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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Paxen » Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:48 am



At least he proposes that the armed person gets training, so it's not totally brain dead.

I like Brekkie's solution better.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Passionario » Thu Dec 27, 2012 6:47 am

Shoju wrote:This wasn't evil. Mental Illness isn't "Evil". It's not the devil. It's not the fucking exorcist. It's real. It is indeed terrible, but not for the reasons that you might think.


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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Nooska » Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:55 am

And the really sad thing is that mental illness is just as physical a problem as other illnesses - its just in the brain that there is a problem, rather than in the bones in the case of a broken bone.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Dec 28, 2012 7:55 pm

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Shoju » Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:14 am

Passionario wrote:
Shoju wrote:This wasn't evil. Mental Illness isn't "Evil". It's not the devil. It's not the fucking exorcist. It's real. It is indeed terrible, but not for the reasons that you might think.


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I love this. My opinions have changed drastically over the past 6 and a half years. (since I gained custody of my son). The things that I'vew had to work through with him over his fucked up childhood has completely changed how I feel about things.

Somewhere, in between the two ideologies lampooned in this image, is a place where we can have reasonable, informed, non panic inducing dialogue about making sure that those in our society who need the help, can in fact get the help they need.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Brekkie » Sun Dec 30, 2012 12:47 pm

Passionario wrote:
Shoju wrote:This wasn't evil. Mental Illness isn't "Evil". It's not the devil. It's not the fucking exorcist. It's real. It is indeed terrible, but not for the reasons that you might think.


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While I get that sometimes people are unfairly belittling of mental illnesses, at the same time, it's not quite that simplistic.

For example, people faking a mental disorder such as panic attacks or PTSD is sadly pretty common, and oftentimes there is no real definitive way of verifying the veracity of their claimed condition because diagnosis boils down to "you tell the doctor you experience symptoms x, y, and z; the doctor believes you because why would you lie". It's not like you can run blood work to establish if someone has PTSD.

But conversely, it's kind of hard to fake having cancer.


It may not be politically correct or culturally sensitive to say it, but there are a non-zero amount of people who fake mental disorders because of either monetary incentives or because it gets them special treatment or serves as an excuse for nonperformance. You can't just brush that factor aside with plithy graphics.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Fivelives » Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:57 pm

You can test for some mental illnesses, and there is a definitive diagnostic test for PTSD, specifically.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14728092

But yeah, there are a lot of mental illnesses that can be easily faked. It's sad that people do that, but that's a mental issue in and of itself.

Either way, I'm surprised there isn't more talk here about issues like the fiscal cliff. Pretty sure the gun issue has stalemated here, at the very least.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:03 pm

It doesn't help that under the ADA rules, a guy with Dyslexia can get a handicapped parking permit...
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Sun Dec 30, 2012 5:58 pm

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Shoju » Tue Jan 01, 2013 1:56 pm

Brekkie wrote:While I get that sometimes people are unfairly belittling of mental illnesses, at the same time, it's not quite that simplistic.

For example, people faking a mental disorder such as panic attacks or PTSD is sadly pretty common, and oftentimes there is no real definitive way of verifying the veracity of their claimed condition because diagnosis boils down to "you tell the doctor you experience symptoms x, y, and z; the doctor believes you because why would you lie". It's not like you can run blood work to establish if someone has PTSD.


It's normally, a little more involved in that, and while it is common in some circumstances to fake a mental illness, there is a fair bit more to the diagnostic than telling the doctor x y and z, and they believing you.

That's belittling to those who work in the mental health field.

But conversely, it's kind of hard to fake having cancer.


To a doctor? Sure it's hard.
To the public? not really. I've seen it done, convincingly, leading someone to bilk a few thousand bucks, and lots of attention.

It may not be politically correct or culturally sensitive to say it, but there are a non-zero amount of people who fake mental disorders because of either monetary incentives or because it gets them special treatment or serves as an excuse for nonperformance. You can't just brush that factor aside with plithy graphics.


You are correct, but it's also a small amount of people. it isn't the majority. I would wager a healthy sum of money that it is in fact an incredibly small number, and using it as a reason to be skeptical is rather specious.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby bldavis » Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:00 pm

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Jan 01, 2013 10:36 pm

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:53 am

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Jan 03, 2013 4:08 pm

And tangentially related to the shootings... but only in their minds

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/03/ ... 1e68000019
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Koatanga » Thu Jan 03, 2013 4:33 pm

Klaudandus wrote:And tangentially related to the shootings... but only in their minds

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/03/ ... 1e68000019


"the National Rifle Association blamed violent entertainment for recent shootings"

... as opposed to, say, mental illness.

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