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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:58 am

Worldie wrote:Am I the only one who doesn't consider speccing Holy Prism as prot a crime?


I actually specced into Holy Prism because you suggested it a while back. I just have it macroed to target me first, so it can hit all the mobs around with the damage part (unless its a single boss, in which I have it hit the boss first and heal those around me)
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Fetzie » Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:03 am

Klaudandus wrote:
Worldie wrote:Am I the only one who doesn't consider speccing Holy Prism as prot a crime?


I actually specced into Holy Prism because you suggested it a while back. I just have it macroed to target me first, so it can hit all the mobs around with the damage part (unless its a single boss, in which I have it hit the boss first and heal those around me)

I don't suppose you have that macro to hand do you? I tried Holy Prism out but found it annoying with targeting it.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Gab » Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:09 am

Worldie wrote:Am I the only one who doesn't consider speccing Holy Prism as prot a crime?


Not at all.

I really like HP on a couple of raid encounters (anything where I'm not trying to greed dps with ES or don't need LH to help with long periods of AoE healing) and sometimes for trash or dungeons.

The five target limitation is what keeps it from being in the class of something like Keg Smash for AoE threat imo.

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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Nooska » Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:15 am

On teh aoe threat, Sagara is better geared than me, and I still peel off packs even when waiting a few seconds through Outbreak and double Blood Boil (talented to spread diseases) - paladin aoe threat needs a buff, no doubt about it.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Sagara » Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:56 am

Yeah, remind everyone how much I suck :-p

For the record, it happens even while I throw Light's hammer in the pack. Even with SoR. Maybe I should spec in HP for trash >_>
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Worldie » Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:58 am

Fetzie wrote:
Klaudandus wrote:
Worldie wrote:Am I the only one who doesn't consider speccing Holy Prism as prot a crime?


I actually specced into Holy Prism because you suggested it a while back. I just have it macroed to target me first, so it can hit all the mobs around with the damage part (unless its a single boss, in which I have it hit the boss first and heal those around me)

I don't suppose you have that macro to hand do you? I tried Holy Prism out but found it annoying with targeting it.


Quite easy,
/cast [modifier:alt,@charname] Holy Prism, Holy Prism
(casts on self with alt, on target without)
/cast [modifier:alt] Holy Prism, [@charname] Holy Prism
(opposite)


Also, Light's Hammer generates no threat because the damage is attributed to the "pet" hammer.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Nooska » Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:33 am

That explains a bit ;)
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Sagara » Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:38 am

Worldie wrote:Also, Light's Hammer generates no threat because the damage is attributed to the "pet" hammer.


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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Nooska » Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:39 am

More, less or equal to not going into blood presence for Elegon?
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby JoeBravo » Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:00 pm

although I've known for 3 months that the chance of my contract getting renewed was <10%, I'm still shattered now the final word is out. I'm out of a job at the end of this month :(
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Jan 04, 2013 6:10 pm

And just like that, we lost 3 people in our raid, maybe a fourth one... guess why? because of daily burnout... they hate they have the vp but cannot spend it because the gear they need in order to squeeze something extra out of their character is behind a reputation lock...

my poor raid lead is gonna try his hardest to plug the holes somehow...
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby econ21 » Fri Jan 04, 2013 6:21 pm

Worldie wrote:Quite easy,
/cast [modifier:alt,@charname] Holy Prism, Holy Prism
(casts on self with alt, on target without)


I thought this happened with spells by default - i.e. that pressing alt and clicking the spell casts it on yourself - or is that just certain spells?
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby theckhd » Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:15 pm

Depends on what you have set as your self-cast key in the options (Interface->Combat). I have mine set to shift, for example.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby theckhd » Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:17 pm

Worldie wrote:Am I the only one who doesn't consider speccing Holy Prism as prot a crime?

It's sort of stupid to have to respec for trash and then re-respec for bosses.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:48 pm

theckhd wrote:
Worldie wrote:Am I the only one who doesn't consider speccing Holy Prism as prot a crime?

It's sort of stupid to have to respec for trash and then re-respec for bosses.


Well, I blame it on our AoE threat, or lack thereof.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Ezharon » Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:04 pm

Maybe I'm wrong but it seems to me that over 2 min HP does pretty similar damage than ES if used on CD every 20 sec (at least according to tooltips). So I don't really see the need for respec for bosses.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Newsom » Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:06 am

Just did 3 battlegrounds in a row with pretty much ONLY bots besides myself and the odd other human. It's early morning but COME ON...
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Newsom » Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:15 am

Worldie wrote:Am I the only one who doesn't consider speccing Holy Prism as prot a crime?


Holy Prism is awesome. I use it all the time when tanking 5 mans these days. It also has its uses on some boss fights (Sha of Fear, Empress...)
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Fenrìr » Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:21 am

Current guild I'm trialing in just had a GM change. I'm watching as all the new GM's friends are promoted to officer and I wonder if my trial days are numbered considering the new GM did not want to trial me to begin with.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Nooska » Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:41 am

^Ugh that sort of thing sucks.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby theckhd » Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:45 am

Ezharon wrote:Maybe I'm wrong but it seems to me that over 2 min HP does pretty similar damage than ES if used on CD every 20 sec (at least according to tooltips). So I don't really see the need for respec for bosses.

1) You're wrong. Or rather, you'd be right if we had lots of empty GCDs to play with, but if you're playing properly you don't, so the actual damage of HP over that period is reduced by the opportunity cost of extra Cons/HW casts. ES is the solid winner in the DPS category against single targets (HPr would win for 3-5 targets, I think).
2) I wasn't talking about ES. LH is extremely valuable as a raid cooldown. HPr is relatively weak for that since it's limited to 5 targets. LH is also better for AoE above 5 targets for the same reason.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Sagara » Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:52 am

So, I'm a Boss raid-survival oriented tank by choosing LH.

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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby theckhd » Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:08 am

That's generally why I take it. I also like the fact that it's a 1-minute cooldown instead of 20 seconds. Holy Prism's niche is really 5-mans, where snap aggro is important at fairly regular intervals. There are only one or two bosses where that comes into play at all.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Klaudandus » Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:03 pm

I'm in a pretty foul mood... just needed one heroic to cap the vp on my alt, go in, ran into two dps that barely pull 10k dps, but somehow feel the need they gotta rush in ahead of me, pull for me and then tell me how to tank... I just took the deserter debuff rather than deal with this shit.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby bldavis » Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:14 pm

i would just let them die and say oh i thought you wanted to give me an example of how to tank...
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