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Intimidated to return?

Postby Shyrtandros » Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:58 am

So.. I have been gone from WoW now for probably 18 months give or take and recently due to boredom (of course) with the other games I had been playing I've had an interest in stopping back by the old neighborhoods and playing again... however I cannot bring myself to actually do it. Not because I don't WANT to play but because I almost get this feeling like I'll be climbing Mount Everest without any supplies.

I feel intimidated to come back and try to catch up with everyone else when it comes to gear, knowledge, etc..

What are your thoughts, feedback & personal experiences when you have left and returned to a game after such a long absence?
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Re: Intimidated to return?

Postby Mannstein » Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:34 am

hey,
Welcome back m8... speaking from experience with close cooworkers...

Wow is like riding a bike, once you master it, you cannot unlearn it... well unless you take a nasty head injury or Lobotomy, in that case you should stick to bib and LFR.

You know all the things, just get an nice guy that can explain to you the very basic i.e. now abilities generate rage and you spend rage to reduce the damage intake... and you are set to go...
Getting into MoP without being aware of the maps, lore and just chilling can be quite entertainning...

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Re: Intimidated to return?

Postby Arkesh » Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:38 am

Whilst not 18 months, I've just started playing again after an 8 month break. I didn't intend to return but a dream about pandas, an offer on MoP and boredom made me feel the desire to return. I decided that I would start over (almost) completely, I've transferred all my gold and heirlooms to the server I first played on and I've managed to catch up with a lot of the people I first started raiding with. That alone has given me the inspiration I need to carry on leveling my Panda Monk (currently at 62) hopefully right into the new content - leveling pre-80 is something I really despise.

As for game knowledge I'm still ignorant about a lot of the content at 90 but once I approach the level cap I should be a bit more familiar with it having done some normal dungeons and having had more time to ask questions. I'd definitely recommend trying to find some familiar faces and having them at the ready to answer all your questions.

I came back without any intention of raiding, but I'm definitely warming to the idea of 2 nights a week, I do miss the atmosphere of 10 man raids, the League of Legends community just isn't capable of filling that void. For the moment I'm just enjoying the fresh start and I plan to slow down a little bit and enjoy the new leveling content once I get to it, then the fun starts when it comes to gearing up.
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Re: Intimidated to return?

Postby Shyrtandros » Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:02 am

What's the max character count per server now?
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Re: Intimidated to return?

Postby Fetzie » Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:49 am

Shyrtandros wrote:What's the max character count per server now?


Eleven
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Re: Intimidated to return?

Postby Shyrtandros » Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:58 am

Fetzie wrote:
Shyrtandros wrote:What's the max character count per server now?


Eleven


Sheesh.. I was hoping for at least 12. :| room for 1 monk.. minimalists.. lol
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Re: Intimidated to return?

Postby Skye1013 » Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:14 pm

It was 10, then got up'd to 11, so there is room for one of each class. If that's not enough for you, try another server. :P

I'm not sure if they still have an account max of 50 though.
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Re: Intimidated to return?

Postby Koatanga » Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:05 pm

I wouldn't worry about being behind. I would worry more about the structure of the content. You aren't forced at gunpoint, but you are highly encouraged to do a metric crapton of dailies on a daily basis for minuscule amounts of reputation in order to grind the factions that allow you to spend your valor points.

Dungeons are good to get your blue gear and then you're done with them. The valor reward for running randoms is small and you will likely max valor if you keep up on your dailies and LFRs.

I find that dailies take so much time I have little time for alts, which saps a lot of the interest of the game away for me and I end up not even logging in at times. For various reasons I missed my raid days last week (wed/thurs), but I haven't logged in for the past 6 days now, and I don't feel any burning desire to do so until raid time tomorrow.
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Re: Intimidated to return?

Postby masterpoobaa » Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:39 pm

Yeah I think thats what killed WoW for me this expansion.
I raided heavily in BC and WolTK, took time off early-mid Cata, came back casually for late Cata and expected to Go raiding in Panda.
But the massive questing required to get to 90, and then the wall of Dailies after killed my enthusiasm dead.
Im a more of a dungeoneer personally. It would have been nice to get *something* for building rep for doing dungeons.
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Re: Intimidated to return?

Postby Skye1013 » Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:00 pm

If I'm being honest, the only reason I'm still logging in is to raid, once a week. Given the right set of circumstances, I'd probably stop my sub.

But anywho, back to the original topic... I agree with Koatanga that so long as you don't mind doing dailies, getting back into things should be relatively easy.
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Re: Intimidated to return?

Postby halabar » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:12 am

The interesting thing is what would be the "catch up" path for someone, say, coming back in 5.2?

The new LFR loot system effectively serves as a gating function, slowing the gearing of alts, and the reps provide an additional cockblock. I'd love to see Blizz's numbers on the amount of time spent on "alts", I imagine it's slowing way down once people hit 90 and realize how much work it will be to get them geared.
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Re: Intimidated to return?

Postby Worldie » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:44 am

I wouldn't be surprised to see the rep requirement dropped from Valor gear with 5.2 and gear moved to Justice, eventually with new gear available... somehow.
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Re: Intimidated to return?

Postby econ21 » Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:07 am

I took a year out during the launch of wotlk, returning in the ICC period. It was quite daunting, being three tiers behind the curve in terms of gear but by that time, Blizzard had made catching up with gear quite user friendly (compared to the BC era) so it went smoothly.

I would not be deterred. The leveling experience is rather fun - probably better than any before. Getting geared for raiding is quick - as a tank, you get instant queues for heroics and a weekend binge should get you pretty much decked out in 463 gear which is enough to start with. There's not much new to learn about tanking - it sounds so different with active mitigation, haste being a great palatank stat etc. But it still feels very similar to what you are familiar with, only a bit more interesting. LFR is coming into its own now - you can see A LOT of raid content very easily. The real raids are very well done.

The controversial feature is the rep and VP grind. On balance, I like it - it means you have a lot to do if and when you are not raiding. Gearing up is also more incremental, rather than just praying for one tank drop, you have 458=>463=>476=>483=>489=>496=> heroic whatever and that's even before you add in the new feature of using points to upgrade your gear.

The downside is alts: they are hard to play with now; working on your main will take all your time. You can quite easily use them for their professions though, thanks to the new farming feature.

Worldie wrote:I wouldn't be surprised to see the rep requirement dropped from Valor gear with 5.2 and gear moved to Justice, eventually with new gear available... somehow.


What are these Justice Points you speak of? Seriously, wtb JPs. The only way I can see getting serious quantities of them is from pvp, converting from honour.
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Re: Intimidated to return?

Postby Worldie » Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:09 am

Since I farm my VPs by dungeoning I'm usually drowing in JPs >_<
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Re: Intimidated to return?

Postby Sagara » Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:12 am

Your best bet for JP is either heroics or scenarios, or yeah, honor conversion.

It does feel odd though, that JP is harder to get than Valor, especially when you're no longer in heroics.
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Re: Intimidated to return?

Postby Teranoid » Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:53 am

It would have been interesting to have all dailies past the VP cap switch to JP. There's probably some glaring technical issues with that but hey.. it's a nice idea.

At least when it comes to dailies and whatnot they realized the mistakes they made with all the gating and how it relates to not only mains but alts as well. Judging by the latest round of dev interviews it's more than likely going to change going forward. The commendation thing is a nice step forward but it still needs a lot of work imo.

Looking back at the daily quests, anything that rewards player power feels mandatory to raiders, but this has to be balanced with giving purely cosmetic rewards. There has to be enough of a reward to encourage players to do some quests, but not so much that it feels mandatory for everyone.
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Re: Intimidated to return?

Postby tlitp » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:12 am

Shyrtandros wrote:I have been gone from WoW now for probably 18 months give or take (...) What are your thoughts, feedback & personal experiences when you have left and returned to a game after such a long absence?

Shrug it off and give it a go. Resubscribing for a month should clear the waters.

Off-topic : I did giggle a bit over those 18mo. My first alt (Prot Warrior) has been inactive since late 1.11. The main (Rogue), since 3.1 was on the PTR. Then again, I'm not resurrecting anything anytime soon.
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Re: Intimidated to return?

Postby Stubblerump » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:11 pm

*sarcasm* WoW has gotten exponentially harder to play with every expac since TBC.

It's too easy. Between this site, Noxxic, and Mr Robot, all you've got to think about is smashing keys. The rep grind sucks, but most of it really is optional, unless you want the mounts or crafting patterns. The LFR gear, while 6 ilvls lower than valor, is still almost universally better itemized than the valor gear. And you can farm valor from dungeons for ilvl upgrades on LFR gear. Heroic dungeon gear and LFR gear is more than sufficient to go raid with if that's your thing.
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Re: Intimidated to return?

Postby Flex » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:24 pm

halabar wrote:I'd love to see Blizz's numbers on the amount of time spent on "alts", I imagine it's slowing way down once people hit 90 and realize how much work it will be to get them geared.


I'd imagine alts are always low at the beginning of any new expansion/patch cycle due to all focus being put on the primary play character.
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Re: Intimidated to return?

Postby Nooska » Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:26 pm

*has 4 level 90's and gearing the second character for raids now - damn missing a tank*
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Re: Intimidated to return?

Postby Flex » Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:06 am

Nooska wrote:*has 4 level 90's and gearing the second character for raids now - damn missing a tank*


All my alt playing stopped when I found out about the Rep Commendation addition in 5.1, hit 90 in Townlong with a little bit of Shado-Pan quests left so all of Dreadwastes to go. Now I'll pick it back up since I finished the 5.1 Rep on my main.
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Re: Intimidated to return?

Postby DisRuptive1 » Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:29 pm

Shyrtandros wrote:I almost get this feeling like I'll be climbing Mount Everest without any supplies. I feel intimidated to come back and try to catch up with everyone else when it comes to gear, knowledge, etc....


I had this same issue after a long hiatus (shorter than yours). My best advice is to just reactivate your account and start playing. If you run into problems ask questions here or look up stuff on WoWHead.
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Re: Intimidated to return?

Postby Thels » Tue Jan 15, 2013 4:39 am

Also, if you haven't activated your account yet, and know of any friends that still play, have them send you a scroll of resurrection. That way, you'll get an extra alt leveled to 80 (or was it 85?) with two professions maxed out.

I was also coming back for MoP, but was unaware of this scroll thing, else I'd have asked someone to use it on me.



As for the grinding dailies for rep for valor items, that's not a must. You probably should grind the Tiller dailies (center of Valley of the Four Winds) until you're exalted for the 16 farm spot, but other than that... You can spend Valor either on buying these pieces or upgrade epics from other sources. At the start you won't have any epics, but it takes 3 weeks to reach the cap. Hopefully you have at least one nice epic looted from LFR to upgrade by then.

Even if you want to buy the epics, you only get so much valor at once, so you don't need to grind them all at once. Shieldwall/Offensive (Krasarang Wilds) is probably the place to start, considering these items are slightly higher ilvl.

Note that the upgrade NPC is currently not present on the PTR, so this might no longer be an option in 5.2.

Also, if the rep items become available for JP that changes things, as there's no cap on JP, so suddenly grinding out every single daily path to revered (and Klaxxi/Golden Lotus to exalted for the quest reward) might become a good thing.

(I hope Blizzard has some mechanic in play that doesn't force new level 90s post 5.2 to grind the heck out of all the dailies, and then grind the heck out of heroics for the JP to buy these.)
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Re: Intimidated to return?

Postby twinkfist » Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:45 am

i have two 90's right now...warrior and paladin. my paladin is my main but my warrior gets some love. i have two other alts i play...86 shaman and 85 dk...i barely touch those. my shaman is my enchanter...but right now i just use him to DE stuff.

i'll maybe get around to leveling them...but right now...most of my time is spent on my warrior and paladin.

have a hunter at level 45...but i just forget to level him after running all sorts of stuff with the other toons.
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Re: Intimidated to return?

Postby Nooska » Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:07 am

Upgrading is indeed not an option in 5.2
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