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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Koatanga » Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:06 am

Torquemada wrote:I'm seriously reconsidering my stances on abortion based on this cretin. I used to support it being legal as a necessary but distasteful evil. Now I'm starting to think that maybe it is a good idea for some people.

Unfortunately there is no in-utero test for stupidity.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:19 am

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby bldavis » Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:17 pm

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Koatanga » Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:55 pm

Torquemada wrote:It's only fair that liberals have their fair share of mouth breathers, too

Yeah but we don't elect ours :) (usually...)
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:13 pm

Koatanga wrote:
Torquemada wrote:It's only fair that liberals have their fair share of mouth breathers, too

Yeah but we don't elect ours :) (usually...)

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Koatanga » Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:43 pm

http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2020190533_driscollobamaxml.html?prmid=obindomain

So apparently some hot shot minister questions Obama's religious beliefs. This coming from a Christian who supported a Mormon who had no interest in feeding the hungry or healing the sick or housing the homeless or doing anything resembling anything the New Testament stands for.

"first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye"
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:48 pm

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Sagara » Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:03 pm

Koatanga wrote:http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2020190533_driscollobamaxml.html?prmid=obindomain

So apparently some hot shot minister questions Obama's religious beliefs. This coming from a Christian who supported a Mormon who had no interest in feeding the hungry or healing the sick or housing the homeless or doing anything resembling anything the New Testament stands for.

"first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye"


Plank? That's a case of mistaking the tree for the forest if I've ever seen one!

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Sabindeus » Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:12 pm

Koatanga wrote:
Torquemada wrote:I'm seriously reconsidering my stances on abortion based on this cretin. I used to support it being legal as a necessary but distasteful evil. Now I'm starting to think that maybe it is a good idea for some people.

Unfortunately there is no in-utero test for stupidity.


wait wait... Isn't this obviously a troll?
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:28 pm

Sabindeus wrote:
Koatanga wrote:
Torquemada wrote:I'm seriously reconsidering my stances on abortion based on this cretin. I used to support it being legal as a necessary but distasteful evil. Now I'm starting to think that maybe it is a good idea for some people.

Unfortunately there is no in-utero test for stupidity.


wait wait... Isn't this obviously a troll?


TBH, I was leaning that way originally ... I can't tell if its satire or actual stupidity... going with the latter though because I'm jaded, but if its a troll... then well played.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Fivelives » Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:31 pm

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Amirya » Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:06 pm

I'm with Sabin, to me that reads as complete sarcasm and an obvious troll.

(And to be quite honest, I actually got a laugh out of the idea that anyone born via C-section is ineligible because it's not a natural birth.)
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Torquemada » Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:03 pm

Koatanga wrote:
Torquemada wrote:It's only fair that liberals have their fair share of mouth breathers, too

Yeah but we don't elect ours :) (usually...)


Right. Except for Anthony Weiner, Elliott, Spitzer, Michael Bloomberg, Hank Johnson, Joe Biden, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean, John Edwards, Marion Barry, Chris Dodd, Barney Frank, Charlie Rangel, John Kerry, Elizabeth Warren, Ray Nagin, Kwame Kilpatrick... I'll stop before I have to start looking up names.

To paraphrase Lewis Black, the difference between the Democrats and the Republicans is that the Republicans are currently a party of no ideas, and the Democrats a party of bad ideas. I don't support up to about half the Republican agenda on social issues. And I don't support hardly any of the Democrats mismanagement of fiscal or foreign issues, not to mention domestic policy. I Just personally happen to give more of a shit about fiscal solvency and the price tag for the ACA than I do about social issues. And I'll happily call the duck of Republican stupidity a duck. There just happen to be far more voices here already doing that for me.

For the rest, I won't presume to judge Obama's religion, since there are quite enough religious hypocrites out there. I'm agnostic but I respect and accept that some people are going to base their lives around fiction. However, I'm also pretty tired of people shoving religion into social issues, and my first response to someone telling me the Bible says abortion is wrong is that they probably shouldn't have one.

As for Romney, he and I think alike in that charity begins at home. I'm far more receptive to people's own charitable giving than I having it done by the government. But then, that's because the government is particularly wasteful and not particularly effective. Otherwise we probably would have won the war on poverty or the war on drugs by now.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Koatanga » Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:47 pm

Torquemada wrote:As for Romney, he and I think alike in that charity begins at home. I'm far more receptive to people's own charitable giving than I having it done by the government.


Looks like Romney's charity both begins AND ends at home.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/10/romneys-charitable-trust-not-very-charitable
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Torquemada » Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:24 pm

Koatanga wrote:Looks like Romney's charity both begins AND ends at home.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/10/romneys-charitable-trust-not-very-charitable


I'll see your sensationalist liberal publication that thought Michael Moore was too mainstream and raise you Rupert Murdoch:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/romney_the_giver_7nLMOZGuIo2zq1LmrNInjN

Romney's presidential bid reminded me a lot of McCain, in that he wouldn't put up a fight and was all snake oil and mirrors. I don't know at this point what he truly believed, but I know what he promised to do, and I was willing to believe in a promise of change versus what had previously been delivered. That should probably sound familiar to Obama's campaign this time around.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:24 pm

"When it comes to the issue of background checks, let’s be honest – background checks will never be 'universal' – because criminals will never submit to them"
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Is it just me or does that sound more like "Because is not 100% effective, its not worth implementing"?
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby bldavis » Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:27 pm

isnt the point to limit the sale of guns to the criminals?
so if they dont submit to it, they dont get a gun?
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Amirya » Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:39 pm

The problem with that is I, as a law abiding gun owning citizen, am approached by you, the violent criminal psychopath, because you want to purchase this particular weapon from me in a private sale. It is no different than if you also wanted to purchase my (non-existent) 2002 Honda Accord.

I don't have to do a credit check to sell you my car; I don't have to do a background check to sell you my gun. And frankly, I don't see how the government could make that mandatory for private parties - someone somewhere will scream about invasion of privacy and other such.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Koatanga » Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:00 pm

Amirya wrote:The problem with that is I, as a law abiding gun owning citizen, am approached by you, the violent criminal psychopath, because you want to purchase this particular weapon from me in a private sale. It is no different than if you also wanted to purchase my (non-existent) 2002 Honda Accord.

I don't have to do a credit check to sell you my car; I don't have to do a background check to sell you my gun. And frankly, I don't see how the government could make that mandatory for private parties - someone somewhere will scream about invasion of privacy and other such.

It's much better that they only scream when they find their loved one has been shot to death by a criminal who bought a gun from someone who didn't have to do any background checks.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Skye1013 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:13 pm

Amirya wrote:The problem with that is I, as a law abiding gun owning citizen, am approached by you, the violent criminal psychopath, because you want to purchase this particular weapon from me in a private sale. It is no different than if you also wanted to purchase my (non-existent) 2002 Honda Accord.

I don't have to do a credit check to sell you my car; I don't have to do a background check to sell you my gun. And frankly, I don't see how the government could make that mandatory for private parties - someone somewhere will scream about invasion of privacy and other such.

When it comes to selling your car, don't you still have to go to the registration office (or somewhere) and say "hey, I don't own this car anymore, that guy does."
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Amirya » Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:55 pm

I don't know about the car selling part, my ex had our first one repossessed; my second one I just gave loaned to my little brother. But probably.

Also, don't get me wrong. I do believe in mandatory background checks, and I do believe that private parties should also be required to do them. But at the same time, I do find that a majority of US gun owners are also screaming raving lunatics (note: majority, not all). As an example, I can't fathom a single freakin' reason why civilians should have access to assault weapons, but somehow, that is their "right to defend their home" against the theoretical home invader.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Koatanga » Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:34 pm

Amirya wrote:I don't know about the car selling part, my ex had our first one repossessed; my second one I just gave loaned to my little brother. But probably.

Also, don't get me wrong. I do believe in mandatory background checks, and I do believe that private parties should also be required to do them. But at the same time, I do find that a majority of US gun owners are also screaming raving lunatics (note: majority, not all). As an example, I can't fathom a single freakin' reason why civilians should have access to assault weapons, but somehow, that is their "right to defend their home" against the theoretical home invader.

Because a law-abiding citizen can sell an assault rifle to a criminal without the need of a background check, so criminals have assault rifles, and therefore law-abiding citizens need assault rifles to defend themselves from the criminals they sell assault rifles to.

With the car thing - yes, you do have to file a change of registration for the vehicle, so they know where to send any parking tickets.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Fridmarr » Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:37 pm

Amirya wrote:I don't know about the car selling part, my ex had our first one repossessed; my second one I just gave loaned to my little brother. But probably.

Also, don't get me wrong. I do believe in mandatory background checks, and I do believe that private parties should also be required to do them. But at the same time, I do find that a majority of US gun owners are also screaming raving lunatics (note: majority, not all). As an example, I can't fathom a single freakin' reason why civilians should have access to assault weapons, but somehow, that is their "right to defend their home" against the theoretical home invader.
That's a fairly ridiculous comment though, there's no possible way you have any idea what even an infinitesimally small percentage of gun owners believe, much less the majority.

I grew up in an area where absolutely everyone had guns (usually multiple) and schools were closed on the first day of buck and doe season because no one would go to school on those days anyhow. Yet I knew no one that had or desired an assault rifle. I don't find your categorization accurate.

Also Skye103, the answer to your question is no. You don't have to go get your car registered unless you plan on driving it on public roads. There's no equivalent to public roads for guns. Unfortunately, they require no publicly provided space to work
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Koatanga » Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:44 pm

The buyer doesn't have to register the car, but the seller must file a change-of-ownership form to notify that he is no longer responsible for the vehicle. The "pink slip" needs to be changed to acknowledge the new owner, or he will not be able to sell the car to a third person, and the original owner would be liable for any fines from illegal parking or disposal of the vehicle.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Amirya » Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:48 pm

That would be the difference between "I find" and "this is Truth" isn't it Fridmarr?

I find blondes to be stupid vs Blondes are stupid.

I find redheads to be perpetual drunks vs Redheads are perpetual drunks.

I find males to be in love with pink sparkly butterfly wings and dream of dancing in ballet vs Males want to dance in ballet while wearing pink sparkly butterfly wings.

Those are all ridiculous comments in the eyes of someone, but that doesn't mean that they're true - it would mean that that's my experience with them (which, incidentally, isn't actually the case this time around).
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