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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby benebarba » Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:13 pm

Darielle wrote:The weapons even have Sha Sockets in them, the same icons and the same stats. Everything is a placeholder for now.


Considering they are going to continue to let you buy the gems and the sockets (at least AFAIK)... I hardly see how that is an indication that those aren't likely to be the pieces.
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby Fetzie » Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:15 pm

benebarba wrote:
Darielle wrote:The weapons even have Sha Sockets in them, the same icons and the same stats. Everything is a placeholder for now.


Considering they are going to continue to let you buy the gems and the sockets (at least AFAIK)... I hardly see how that is an indication that those aren't likely to be the pieces.


See here: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7763316421#8

You're really best off sticking to information actually contained in our patch notes or other official channels of communication if you're looking to avoid confusion.

There are no more Sha-Touched weapons forthcoming. If you've been diligent about helping Wrathion and continue to do so, your reward in 5.2 is going to be a legendary meta-gem that can go in any helmet.
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby benebarba » Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:37 pm

Fetzie wrote:
benebarba wrote:
Darielle wrote:The weapons even have Sha Sockets in them, the same icons and the same stats. Everything is a placeholder for now.


Considering they are going to continue to let you buy the gems and the sockets (at least AFAIK)... I hardly see how that is an indication that those aren't likely to be the pieces.


See here: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7763316421#8

You're really best off sticking to information actually contained in our patch notes or other official channels of communication if you're looking to avoid confusion.

There are no more Sha-Touched weapons forthcoming. If you've been diligent about helping Wrathion and continue to do so, your reward in 5.2 is going to be a legendary meta-gem that can go in any helmet.


heh - disregard previous post :P
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby benebarba » Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:35 am

I did end up reading some more of the posts in that thread... I can kind of understand some of the sentiment of 'WTF, yo, I did this thing late in the patch, then got a weapon upgrade and unless I finish the next part, it's like I never did anything?'. But I imagine most folks will end up holding onto their sha-touched weapon with all the shinies for a fair bit of time. Going from 489 to 502 (LFR->LFR upgrade) doesn't seem like it is likely to make up for a +500 primary (other than stam) and a prismatic socket.

Am I missing something? It seems like you'd need to go from an LFR sha-touched weapon fully upgraded (gem + socket, not VP upgrade) to something like a heroic weapon from 5.2 to make up for that... which I imagine is a fairly unlikely scenario.
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby Gab » Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:29 am

benebarba wrote:Am I missing something?


I don't know how highly all classes vaule weapon ilvl. But keep in mind that the spell power contribution for casters/healers and the weapon dps contribution for physical dps is usually weighted a lot higher than other stats.

For example my personal ret sims had 502 Starshatter > 496 Shin'ka w/ Crystalized Terror. It's only now, with the addition of the prismatic socket that Shin'ka eeks out a very small dps increase over the Starshatter.

So an LFR Sha touched (483) with a Sha touched gem AND prismatic socket will almost certainly be replaced by the new 502 LFR weapons afaik. At least for ret, although I imagine that will be the case with most classes. A double upgraded Sha touched (491) might be a little closer for some classes.
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:40 am

Some classes are very dependent on weapon damage, not just AP, for their abilities...

Even us, to some degree...

Cons is just AP...cs and hotr are based on weapon damage + AP
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby Darielle » Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:15 pm

It also depends on where your stats take you. If you're a Feral for whom Haste stacking wins out at a point in time (more Shredding), your weapon means more than if Mastery stacking is the game (increased bleed damage don't care about weapons)
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby Jaitee » Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:30 am

Darielle wrote:It also depends on where your stats take you. If you're a Feral for whom Haste stacking wins out at a point in time (more Shredding), your weapon means more than if Mastery stacking is the game (increased bleed damage don't care about weapons)


dont ferals get a large portion of their AP from "feral attack power" which is based completely on weapon damage or dps? so better weapon = more AP = bigger bleeds
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby Worldie » Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:40 am

That was 2 expansions ago :P
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby Fetzie » Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:30 am

Feral Druids now get their weapon damage from the average dps of the weapon equipped (gets normalised to a 1 second swing time) or something like taht.
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby Darielle » Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:44 am

Ferals lost the ability to FAP a long time back.
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby Fetzie » Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:09 am

Darielle wrote:Ferals lost the ability to FAP a long time back.

I see what you did there :)
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby Flex » Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:37 am

http://ptr.wowdb.com/items/95509-mantid ... ic-locator makes me almost as happy as new battle pets.
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby Shoju » Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:03 pm

I can't help but notice that the Wrathion line isn't exactly "Stimulating" for rewards to a tank. I guess the Sha Gem would give you a fair amount of parry, but with the changes to the metas, who in the world would bother using one of those now to tank with?
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby Flex » Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:10 pm

Shoju wrote:I can't help but notice that the Wrathion line isn't exactly "Stimulating" for rewards to a tank. I guess the Sha Gem would give you a fair amount of parry, but with the changes to the metas, who in the world would bother using one of those now to tank with?


http://ptr.wowdb.com/items/95344-indomi ... al-diamond seems pretty okay. The DPS ones were changed from stamina to a DPS, the tank one didn't get changed.
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