alt. Years ago, when I watched my son playing a rogue, he was always frantically clicking his left mouse button. I thought that meant that rogues would be a fast paced "twitch" class, rather like - but more so - the old protection warrior that was my first alt. (Hence I stayed away from the class, being old and slow.)

Having leveled up a rogue, I was quickly disabused of that notion. My son recently explained he clicked frantically in the hope that one of those clicks would come at a time when his rogue actually had enough energy to do a special move - most of the clicks were redundant, he just wanted to minimise the downtime between his special moves.

I feel the class is energy starved. Most of the time, you don't even have the energy to spam your combo point builder (sinister strike or whatever). You have to sit and twiddle your thumbs. Or start clickly frantically, as I've started doing in imitation of my son. It's actually really slow paced - like watching water trickling into a jar.

I don't have much to compare it with, as it's my only dps character of not. But with tanks, the rage or HoPo etc are now nicely balanced - you could say generously balanced, so that we can keep using our basic abilities every GCD or so. (And when resources were not nicely balanced, it was awful - the rage starved prot warrior in a bad Zul Aman pull or the protadin who had to drink between pulls at some points in BC.) I only have one healer, but managing mana is fun - it requires some thought but is not punitive. Energy with rogues is just not fun. It gets better as you get more gear (haste) but still, I think Blizzard should be as generous with rogue energy as they are with tank resources or healer mana.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:46 am

And from what i hear about the class from anne and alex comments is also that a bunch of the rogue damage comes from passive sources and that many of the abilities seem lackluster
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Sagara » Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:02 am

Yeah, I had a strange experience this weekend. Leveling as assa, I was constantly frustrated that I couldn't do my rotation properly because things kept dying too fast in dungeons. Recount was broken, so I had no numbers, but I was so frustrated at not being able to pull off more than 4-5 combo points' worth of finishers, it felt I was the pathetic dead last, despite multiple heirlooms.

Then I said "f*ck it" and reinstalled my Recount. First, first, second (on AoE trash, behind the tank), WAY AHEAD first (on boss). A bit dumbfounded, I checked Recount's damage spread - 1st: Melee, 2nd: Deadly poison. 40% of my damage coming from those two.

I also just checked a rogue guildie, who's at a whopping 64% damage out of poisons and melee. OUCH. Mutilate is trailing at 10%, Envenom at 9.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby KysenMurrin » Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:17 am

Seems like they might need a revamp of their damage distribution. When Enhancement was improved for Cata they moved Static Shock procs from melee attacks onto specials, and buffed the damage of the specials. There's still a lot of passive, but it's not the majority.

I've only played Combat and Sub as Rogue, and never at high levels, but I did find it odd that Sub loads so much damage onto combo-point builders, and both specs spend a lot of time on buff maintenance.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby benebarba » Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:43 am

KysenMurrin wrote:Seems like they might need a revamp of their damage distribution. When Enhancement was improved for Cata they moved Static Shock procs from melee attacks onto specials, and buffed the damage of the specials. There's still a lot of passive, but it's not the majority.

I've only played Combat and Sub as Rogue, and never at high levels, but I did find it odd that Sub loads so much damage onto combo-point builders, and both specs spend a lot of time on buff maintenance.



At first playing a sub rogue helped me adapt to holy power on my pally. Now combo points tied to a target seem quaint.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Sagara » Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:58 am

benebarba wrote:At first playing a sub rogue helped me adapt to holy power on my pally. Now combo points tied to a target seem quaint.


It's nice to refresh SnD for the coming Envenom on the next target!
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Flex » Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:48 am

KysenMurrin wrote:I've only played Combat and Sub as Rogue, and never at high levels, but I did find it odd that Sub loads so much damage onto combo-point builders, and both specs spend a lot of time on buff maintenance.


Combat's design for a long time now has been smart use of cooldowns tied to buffs to lay on damage.

But mostly the issue that people complain about is that ratings decay at the start of every expansion makes rogues feel weak due to fewer APM as they don't have the haste that they had in final tier raid gear.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby bldavis » Tue Feb 05, 2013 1:41 pm

for most classes it is simply lower numbers, running out of mana sooner etc, but with rogues (and feral druids i am guessing, i havent played mine enough, but one of them will be next to be leveled) the loss of haste completely shuts down the flow you had, and can, at least seem like, half your energy regen rate
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby KysenMurrin » Tue Feb 05, 2013 3:19 pm

So I've been noticing for a while now that I don't seem to fly as far as I should if I point myself where I want to go, hit auto-run, then alt tab. I finally did some digging on forum posts, and turns out I'm not just imagining things: The game now stops your character moving after 20 seconds if you alt-tab from full screen mode. And starts moving again when you tab back, so the only clue it's happened is the lack of progress you've made. Arg. Guess I need to get in the habit of briefly tabbing back every 20 seconds on long journeys...
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby djlar » Tue Feb 05, 2013 3:28 pm

Yeah I think rogues are being abandoned, even mine, switched from muti to combat to change it a little, combat is so bad at DPS now, only 2 target fights are good (Garalon, perhaps Amber shaper for a short time on phase 1).

Then I dinged an spriest to 90 and find out they are going to be nerfed.. arrgh!

I better stick with either my ele shaman or destro lock in the meantime..
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby halabar » Tue Feb 05, 2013 3:57 pm

djlar wrote:Yeah I think rogues are being abandoned, even mine, switched from muti to combat to change it a little, combat is so bad at DPS now, only 2 target fights are good (Garalon, perhaps Amber shaper for a short time on phase 1).

Then I dinged an spriest to 90 and find out they are going to be nerfed.. arrgh!

I better stick with either my ele shaman or destro lock in the meantime..


The nerf with shadow is only to healing. The DP change was reverted in today's build, and that actually might have been a buff, which is why they likely reverted it.

Spriests are still muddling in the middle at best on solo target fights, but they aren't as bad as some other classes.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby halabar » Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:35 pm

The dietary requirements after having you gall bladder carved out are going to get really old really fast.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby bldavis » Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:24 pm

could be worse...could have to be on a gluten free diet
it is amazing how much shit has gluten in it
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Arnock » Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:22 pm

culhag wrote:
Arnock wrote:Spent well over an hour talking to apple support today, trying to find a way to prevent iOS from automatically downloading OS updates.

My iPhone always asked me if I wanted the updates. I didn't upgrade to iOS 6.0 until the Google Maps app was out.



It asks if you want to install.

Over wifi, it downloads and prepares the update to install, or at least it's doing so for 6.0.1 to 6.1.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:31 pm

- Tell boss yer taking afternoon off due to sickness (migraine)
- boss gives the a-ok
- take sleep-inducing drugs and painkillers to ride off the migraine
- boss calls 2 hrs later to tell me I just got new work at a campus, waking me up in the process
- ask boss how urgent the wos are
- get told the work orders are not really urgent

Seriously? That could have waited till... I dunno, tomorrow!?

Now I am awake, really cranky and my migraine is still here...
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby masterpoobaa » Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:16 pm

Klaudandus wrote:- Tell boss yer taking afternoon off due to sickness (migraine)
- boss gives the a-ok
- take sleep-inducing drugs and painkillers to ride off the migraine
- boss calls 2 hrs later to tell me I just got new work at a campus, waking me up in the process
- ask boss how urgent the wos are
- get told the work orders are not really urgent

Seriously? That could have waited till... I dunno, tomorrow!?

Now I am awake, really cranky and my migraine is still here...


Solution:
Call in sick tomorrow, turn off phone.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Newsom » Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:35 am

KysenMurrin wrote:So I've been noticing for a while now that I don't seem to fly as far as I should if I point myself where I want to go, hit auto-run, then alt tab. I finally did some digging on forum posts, and turns out I'm not just imagining things: The game now stops your character moving after 20 seconds if you alt-tab from full screen mode. And starts moving again when you tab back, so the only clue it's happened is the lack of progress you've made. Arg. Guess I need to get in the habit of briefly tabbing back every 20 seconds on long journeys...


Try windowed mode (fullscreen). Doesn't happen for me there.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby KysenMurrin » Thu Feb 07, 2013 3:28 am

Running in windowed makes my mouse cursor flicker constantly. Something to do with Microsoft Intellipoint, I think.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby honorshammer » Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:27 am

I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this, but this is my current frustration.

We are cancelling raid nights for lack of people. We've tried recruiting, but we're really behind the curve (6/6 1/6 0/4). We only raid 2 to 2-1/2 hours per night 2 nights a week, and some of our team can only do one night. Our core has been together forever (we formed during BC doing Karazhan). I left them for a short time in BC to do 25 man raiding (there was no 10 man option at the time). I've promised myself I wouldn't leave them again.

I know my raid leader is doing everything in his power to fill out our team, but he can’t make people join up. He can't make them log in at raid time. I know our raid leader has to be getting frustrated too.

I’m not really sure what to do other than to just keep plugging away at it.
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