patch 5.2 ?

[Klaudandus]

Paladin
- For Protection, we do have plans to try and lower the value of haste relative to dodge and parry. We don't want to make haste terrible for paladins, but we agree that it's odd for it to be better than more traditional tank stats. It might require a nerf to Shield of the Righteous to do this, but our goal is not to nerf survivability overall. We just wanted to provide you some context if you see odd changes to tanking abilities.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic ... age=45#884

It was good while it lasted.

[Sagara]

Oooooh, boy. Let's just hope this works...

[Fetzie]

They've had the info that haste is a totally awesome stat and traditional tank stats kinda suck in comparison for how long now?

[Sagara]

Well, it would have been though for them to change that in 5.1, it was insanely short, and they had to focus on really broken parts. I guess now is the best time to go about fixing the "non-critical" stuff, also considering we won't have to re-do our gearing mid-tier.
It don't blame the timing to be honest. It's more the roller coaster I see down the line without any idea where we'll be landing in the end.

[Klaudandus]

They knew this well before live, and for about the last two months in beta it was just damage tweaking to CS, hotr and the likes... Oh and lvl 90 abilities.

I know cuz I was the guy doing just about all the logs

[Fenris]

/pessimist mode on

They are not going to mess it up in any way..........

/pessimist mode off


Glad i'll have to throw away half of my gear then (not like we'll get new pieces as soon as 5.2 hits the servers)

[Klaudandus]

Now, if we can get Fluttershy and Pinkie Pie, get the Elements of Raiding and use them on DisGCord... maybe we can avoid it from becoming really bad...

[Fenris]

Now, if we can get Fluttershy and Pinkie Pie, get the Elements of Raiding and use them on DisGCord... maybe we can avoid it from becoming really bad...

You forgot

RD

[Klaudandus]

well, bldavis is RD, with aubade as a backup, and halabar is a wildcard, since he has the Mysterious MDW =P

[Sabindeus]

oh god stop the brony-mobile, i want to get off

[bldavis]

holy crap..we really do have almost all the main ponys covered

[Fenris]

oh god stop the brony-mobile, i want to get off

[bldavis]

oh god stop the brony-mobile, i want to get off

he just wishes he was cool enough to be a brony

[Teranoid]

Yeah.. "cool". That's totally the word I'd use to describe it.

[Klaudandus]

Ok, looks like my attempt at humor derailed things a wee bit too far.

While I agree with Sagara about the timing being right for a change, it is still no excuse whatsoever they waited until now to do something about it -- specially since they knew well before this went live.

Like I said before, the last two months of beta were pretty much just adjusting how much damage or heal this or that ability would do, rather than the mechanics of our active mitigation.

Now, I agree with Fenris, we don't know how these changes are gonna leave us going into 5.2 now...

And I have no fucking idea how NERFING SotR would do anything to solve our love for Haste, specially since our love for haste is tied to:
a) Hit and Exp due to our need to NOT MISS our HP generators
b) the double roll on block chance greatly devaluing not just mastery, but avoidance in general.

The only way I can see dodge/parry being somewhat good is if we get somehow a dodge/parry proc to refresh our abilities or something like that, and I still doubt it because we still love Hit/Exp about anything else (at least until we reach the caps)