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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Flex » Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:05 am

That's not something I'd really expect from that guild.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:09 am

Flex wrote:
Klaudandus wrote:I wonder what's the clearance rate for HoF and ToES -- is it being cleared at a lower pace than 4.0?

To be honest... I felt my raid progressed faster in Cata than it is currently doing in MoP. Part of it is a bunch of real life throwing shit at my guildies, but I'll say this -- IT'S NOT FUN


Our first month and a half of raiding had that entire real life shit plus holidays. I think in the first two months we had one week where we did both nights. Toss in several one offs of people missing days, a new baby eating a week, it has been slow for us but about 70% of it has not really been content difficulty related.


Discounting all the real life and holidays shit, it still feels slower when it comes to boss progression in 5.0 than it did back in 4.0 -- at least for my raid group.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby halabar » Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:18 am

Flex wrote:That's not something I'd really expect from that guild.


Yeah, the impact on the guild has not been good. But the group that left really wanted raid progression. They took enough that I don't think a new raid group can be formed.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Amirya » Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:23 am

I'm being told that apparently, we may need to look for a new tank and a new healer, as the two currents can't manage a single night of raiding with three daughters.

Which, I totally get the kid thing, but at the same time...it's a single night. And it's not a fricken Satanic ritual when they ask to take a 5 minute to put the kids to bed.

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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Gab » Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:25 am

Klaudandus wrote:Discounting all the real life and holidays shit, it still feels slower when it comes to boss progression in 5.0 than it did back in 4.0 -- at least for my raid group.


I'm having trouble remembering anything in 4.0, other than final bosses (Cho'gal, Nef and Al'akir), that had anything close to the throughput checks non final bosses in 5.0 have.

Elegon and Garalon for example.

It just feels weird that Elegon comes before Will but required 10 times the pulls (2 vs 20 something for our group). Also HoF was much more difficult than Terrace. Garalon and Amber Shaper took far more pulls than anything in Terrace.

I think the tuning was a bit wonky for the 5.0 encounters in their expected order. In 4.0 there was also some flexibilty in kill order where 5.0 is completely linear.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:30 am

Also, I wonder what happened with their klaxxi raid buff/debuff they were originally planning. (It was even on the achievements)
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby KysenMurrin » Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:55 am

They changed their minds. It was mentioned by a blue recently somewhere (I forget where) that it is all in place but they haven't seen the need to turn it on.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby theckhd » Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:14 pm

Amirya wrote: And it's not a fricken Satanic ritual when they ask to take a 5 minute to put the kids to bed.

How can you be so sure that they aren't performing a Satanic ritual when they put them to bed? :P
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Nooska » Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:18 pm

On progression of T14 v T11, I'd say its slower. I saw GC congratulate someone on their heroic sha kill of 21 jan - as US 22nd, thats a bit slower than what I remember from T11 (4 months, and only 22nd US)
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby CrimsonEyes » Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:09 pm

I too feel like we moved faster in Cata than we are in Mists. We're only 5/16 right now, though we were really hamstrung by the holidays, and having lost a healer for several months, having to make do with an offspec healer who only really put out (maybe) half the output of the lost healer.

Since that healer's come back, we've actually done serious progression on Elegon and Blade Lord for the first time in months.

But you're right about the throughput checks on bosses. Hour of Twilight had three dance fights (Halfus, the Dragon pair, and the Twilight Council), and then a nasty dance/output fight. Blackwing had a couple dances to start (Magmaw and Omnitronks), then a healing check...something (Chimaeron, a very odd fight), a very interesting dance (Blindy the Magic Dragon), and an add-control dancey fight (Maloriak), and it capped with a major output fight in Nef.

To me, most of the Cata fights, I felt our wipes were on mechanics. Now at least, the two bosses we're stuck on is because of dps not being able to put out the numbers necessary to hammer things. I didn't really feel we hit that stage until Nef and Cho'gall in Cata.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Amirya » Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:09 pm

theckhd wrote:
Amirya wrote: And it's not a fricken Satanic ritual when they ask to take a 5 minute to put the kids to bed.

How can you be so sure that they aren't performing a Satanic ritual when they put them to bed? :P

Wellll...they could be...but here's why I doubt that (at least with the healer).

Whenever we do Feng, I am the one who says, "and after Epicenter, GET OUT OF THE CENTER. DO NOT GET HIT BY THE LIGHTNING." So this past weekend, Feng wound up all skewed, so instead of doing his lightning whatever down the center, he did it off to the side. I almost ran into it, saw it in time, and went the other way.

She ran straight into it (and died). "OMG. I blame Ami, she had me terrified of staying in the center, so I just ran!" :lol:

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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:13 pm

CrimsonEyes wrote:To me, most of the Cata fights, I felt our wipes were on mechanics. Now at least, the two bosses we're stuck on is because of dps not being able to put out the numbers necessary to hammer things. I didn't really feel we hit that stage until Nef and Cho'gall in Cata.


Agreed.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby CrimsonEyes » Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:30 pm

Klaudandus wrote:
CrimsonEyes wrote:To me, most of the Cata fights, I felt our wipes were on mechanics. Now at least, the two bosses we're stuck on is because of dps not being able to put out the numbers necessary to hammer things. I didn't really feel we hit that stage until Nef and Cho'gall in Cata.


Agreed.


I like the cut of your jib.

And that you use the second-best Pony as your avatar.

But in seriousness, we've GOT the mechanics for Elegon now, tanks have the plan, can do the switch, can take the hits, and the dps know to switch, to clear stacks, and etc, and we're doing four stacks of the debuff each sparks phase, dps just aren't outputting enough pain.

Same with Blade Lord, he's falling WAAAY too fast during Phase 1, we've had to use Bloodlust off the start to get him to Phase 2 before we exhaust our free space....and that's not good at ALL. Again, we've got the dance in all areas, just bigger numbers are what's needed.

That very much wasn't the case in first Tier of Cata, where I could easily point to Mechanic X and say 'soon as we stop derping it up on that mechanic, we can DO this!', at least until the very end bosses.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Fetzie » Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:39 pm

Same with Blade Lord, he's falling WAAAY too fast during Phase 1, we've had to use Bloodlust off the start to get him to Phase 2 before we exhaust our free space....and that's not good at ALL. Again, we've got the dance in all areas, just bigger numbers are what's needed.


Isn't that when you are supposed to use bloodlust at Blade Lord? It is the only time in the fight where you can basically sit and cast for 40 straight seconds.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby CrimsonEyes » Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:42 pm

Fetzie wrote:Isn't that when you are supposed to use bloodlust at Blade Lord? It is the only time in the fight where you can basically sit and cast for 40 straight seconds.


I've heard you use it once you get to him the first time in Phase2, so you can push him to move to the next area faster, and reduce the amount of healing the healers have to do.

That was, as I understood it, the ideal. If I'm wrong here, wouldn't be the first time by any means.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Fetzie » Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:44 pm

CrimsonEyes wrote:
Fetzie wrote:Isn't that when you are supposed to use bloodlust at Blade Lord? It is the only time in the fight where you can basically sit and cast for 40 straight seconds.


I've heard you use it once you get to him the first time in Phase2, so you can push him to move to the next area faster, and reduce the amount of healing the healers have to do.

That was, as I understood it, the ideal. If I'm wrong here, wouldn't be the first time by any means.

I've only ever seen it used on the pull.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Flex » Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:57 pm

How does one fix Windows 7 not being able to start the print spooler with an error code 1503. Every solution I have found online is a dirty lie that does not work.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby halabar » Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:10 pm

Klaudandus wrote:
CrimsonEyes wrote:To me, most of the Cata fights, I felt our wipes were on mechanics. Now at least, the two bosses we're stuck on is because of dps not being able to put out the numbers necessary to hammer things. I didn't really feel we hit that stage until Nef and Cho'gall in Cata.


Agreed.


Not to mention that certain classes with more spikey dps have it rough on Elegon as well. My newly former raid team had huge issues there for a few weeks until some gear and some strategy changes evened things out on the sparks.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Flex » Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:14 pm

Our healer who DPSed in mostly heal gear did similar and sometimes better DPS than a hunter.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby benebarba » Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:16 pm

night-day swings (and the associated physical funkiness) as a result of having to cover builds at work. Upside is my boss is totally cool with the fact that most humans can't work all night then all day while still being useful, and so I won't need to be in again until later in the afternoon.

But so far, it's been boring. Which is good - when things get exciting for project management, it seems to always be 'ZOMG, there's fire raining from the sky and it's all your fault' kinda exciting.

I miss science sometimes - at least there excitement had happy yelling. ;)
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby halabar » Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:51 pm

Flex wrote:Our healer who DPSed in mostly heal gear did similar and sometimes better DPS than a hunter.


OP disc that's getting nerfed? Disc would be more reliable on the sparks. Hunter looses a lot from pet movement on that fight.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Kelerei » Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:51 am

Hespherus wrote:
Kelerei wrote:Garalon... *sigh*

It's really frustrating at the moment -- we're doing everything right except actually killing it. :P


Enrage issues?


Yup.

We're raiding tonight again, so if we don't get it down, I'll put up the logs for some healthy constructive criticism. ;)
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Hespherus » Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:51 am

What comp do you use, how many kiters do you use, also order of the kiters, when do you pop hero, normal or HC? Number of stacks you take until you switch?
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Nooska » Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:45 am

halabar wrote:
Flex wrote:Our healer who DPSed in mostly heal gear did similar and sometimes better DPS than a hunter.


OP disc that's getting nerfed? Disc would be more reliable on the sparks. Hunter looses a lot from pet movement on that fight.

Actually, pet moevement can easily be planned around - its more a matter of managing focus, for both hunter and pet (pulling the pet back between sparks so it starts with 120 (BM) focus for guaranteed double damage basic attacks really helps, I could easily do my own spark and assist on one of the other 2 on my side)
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Nooska » Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:47 am

CrimsonEyes wrote:But in seriousness, we've GOT the mechanics for Elegon now, tanks have the plan, can do the switch, can take the hits, and the dps know to switch, to clear stacks, and etc, and we're doing four stacks of the debuff each sparks phase, dps just aren't outputting enough pain.


Try doing 5 and 3 instead. Remember the sparks go faster, so the more sparks you can do the first time around, the more time you have to dps elegion (out of the spark phase) - also, the more sparks you do in the first go, the more increased damage you lod on him in the second P1 (pushing him faster down).

Changing from attempting 4/4 to 5/3 was what got us our first kill, and after we nailed it we could even get a kill on 5/2.
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