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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby halabar » Mon Dec 24, 2012 2:46 pm

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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby theckhd » Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:19 pm

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Klaudandus wrote:You should post that on the forums, or maybe PM Ghostcrawler, now that he's on twitter ^_~

What good would that do? I'm sure he's more than aware that it's a net DPS nerf at high AP.


I think he's hoping no one notices that.


I don't think he's that naive. Especially for paladin changes.
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby Fetzie » Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:45 pm

theckhd wrote:
Klaudandus wrote:You should post that on the forums, or maybe PM Ghostcrawler, now that he's on twitter ^_~

What good would that do? I'm sure he's more than aware that it's a net DPS nerf at high AP.

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The self heal from Seal of Insight will trigger approximately 33% more often.

Wut?


This is more interesting to me. With a 2.6-speed weapon, a 15-PPM effect such as SoI had a proc chance of 15*2.6/60=0.6500 = 65%.

Does "33% more often" mean that it's now 15*1.33 = 20 PPM, and thus an 86.67% proc chance? Or does it mean that they turned it from a 65% proc chance into a 100% proc chance on hit?

Should be easy to test, I'll post something in the CTA thread. Basically attack a dummy 100 times with auto-attacks. The chance of seeing no misses in 100 attacks with an 86.67% proc rate is 0.000061218%.


I attacked a dummy with auto-attack for a minute and saw two or three non-proccs. I also sent GC one of those tweet message things about the cons change being a nerf to damage when you have some vengeance.
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Dec 24, 2012 5:14 pm

theckhd wrote:
Klaudandus wrote:I think he's hoping no one notices that.

I don't think he's that naive. Especially for paladin changes.


No, but he can be very stubborn in that he's right even if your math proves otherwise...
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby Sagara » Tue Dec 25, 2012 1:58 am

I'd say paranoid - If I were him I'd also suspect *anyone* that is trying to get a change to have an agenda.
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby Passionario » Tue Dec 25, 2012 2:17 am

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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby Paxen » Tue Dec 25, 2012 3:42 am

Passionario wrote:Welcome to Zul'duar!



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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Dec 25, 2012 5:40 am

Sagara wrote:I'd say paranoid - If I were him I'd also suspect *anyone* that is trying to get a change to have an agenda.
I guss that's life in IT :-p


I still think there is a fear element of Theck's math prowess =P
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby Nooska » Tue Dec 25, 2012 7:35 am

I think Theck has a better backgound for doing math than most of he devs put together ;-)
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Dec 25, 2012 7:37 am

Nooska wrote:I think Theck has a better backgound for doing math than most of he devs put together ;-)


Precisely why I think a little nudge might prove useful.
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby Nooska » Tue Dec 25, 2012 9:07 am

Klaudandus wrote:
Nooska wrote:I think Theck has a better backgound for doing math than most of he devs put together ;-)


Precisely why I think a little nudge might prove useful.


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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby fuzzygeek » Tue Dec 25, 2012 10:32 am

Klaudandus wrote:
theckhd wrote:
Klaudandus wrote:I think he's hoping no one notices that.

I don't think he's that naive. Especially for paladin changes.


No, but he can be very stubborn in that he's right even if your math proves otherwise...


What makes you think this nerf isn't fully intentional?
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Dec 25, 2012 10:53 am

fuzzygeek wrote:What makes you think this nerf isn't fully intentional?


Nerf the tank with the worst AoE?
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Yeah yeah, its a decent buff at lower AP levels... And yeah, I'm being facetious
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby Sagara » Tue Dec 25, 2012 11:25 am

Well, I expect we will get at least a shorthand version of the reason behind the change.
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby theckhd » Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:29 pm

It's not exactly a huge nerf. And remember, it's a buff at low Vengeance, which is the common situation you'll be at on pulls or picking up adds. It was probably done to try and help improve those situations without buffing our steady-state DPS.
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