patch 5.2 ?

[bldavis]

if he had the mobs to begin with, no i dont rip threat off him
if we both reach the mobs, yes i pull more aoe threat
but i am also shite geared (see sig, mortimis)

[Fenris]

I raid with a monk.At this point i just afk during trash pulls,i'd end doing nothing anyway

And then every single lfg i can do pretty much the same,unless i meet another paladin or someone that is playing really,really badly.

[Klaudandus]

GC Pally tweets of the day:
Rets and why DS/HotR hit like wet noddles
https://twitter.com/Ghostcrawler/status ... 2364016641

Holy Paladins are still somewhat OP
https://twitter.com/Ghostcrawler/status ... 9268683776

*facedesk*

Bonus:
https://twitter.com/Ghostcrawler/status ... 2815436801

[Levantine]

Well that holy paladin one might be true. It's a PvP tweet and how many of us here actually know how high level pvp works?

[Klaudandus]

Well that holy paladin one might be true. It's a PvP tweet and how many of us here actually know how high level pvp works?

I was facedesking at the lack of prot tweets

[Levantine]

Ohh, well that makes more sense. I thought it was more about the... dumbness of the tweets. Although I suppose a lot of that is due to the medium itself.

[Fenris]

From mmo-c

Item - Paladin T15 Protection 2P Bonus (New) Casting Word of Glory or Eternal Flame also grants you 40% additional block chance for 5 sec per Holy Power.
Item - Paladin T15 Protection 4P Bonus (New) You gain 1 Holy Power for each 0% of your health taken as damage while Divine Protection is active.

2p seems really strong (but then i start thinking about all the "should i put up bastion of glory or 2p-bonus" to do on the fly )
4p...Uhm....

And then on to the class changes..

Talents

Repentance now has a 1.7 sec cast time, up from 1.5 sec.


Set Bonuses

Item - Paladin PvP Set Holy 4P Bonus - Casting Flash of Light grants 1 charge of Holy Power. No longer works off of Word of Glory.

...ok,nevermind,nothing to see there

[Newsom]

So... if we can get to 62.4% avoidance and also reliably generate 3 holy power per 15 seconds we could become block capped again?

I'm already at ~50% and I'm stacking haste. Seems totally doable. I hope I miscalculated or something (or that this doesn't go live) because it sounds like some pretty boring gameplay keeping a 15 sec buff up. :/

[Worldie]

I doubt they'd let us become block capped with tier set. It would mean we'd want to stay in T15 even when the following tier is released

[Sagara]

Uh, aren't we working on a two-roll system? You'd need ~60% block to get capped, regardless of avoidance, then.

I'm just not up to date on this kind of thing, I'd rather shamelessly steal from our resident PhD :-p

[Newsom]

Oh, then it makes more sense.

[Sagara]

Oh, then it makes more sense.

Don't take my word for it - it's mostly hazy memories from Beta, coupled with our current dodge/parry/block interactions.

[Fetzie]

Isn't it 109% block+avoidance required nowadays, now that player miss is irrelevant for PvE and avoidance suppression is something like 1.5% per level difference?

[Newsom]

Someone get Theck in here to sort it out!

[Sagara]

We just need to look up our documentation. Last mention I had was in MArch, when the two-roll thingie got announed, and in August when Theck was working through the stats weights in the late Beta.

So, I'm more inclined to think we're still under the two-rolls system. So in order to block-cap, we need to hit 100% block, regardless of avoidance. Not going to happen.